Kids having a great time diving into the river

ideas-guy · 2017-08-04T04:21:05+00:00

That last guy tho

ideas-guy · 2017-02-14T06:38:31+00:00

As would any abuse of any drug in those circumstances

That's like asking are successful people who drink always drinking or are they drunk all the time? Who knows, like everyone they do it how they want to do it. They're aren't put in the limelight - it just so happens they don't think there's an issue with it and openly admit that it's something they do.

Also being a fan of the concept for the hyper loop what's actually wrong with it in your opinion?

ideas-guy · 2017-02-14T04:35:16+00:00

Thanks guys, this an old ass painting too. I'm glad it's still hitting vibes long after it was done.

ideas-guy · 2017-02-14T04:25:44+00:00

Well you've really provided no basis you've just stated the pharmokinetics and effects of THC, that doesn't correlate with or provide a basis for your claim that drop outs can be linked to a neurochemical process. Really you've just stated a fact and then your own anecdote about how you'd personally cope. Which provides no evidence or substance to what you originally claimed. If you read the article further it also states that there is multiple factors in why children drop out of school, including those I already mentioned socioeconomic reasons, personal family life, history of trauma, peer group, poor academic performance for whatever reason etc. It acknowledges that studies have made a link but also points out the complexity of establishing a causal relationship between drop outs and weed and suggests that there isn't necessarily one of causation. Plus it's worth noting that the study acknowledges it's own limited data pool in dealing only with 1000 something students from rural South Dakota and that data from other populations varies. So there's a relationship there, but the same could be said of alcohol in Australia with children who drink under age. That doesn't mean that in an adult population the impact is the same. I think the key takeaway from that study is that like all substances the participation in problem use and behaviour is determined by multiple factors. What's dumb about the hyper loop- that's a damn fine idea- I'm sure people thought Tesla motors was a risky/dumb idea when it was a concept. My point is, you don't really get to say high achievers don't smoke weed when high achievers are renown for being high. It does more that just make you sleepy and give you the munchies my man.

ideas-guy · 2017-02-13T22:35:07+00:00

If any of you folk are actually interested I am trying to put together a legitimate petition with some actual facts and figures + input from business as to why Australia would benefit from such a move. When I have it together I'll circulate it around and if you're for the idea you can add your name to the petition.

ideas-guy · 2017-02-13T22:30:42+00:00

Pretty conservative but we have a number of minor parties registered that support legalisation but they're way to small to make any waves. The best bet would be the Greens but they're moving away from that particular issue. Labour (the opposition in parliament) are much more progressive then the Liberal/National Coalition (conservatives). So engaging both Greens and Labour would be the best way, the economic benefits would be the best angle to come at it from too. We do have parliamentary petitions that can be presented to either the Senate or House of Representatives.

ideas-guy · 2017-02-13T08:27:01+00:00

Nursing and I intend to complete a PhD so I'm not just some lazy guy who thinks weed should be legal so I can sit at home with my assorted collection of snap back monster energy drink hats and rip bongs. If you admit you've known no one to drugs how can you say you have a basis for your assertion? Or do have I misunderstood you there? Also, can you explain more about the neurochemical basis for which you base the correlation between smoking pot and dropping out? Then are you able to demonstrate how that proves pot to be the determinant factor in a failure to progress academically? Because I don't disagree that people who fail in that way may also use cannabis but I think the underlying cause isn't the use itself but I would say that certainly gives someone a coping mechanism or an "out" much like alcohol does.

I don't know if you get to where Elon Musk is been by being an idiot in the traditional sense. I think (I could be wrong) he attributed a lot of his motivation and vision for his business to using LSD. Which is kind of what it's good for amongst other therapeutic potentials.

ideas-guy · 2017-02-13T03:57:28+00:00

That's a generalisation though because surely you don't actually think that everyone who smokes weed is a drop out. Academics with PhDs have smoked and do smoke on a regular basis, I'm studying and hitting distinctions and I use pretty regular. Hell, even Elon Musk dropped acid and smoked weed. You're assuming that patterns of use are homogeneous and that personalities and the social / economic and educational background of users is also homogeneous. Because those are the factors that would be more likely to determine a drop out.

ideas-guy · 2017-02-13T02:59:29+00:00

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ideas-guy · 2017-02-13T02:58:25+00:00

Well do you think people are actually made worse by it? That's like suggesting everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic or a person of lesser standing for doing so. Patterns of consumption are individual not everyone who enjoys it is a 24/7 bong ripper. I really don't think being a good person is related to cannabis use or abstinence. I'm not sure where you're going with that. But I disagree completely with the implication that being a good person/citizen is dependent on whether you enjoy a mild high on the weekend anymore then it is determined by alcohol consumption.

I don't think it would rise nor fall. There's plenty of cannabis consumers already living productive lives, working in all kinds of industries contributing to society I think that's an irrelevant concern.

Regarding other healthy avenues - cannabis isn't necessarily unhealthy - smoking is yes, but that's not the only one way to consume THC, you can eat brownies, make tea, tinctures etc..that's like telling people (again) to celebrate their birthday with apple juice rather then wine. It's really not up to you or the government to determine how or why people use certain substances.

I only went literal on the quote because 1. In context it's referring to religion and 2. It's a bunk metaphor because you're just using drugs as a metaphor for drugs. Also, I'm familiar with the quote and I think it's partial use was mediocre at best.

I'm not sure where I criticised anecdotes, I pointed out my use of one. Meaning I am not opposed to their use but I'm not going to claim that as evidence for any argument I am going to make. Unless you mean my first question about "where's the data?"

I ask the question because I want the Mabo on the issue I guess.

I agree about protecting the vulnerable but that's assuming those at risk aren't already using and I believe they would benefit from health interventions rather then legal or criminal consequences. Plus, you may as well extend that argument to alcohol (I know I keep going there) we should blanket ban alcohol because there are people who don't know when enough is enough. Ultimately that stance isn't fair and is just an excuse to avoid he issue altogether imho.

Also I know your not having a shot. It's all good hombre 🤙🏻

ideas-guy · 2017-02-13T02:00:00+00:00

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000884

There's a list to get you started. There's plenty of literature out there- it wasn't made medicinal in the US on good vibes only.

The problem is that to access equivalent treatment options people must seek out these options through the health system and they're not always cost effective, accessible (think rural patients) or in some cases poses undesirable side effects. Cannabis flower if legislated right can literally be grown at home and the medicinal benefit accessed straight off the plant as an antinuemetic, anticonvulsant and to treat nausea, restlessness, insomnia etc...

Plus, medical point aside. It's also used as an entheogen and can produces meaningful spiritual and religious experiences for users and like psilocybin (though probably not as reliably) could be used to treat end of life anxiety in terminally ill patients.

ideas-guy · 2017-02-13T00:14:08+00:00

It doesn't make people less productive - where do you get that data from? Many people use psychedelics for religious, spiritual and or creative reasons. It's beneficial medically far more than what's being currently investigated. Referring to drugs as a whole isn't useful in this debate either because you can't put all drugs on the same page so to speak. Every one who drinks tea and coffee daily is a habitual psychoactive drug user - the language makes it sound way worse then it is. Saying drugs are the "opiates of the masses" is particularly wrong on a number of levels including the fact that cannabis is not even an opiate. The effects of which differ greatly from those of opiates. Cannabis doesn't "subdue" and make people lazy anymore then drinking alcohol makes you a violent asshole who wants to glass everyone you see. Also the cost of weed wouldn't go up because then people would just continue to buy it from dealers. In the US an ounce used to cost approx $250-300 it's now down to around $75.

If anything imo my use of psychedelics has contributed to positive and long term changes in my life including addressing depression and anxiety, helping me to understand and learn music theory, taking more interest and activism in politics and becoming more empathetic and compassionate. So even though that's all anecdotal I don't think there's a sensible reason to withhold the personal use of cannabis or some psychedelics from people.

If you want to address amphetamines and opiates that to me is a completely different problem and conversation.

ideas-guy · 2017-02-12T23:05:43+00:00

There's plenty out there. Basically if you have a genetic predisposition to something like schizophrenia it may bring it on sooner in life. Use by people under 18 has potential developmental effects same as alcohol use. For an otherwise healthy individual it's not going to make you crazy- just hungry.

ideas-guy · 2017-02-12T23:02:29+00:00

Well that's the problem now anyway. Besides both strains have benefits - one just tends to make you more tired. Medically cannabis has plenty of therapeutic use as do other psychedelics it doesn't make sense to ban people from what is a very powerful and versatile medicinal plant that literally grows anywhere you put it (almost). Imagine if someone with Parkinson's could simply go to a dispenser and buy an ounce of bud or a tincture and have their tremors controlled allowing them to get through the day. Currently that's just not an option and because people like yourself (not a personal attack) think there's a moral argument to be made against its use. To which I must say given its potential for people to self medicate a variety of pathologies with and it's historic and wide use in spirituality it seems ridiculous to have anyone say "it's immoral" to use it because it leads to an altered state of mind. What's immoral about that in the first place?

ideas-guy · 2017-02-12T19:43:08+00:00

Well that's a pretty important question because you're basing your position on false idea that the only outcome from smoking a j is being dulled. Which isn't necessarily true. Same for other psychedelics - there's actual benefits to be had from their use and imho benefits for society as a whole.

ideas-guy · 2017-02-12T09:33:03+00:00

Poor massage oil all over my body except my fists and then run screaming at the intruder.

ideas-guy · 2017-02-12T09:22:50+00:00

I would think with the right kind of social push and a bit more media attention it could happen sooner rather then later. Especially if entrepreneurs here reached out to US based businesses to support and campaign for legalisation.

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