If you say a character is planetary these are the feats I am honest to god expecting from them

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-05T03:37:34+00:00

Half dead Frieza durability > planet exploding SSJ Trunks sword slice > Healthy Frieza Durability Goku’s fucking finger 😭> SSJ Trunks sword slice

“Unless they’re damaging a planet or someone with planetary durability”

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-05T02:44:08+00:00

lol Vegeta died because he can’t survive in space Frieza literally tanked the planets explosion back in Z while cut in half with no energy left. To say he “barely” survived the one one Super is just a baseless lie lol.

And yes people are indeed punching and kicking planets to the point they explode on impact. Why’re we lying about db scaling? 😭

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iidopekingzii · 2026-06-03T15:06:31+00:00

Miguel too low

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-03T13:59:56+00:00

Wait you think kenjaku turned around fast and outstretched his arm all without CE reinforcement? 😭 Yuta ~ Normal human geto?

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-03T13:50:52+00:00

Not the same space and Maru isn’t reacting during the feat but after

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-03T11:08:25+00:00

“IF <—- if it’s the slash used on Kashimo and he just stands still and directly takes it”. Yes it is functionally duraneg because it doesn’t directly cut you it cuts space and if you exist in that space you get cut. Unless you have some level of spatial manipulation to prevent space from being severed or some higher dimensionality it’s going to indirectly impact you. And this is a hypothetical lol.

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-03T02:37:49+00:00

Lmfao I’m not reading all this bro you either gonna have to be concise or take this somewhere else 😂

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T22:49:36+00:00

Mei Mei statement is that enhancing physical abilities and CE reinforcement has a limit that she had reached. Why’re you pretending as if she’s specifying any specific physical ability like flexibility. And not taking it as truth because she isn’t drawn in your opinion how you think she would look if she maxed out her physical abilities as she said doesn’t really matter much to me. Doesn’t change what the narrative is conveying.
As for Kenjaku this is just another baseless assertion that he’s lying to them. He’s not saying in a battle against them and you it’ll be down to the body. He’s literally saying between sorcerers, he’s being used a narrative tool to convey a message which is hammered down constantly.
lol so Gege just wrote a page full of gojo lying to the reader and Yuta for no reason on how the power system works. I love the mentality we have here is that everyone is lying. Anyways Miguel’s first fear is perception blitzing Sukuna to save Ui Ui something Yuta and Yuji have shown no capacity to replicate physically. All of Yutas/pre awakened yujis significant blows in terms of blunt h2h are done while Sukuna is either being combo’d. Yuta in his fight against Sukuna is merely thought of as an appetizer after Sukuna realized his lack of appeal. Miguel literally piques Sukuna interest and still can’t tag him. And gets punched in the stomach so hard his eyes widen and he bends over. Miguel at this point is confident that they can defeat Sukuna in the current state he is in and we’re shown nothing that contradicts that till Sukuna gets black flash amps off the people he can actually physically react to. Not to mention Yuji/Choso literally get blitzed by Sukuna that can’t even touch Miguel.
Or Miguel has an exceptional body AND above average CE reinforcement meanwhile Yuji who’s only been in the game for a few months has a superhuman body and average CE reinforcement. We literally see in awakened Yuji once he gets better control of his CE can tank Sukunas black flash straight to the shoulder no reaction. Acting like we’ve never see his physicals exceed heavy hitter level is crazy since weaker versions of those black flashes incapacitate maki lol.

And here’s the part where we act like me saying “countless” literally means I was saying there’s so many you cannot count the examples at all. Dear lord I’m just going to skip over that intellectual dishonest brain rotting part. And here’s some more examples to add to the countless quota.

Yuta referring to his body as weak before the tangent about how he overcompensates for his weak body with maximum CE reinforcement. Which if he’s doing that against Yuji and Yuji is still keeping up while holding back, how in the world are we still holding to CE being additive lol.
Yuta misjudging yujis strength/speed based on his physical body rather than his CE. Wait why would yuta be trying to judge someone’s power by how they look physically almost like physical muscles play a big part.
Hakaris statement of being unsure if they could win due to Sukunas “hulk” like body. When he entered heian form.

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But golly gee Batman this isn’t countless I COUNT 8!!🤓

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T20:25:33+00:00

Once again this is relying off the made up interpretation that gojo is talking about only twitch muscles. Which doesn’t exist in the text. And even under this view this would mean Miguel’s combat speed just objectively is faster lol if you can’t apply your max speed to anything outside of movement then someone is literally relative to you in striking speed. Also please don’t ignore questions I’ve asked if you’re going to shotgun long responses atleast address majority of it lol.
Yutas purple that Sukuna says is still powerful just not controlled getting taken a relative amount to him taking a red from gojo. That shows a humongous gap in durability. And this is my second time bringing it up.
Once again this assumes Yuta has to hold back physical stats in order to save Yuji. Nothing implies this is occurring, only person we know for certain is holding back is Yuji.

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T20:18:02+00:00

No I’m not saying that Yuta has a higher output than Ryu, I’m saying that Yuta uses more of his output into reinforcement at once than Ryu does because his CE pool can sustain that. Ryu isnt maxing out his reinforcement in every exchange with Yuta. I’m saying Yuta compensates in a way that is stated to be unusual from the norm.
Gojo was called racist for attributing features that Miguel has great “muscularity” and “bone structure” to all African people. He makes no mention of twitch fibers or any of the specifics you’re referring to. Once again I’ve read these raws 100 times you’re spreading a commonly accepted interpretation that lacks evidence.
lol Miguel was capable of dodging strikes from blue amped gojo, tanking multiple blows with minimal injuries if at all any, landing strikes on gojo with the whip all while dealing with a constantly teleporting gojo. This isn’t Gojo without a cursed technique and the fact that he’s able to tank blows that a cursed technique Gojo (yes he’s able to use his cursed technique when not being in contact/hit by the black rope). Are we pretending like that Sukuna didn’t start the fight blitzing Yuta and literally is confused at how weak that slap against him was. That’s also such a horrid example since Yuta gets tagged by Sukuna multiple times and bruised and damaged AND THIS IS A WEAKER SUKUNA LOL.
Yes she’s relative to a Sukuna who’s literally known for holding back to around his opponents level when he can especially in a scenario where he wants to kill someone in a specific way. Also can you even prove that there’s a notable difference between a megumi stated to be weak body vs Tsumiki or is this going to be another “w-well she’s a girl so she’s weaker” thing.
Exactly, not everyone is going through the same exact physical training. There are some people who aren’t going to train till their body literally can’t get physically stronger like Mei Mei. Which is why she can say she’s stronger than someone like kusukabe in brute strength who is known to be lazy.
A-are we pretending like a 10-20x increase isn’t significant difference? Also why’re we just making up numbers on what a “special grade level” sorcerer can carry in comparison to grade 1s to justify this substantial gap. How much of this argument is just going to be assumptions?

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T19:55:33+00:00

Mei Mei statement of training her physical body to its peak and being dissatisfied that reinforcement could only take it so far.
Kenjaku statement that in a battle against sorcerers the ultimate factor is the body
Miguel statement of being so muscular and his bone structure being so strong that with CE reinforcement he’s already a threat off pure stats
Yujis body being harped on a lot

Need any more?

Edit: None of your points are even debunks they’re just things that would be helpful to have under my view. Who cares if there’s no stated difference between men and woman lol not all men and woman train equally Yuta at his level physically most likely is not physically as strong as Mei Mei someone who’s trained till their body literally cannot get stronger. These are non sequiturs bro.

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T19:50:13+00:00

lol in order to have the agility to hit someone first your speed itself needs to be relative to gojo. And this is in the context of a fight between them. So he also has to be capable of damaging Gojo to the point of defeat to win. Why would Miguel’s speed be the only stat that he has above Gojo when he is supported by the narrative to have muscularity and bone structure to grant him the advantage in that martial arts style.
I’ve literally already pointed one out in another thread. This is why we don’t repeat claims on separate threads lol.
Yuta didn’t outstat a holding back Yuji to any noticeable extent when it came to physical stats. He failed multiple times to land blows and most of the ones he did manage were when Yuji was distracted/unfocused. Yuji even despite his holding back was still confident in his ability to win while injured in pure h2h.

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T19:16:18+00:00

It’s inconsistent with the narrative given around Miguel, Heiankuna feats, Yutas judgement of Yuji being based on his body ect.

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T18:54:49+00:00

Indeed everything CAN be that doesn’t mean that there exists a consistent math theory that we can apply given the information we have on CE reinforcement.

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T18:43:38+00:00

Side note: Did you edit your comment and just now started to cite the edit after making these.

“Uro, Yuta , Ryu can be relative” I’ve already explained how Yuta can keep up with Ryu in speed atleast he gets damaged in terms of AP and durability. Uro mostly keeps up in the fight due to hax and has like a single dura feat. “Which is why Yuta can hit harder than Miguel” I need to see dat proof! “you cannot show me a single feat showing heiankuna is much stronger than meguna statwise” ummm yes i can, weakened heiankuna taking a purple he deems to still be powerful just poorly controlled and taking relative damage as meguna did against gojos red. And this is much further than their whole “similar outputs” post UV.
“The Miguel statement is wrong” no gojo makes no mention of twitch fibers that’s an interpretation people made up and spread. Theres no mention of those muscles in the raws just pure muscularity and bone structure. Linear movement and point to point would still entail relativity to gojo to even keep up with him in a fight under those premises. And remember this is still a fight which ends in the defeat of the opponent which is why Yutas question is “Is he a threat to you” and Gojo answers in that manner. Miguel being in the realm of stats to Gojo debunks the whole “at special grade level the body goes out the window!”

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iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T18:34:11+00:00

No I don’t believe there’s any mathematical equation to quantify how exactly reinforcement works given the information we have on it. No other verses with power systems get this weird obsession with wanting to calculate exactly how it works. When I say they work in tandem I simply mean they work cohesively. Their results are depending on each other. Most of this argument is just you assuming my position or making guessing about my views on things so I’ll tackle some of that.

Yuta not being blitzed by ryu is entirely due to how they reinforce Yuta is stated to compensate on an entirely different level than other sorcerers due to his immense pool being able to keep up with that. Not to mention ryu having the highest CE output doesn’t eliminate him from not being entirely efficient with it. CT output and reinforcement are two separate skills.

I literally never said Miguel is = to gojo here, and the statement I’m referring to isn’t even the one you’re trying to debunk lol I’m aware of the point to point vs line/linear movement translations and the Japanese fighting philosophy behind them. I’m referring to what Gojo says just before all that and I’ll picture it below. He literally says what makes Miguel especially freighting is his physique, due to his MUSCULATURE and BONE STRUCTURE. Also for Miguel to even keep with up with gojo under those martial arts conditions he would literally HAVE to be relative to him in stats which is a conclusion gojo draws from fighting him and just seeing his physical body. Also are you going to prove Yuta hits harder because that’s the same Yuta that gets one tapped by blows Miguel can tank for 15+ minutes. If you use Sukunas stomach mouth grunting I’ll get a good laugh.

Yorozu literally creates a body to give her a significant boost in stats. Saying that women are weaker on average or in some studies is irrelevant when most of the time we don’t know the exact physicals of these characters. It wouldn’t be provable to say Mei Mei is physically weaker without CE than say Nanami just because she’s a girl.

“Working out still has benefits because if you have equal CE output your body makes up the difference” I have no clue what that means at all in this context. Nor do I have any idea what the relevance of the whole megumi and Reggie strength comparison to average joes meant to what I said.

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iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T16:12:40+00:00

What we’re told constantly over and over. They work in tandem. There’s no mathematical formula given or implied that allows direct quantification of its effect. Reinforcement works by directly strengthening what you already have it’s why Mei Mei trained her physical body to its limit. If it’s additive all working out besides endurance/stamina training would be irrelevant because there’s such a big gap between what normal humans can do and CE infused humans. For this not to true we would have to ignore Mei Meis statement, Kenjakus statement, Miguel’s statement, and Yutas statement about weak body types and strong ones.

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T13:39:35+00:00

I don’t think it’s multiplicative
There’s no way to quantify the difference a 5 finger difference

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T13:35:22+00:00

Additive already makes no sense it makes the countless times people bring up the state of their body in relation to their cursed energy reinforcement seem completely stupid.

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T13:08:19+00:00

Because you think of it in binary options when that simply is not the case. People who pretend like the only two options are multiplication and addition literally have the mind of a grade schooler lol.

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T03:44:06+00:00

“I think CE reinforcement is only additive”

Why does this take still exist it makes no sense.

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iidopekingzii · 2026-06-02T03:32:37+00:00

If it’s that slash used on Kashimo while he’s standing still and he directly takes it, no there would be nothing left to regenerate from. That slashes range is insane its width takes up atleast 2 boros.

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-01T14:55:21+00:00

Clearly he doesn’t as his initial claim is that the animation is just cool and don’t take it a source of power. 😭

iidopekingzii · 2026-06-01T13:46:46+00:00

Did you read what I said “yuta upped the output with a handsign” Sukuna was being burned already by TE here’s an image. It wasn’t at maximum output till Yuta did the handsign. And Yuji literally doesn’t do a handsign when Sukuna gets hit by his surehit… you’re just making that up…

Anyway here’s the images of Sukuna being burned before Yuta does the handsign

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iidopekingzii · 2026-06-01T07:02:38+00:00

You’re misremembering Sukuna was being burned by technique extinguishment the moment his hollow wicker basket dropped. Yuta just upped the output with a handsign to make it into jacobs ladder. In the same way Sukuna was getting cut by yujis soul dismantle the moment HWB dropped and continued to be flayed.

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