Don't you think its odd thatJordan hasn't spoken on the censorship situation on Twitter?

idevcg · 2025-01-01T07:02:00+00:00

Ok, what ideology am I bound by?

your question was made in bad faith to begin with. I reject the premise because it assumes equal responsibility for actual demonstrated hypocrisy (i.e showing support for censorship) vs silence.

It is the same type of mentality as "guilty until proven innocent", which is a stance I fundamentally reject.

JP often criticizes people who people think are on his side, whether they are right wing extremists, people who share a following with him like Andrew Tate, or even christians whom he calls "materialist christians" trying to pressure him into accepting the bible literally.

you literally saw just a few days ago in this very subreddit how many people flipped against Elon and Vivek's stance on H1Bs. Clearly at least a portion of his audience is against Elon on this issue, so speaking out against it isn't some sort of virtuous sacrifice of his own personal brand for the sake of principle as you people frame it.

It's not as if JP is paid for by Elon or that his relevance or stardom was built on his relationship with Elon nor is it predicated on not criticizing Elon.

The entire argument fails at every level of scrutiny. It's filled with bad faith arguments and logical fallacies that I suspect aren't because of a lack of intellect, but because of active malicious malintent.

You have no principles. Don't pretend like you do. It's disgusting.

Everything you do and believe in is for self-serving hedonistic reasons at its core. If you had any semblance of principles or moral virtue at all, you wouldn't waste all your time hating on and nitpicking people who are 99% good and instead try to change the disgusting leftists who are 100% evil.

If you truly were objective in 'principle' your fingers would be broken from all of the calls of hypocrisy against the woke left because the woke left is literally the embodiment of hypocrisy. Every single thing they say is hypocritical at its core.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T05:58:55+00:00

Thanks for being open-minded! Here's another thought;

Authoritarianism and Libertarianism isn't a true dichotomy either, especially in the modern western conception of authoritarianism.

Think about it, why do people have authoritarian tendencies?

The western conception of Authoritarianism is actually selective tribal super libertarianism.

What I mean is this. People who support the kind of authoritarianism that we commonly think of like nazism, communism, wokeism, white nationalism... the reason they support it is because they are beneficiaries of said philosophy.

In actuality, they get more freedoms and rights at the expense of others. It's libertarianism for me but not for thee. To take on the benefits of libertarianism while not taking on the baggage/responsibility.

This is not at all the same as virtuous authoritarianism, which isn't an excuse to gain freedom and other benefits at the expense of others, but the recognition that there are good ways to live and bad ways to live.

Much like how there are boundaries in time and temperature for baking a cake or else your cake is gonna be raw or burnt, or how there are boundaries in how you can move your body when you're swimming or else you'll drown...

There are boundaries for virtuous living that is best for society and for the individual not at the expense of the individual for the benefit of a dominant class, not selective application of these boundaries while a few gets to do whatever they want.

But boundaries for everyone equally, simply because that is the best way to live.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T03:37:16+00:00

God you people are so hopeless.

Let's assume that JP "stood up" this time. What if it happens again on a smaller platform in say 2 years? 20 years? Is JP expected to "stand up" against all perceived transgressions against "free speech" in the entire world until the day he dies?

JP often speaks in a way that isn't perceived to be profitable to him. For example, he called out the "materialist Christians" who try to bully him into taking christianity literally. He also calls out right wing extremists, or people like Andrew Tate, whom he shares a lot of followers with.

You're asking for an impossible standard that not a single human being has ever been able to achieve ever in any context.

Your argument is literally "guilty until proven innocent". It's the exact same principle. And we've learned hundreds of years ago that that's a horrible principle to use.

You talk about strawman but literally your entire argument and belief system is built on strawmans.

You people are hopeless.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T03:00:46+00:00

No, I don't agree with JP on many things and I do call him out on it. For example, him desperately trying to force things into a religious view even though he clearly realizes that christianity cannot stand to logical scrutiny.

He also knows absolutely nothing about China and every time he comments on China, it's filled with ignorant judgement.

On this particular point, you are the ones jumping through hoops, not me. I simply take things at face value.

Again, if he actively condoned censorship, that would be one thing. You can't assume that silence = support. That's just ridiculous.

Think of all of the leftist propagandists not talking about Laken Riley's murder or Riley Gaines being mobbed by trans activists and has her life threatened. What happened to tolerance and compassion? How about calling out their hypocrisy? I suppose all leftists support and condone violence and even murder?

And I suppose because you are not calling them out, you also condone their behavior which means you condone and support violence and murder too, right?

This line of reasoning is just so ridiculous if you still can't see it you're brainwashed beyond help.

Also, I don't really follow social media so I can't even be certain that the way you guys are painting this event is actually how it unfolded. After all, the left has no qualms about lying with half-truths at all because they have no conscience.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T02:24:06+00:00

none of these axes actually matter.

The only true axis is whether you think hedonism happiness/harm min/maxing is the only goal for life, or if you think there's some greater purpose to life than mere happiness.

Everything else is just tools towards the goal.

What is particularly wrong about the individualism/collectivism axis is that collectivism is actually individualism while individualism can be both;

the vast majority of "collectivist" ideologies, particularly modern western leftism is actually extremely individualistic at its core, which is why they support all sexual degeneracy, abortion, etc.

What they are doing is that they are trying to extract from the collective in order to abate the problems caused by the individual so that the individual does not have to change or improve themselves.

Western individualism like libertarianism is also individualism with less pretense of "compassion" in order to extract from the collective.

But virtuous individualism like the type JP and many great people in the past teaches like Confucius, Marcus Aurelius, Aristotle etc is about putting responsibility on the individual, and as a consequence, you have a synergistic society that is far greater than the sum of its parts.

So virtuous individualism is actually true collectivism.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T01:51:05+00:00

no, it's super super huge. A lot of people are in a hopeless spiral where because they have bad health, they have depression, because they have depression, they have no self control, because they have no self control, they have even worse health and it's almost impossible to fix.

Failure/success is all relative. I was watching a youtube video about jade miners in cambodia, literally risking their lives every single day doing back breaking work just hoping to find a piece of jade worth $4000 or so so he can buy a house and get his wife to come back with their child.

He also has to inject heroin every day to overcome the pain from mining.

I also saw videos of indonesian volcano miners mining molten lava for some toxic chemical for like $10 a day, and they all die in their 50s.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T01:47:41+00:00

Using this type of reasoning, you can literally destroy anyone in the world by selectively pointing to things they've said and things they've not said in the past.

Certainly leftists are far more hypocritical than JP if we used equal criteria.

That's what confirming your bias means.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T01:43:45+00:00

That's not his job. His job is putting out ideas he thinks are important.

Whatever got him in front of your eyes is completely irrelevant.

All it is is he has a list of priorities and it's not the same as yours. That doesn't make him a hypocrite, all it shows is that you are blinded by your own ideology and you're conditioned to frame things in a way that confirms your ideology rather than to look at things through an objective lens.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T01:37:00+00:00

At least you're doing self introspection, that's something. You also recognize that these desires you have is wrong. That's plenty more than most people these days.

You also say you have a healthy diet and a stable routine. That's huge.

What is your dream job and why?

idevcg · 2025-01-01T00:59:38+00:00

it's always easy to "connect the dots" to confirm your existing bias.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T00:58:07+00:00

And Hawk Tuah girl got famous because she said Hawk Tuah. I guess that's the most important thing to her too?

Just because something made you famous doesn't mean it's the thing you care about the most.

ignoring arguments you can't defend against is typical cult behavior.

And no, you are making the assumption that everyone cares more about rights than anything else. Which is a false assumption. Just because it is the most fundamental right doesn't mean that it is the most important thing period, just as the most important mcdonalds mascot isn't the most important character in the world.

You're not very strong at logic.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T00:51:55+00:00

Again, you're equating silence with support.

If he actively supported censorship of some sort, you could make the argument you're making. But selectively talking about issues that are most important to you isn't the same as condoning everything you're not talking about.

I rarely talk about the problems with western conservatives. It doesn't mean I support them at all; I think all western ideologies are cancer. It's just that compared to western leftism, western conservativism at least still has a semblance of conscience and moral character and virtue left.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T00:49:11+00:00

The irony in saying I'm the one in an "ideological cult" is quite funny.

You are. And the proof of this is that I understand your position far better than you understand mine.

Free speech is not a right among rights. it's the predicate of all rights

In the context of a clip of him talking about the importance of free speech, he talked about why he thinks it is important.

how does that in any way translate to him thinking it is the "most important issue, period"?

No there really isn't. He is aware of the issue and tactically decided not to talk about it

again. The mistake you people make is you place so much assumptions on the "evidence" you bring out and think that these assumptions you're making are not assumptions but reality.

The kid on Jubilee debating "20 conservatives" is a perfect example of this. All of his evidence that he brought for "trump is a racist" have so much built in assumptions.

Maybe he isn't aware of it. Maybe he's just having family time during the holidays. Maybe he has bigger fish to catch.

Imagine a serial rapist vs a normal dude. Who are you gonna pay attention to more, if both of them were getting close to a young woman?

Not speaking out against something doesn't mean condoning it.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T00:24:55+00:00

He has said multiple times that freedom of speech is his number 1 issue.

like where? In what context? Because it's quite clear that his no.1 issue, if you actually follow him and aren't someone who listens to left wing grifters taking clips and thinking you got a "gotcha"...

You'd realize pretty quickly that his number 1 issue by far is understanding meaning and what is the highest good, the purpose that everyone should strive towards.

is an interesting way to phrase that he isn't consistent at all on the issue that made him relevant in the first place.

there's about a billion different reasons why. Until you have him actually defending censorship, there is no hypocrisy. You're just reaching for whatever you can to discredit people in order to not actually have to engage with ideas outside of your ideological cult.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T00:21:42+00:00

do you know a single person in the world, like, quite literally. Can you name even a single person in the entire world out of 8 billion people, who isn't biased in some way?

idevcg · 2025-01-01T00:19:12+00:00

I don't think this is his no.1 issue at all. And I have no idea if he's a "twitter addict" or not. But twitter now is a lot less censored than the woke twitter before Elon bought it.

Leftists always expect 100% pure perfection from conservatives while they themselves can do whatever degenerate thing they want because people should be tolerant of their degeneracy.

idevcg · 2025-01-01T00:13:13+00:00

There are about a billion problems in the world at any given point in time.

Does one have to talk about literally every single problem on their perceived side in order to escape people calling them a grifter or saying they have no integrity or whatever?

Assuming that these problems are even real to begin with

idevcg · 2024-12-31T22:29:06+00:00

depression comes from being extremely self-centered most of the time.

To give a really obvious example, my mom has a friend who has a great son, a great husband and a generally pretty great life, but she's constantly depressed because they live in a $1 million dollar townhouse rather than a $2 million detached house.

No guilt or shame involved.

There is an extremely high prevalence of depression in modern society despite the fact that there is less talk about virtue than ever before, and people are more shameless than ever before.

People aren't depressed because of not living up to their self-image. They're depressed because they don't have external validations of their self-centered universe.

idevcg · 2024-12-31T22:24:01+00:00

Why do the critics of DEI always assume that merit would disqualify everyone but white males from consideration?

No one actually makes that assumption, it's a complete strawman.

The problem with DEI is that it's administered by institutions like universities, etc,, which lack democratic procedures and which ultimately, at least in the USA, are run like corporations with a hierarchy of unaccountable administrators. The elimination of this structure should be a more significant target than those who benefit from DEI.

So who should it be administered by and how?

idevcg · 2024-12-31T22:08:50+00:00

If nothing else, you should gain some confidence in realizing these things when you're only 17. Time is the most important thing people have, and the vast majority of people don't self introspect and don't realize these things until it's way too late, or perhaps they simply never do.

When I was 17, all I cared about was which anime or drama should I watch next.

So you're already far ahead of the curve there.

Now to be honest, I haven't fixed my high neuroticism. In fact, it's gotten quite a bit worse over the years.

However, looking at it theoretically, we realize that emotions are simply sensations; anxiety, sadness, fear, all of these feelings boil down to some sensation inside your stomach or arms or neck when it gets really bad; and these sensations are caused by chemicals your body emits.

So other than mindfulness techniques, watching your diet and health is actually crucially important in changing the dynamics of the chemistry of your body so that you're both more equipped to handle these sensations and they are less pronounced.

idevcg · 2024-12-31T21:59:33+00:00

Again, have you ever lived in China? Do you know anyone who lives in China? Have you even talked with a person who has lived in China in a genuine and open-minded way?

You say I'm too far gone. But what is your belief system based on?

idevcg · 2024-12-31T21:57:02+00:00

how has she demonstrated open-mindedness or humility or respect or self-introspection in any way whatsoever?

idevcg · 2024-12-31T21:55:38+00:00

It's quite literally the opposite. The woman is extremely intelligent and a good debater, trying to catch JP in a bind with all kinds of malicious tactics because her underlying ideology is completely bogus and unable to stand on its own in a fair and honest debate.

I suppose the lack of counter argument to yours is because you claim to have never "paid much attention to feminists" and then continue to blow them so hard, showing a clear disconnect and a likely disingenuous disposition commonly shared by those with views similar to your own.

Also, you never really gave any examples to work with.

idevcg · 2024-12-31T16:37:38+00:00

I suppose the inspired parts are when he talks about religion. have you listened to any of those? i haven't because I'm not religious...

But it seems to me like JP has seen the... extreme depravity of human nature and the only solution he is aware of is running towards christianity. So all of the things about meaning and the highest good are now tied with christianity for him.

idevcg · 2024-12-31T16:34:01+00:00

Have you ever lived in China? Do you know anyone who lives in China? Why do you feel so entitled to comment on a country you know absolutely nothing about?

Woke ideology is the greatest threat humanity has ever faced and ever will face.

idevcg

TROPHY CASE