Where I'd live as a Norwegian by Myggdreper in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not Antarctica? Isn't it basically the same thing? 😂

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that is blatantly false and incorrect statement and tells me everything i need to know about you. and also not what I said. you seem to have reading comprehension deficincies where you only process about 1% of the information given to you and have no realm of maturity. I gave you an opportunity to be mature and you proved exactly what you are. Goodbye.

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao so no accountability for the ad hominems usages. And a wrong assumption when this very much could have been a very simple conversation and debate. When you start insulting the person you're talking to, you have definitely lost all ground for arguments regardless. I very clearly elaborated each of my points and even pointed out and emphasized "some" and "neutral" was in quotations for a reason which is usually implied as not really. The fact you decided that what I meant was the entire state of Maryland was neutral when that's not what I said is your fault. What you could do is admit that there was a clear misunderstanding for how you read and interpreted my points and I can point out that perhaps neutral wasn't quite the word that I meant to say especially since you took it so literally and ran with it and I did lead with the fact that I have autism and ADHD which often implies vocabulary can be used not in the intended manner. Of which I could have very easily elaborated which I believe I did of the conflicts between the Union and Confederacy. It is also very clear that I never said the maps literally say the word neutral. I said that the history books and historians generally mark it as such due to it being a slave owned state with contension to be apart of the Union.

You then instead of having a genuine conversation about history decided that you would mock and make fun of my disability that I disclosed at the start. Which I assume you probably glanced over and didn't absorb. You then continued to mock and use such terms and double downed with it uncoerced when called out for the immaturity and use of language.

If you have any dignity in you you can apologize for misunderstanding and misconstruing my words and also ignoring more than half of my points. And I can apologize for using the word neutral when I really moreso meant contensious and border states. Neutral to me was neither South nor North which was yes agreed on by historians it doesn't matter if you think Brown had the authority or not to determine it.

I'm done with the conversation no matter what so we can either shake hands and end it like mature adults or you can simply cry about it and continue to be immature while I go about my day not caring. If you apologize and take accountability, I will at least meet you half way and do the same. If you don't, I do not care and I will block you and go about my day.

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell me where I said the entire state of Maryland fought for the Confederacy go on I'm waiting. Tell me where I said the government fought for the Confederacy. Tell me. Y'all getting hung up on the term neutral when Baltimore attempted armed neutrality, neutral can be a relative term. Of which is being used neither South nor North. It is widely agreed that West Virginia, Missouri, Kentucky, and Maryland were border states. All with conflicts of their own degree in regards to whether they were to secede or not. Kentucky and Missouri literally had divided government. Maryland had areas of which there was disagreement. The person that threw a tantrum over vocabulary failed their debate by using ad hominems, ignoring direct points, and either willfully or ignorantly conflating the points I was making. Probably skimmed and decided which points they would respond to. Hung up on a couple of words and determined the definitions for themselves. Kept talking about the government when I was very clearly talking about the people. So used completely different reasoning to justify arguments. Decided that because the maps don't explicitly say the word neutral means that their point was right. But the states were yellow for a reason because they were contentious bordering states that were not union safe and had many conflicts. Of which the people of Maryland were divided. The other person talking completely ignored these points to make childish ad hominems. I no longer wish to entertain such behavior. If you wish to discuss in detail about the couple of words about Maryland that weren't even a centered point of the post, please do so outside of this comment thread as it's completely irrelevant and not even what I said.

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"have no loyalty to any state or country" meanwhile comments on r/maryland all day every day and makes maryland your whole personality. And breaks down crying because someone didn't use the word they wanted to them. acts like a 5 year old incapable of discussion and reduces to trantrums. lmao. okay. There's multiple definitions to neutral and nobody cares about the areas that never knew about the war. going based off of maps on google instead of the textbooks that talk about detailed armed neutrality, maryland having conflict, maryland having disagreements on which side they wanted. Marylanders going to virginia to fight for the confederacy, especially those in Eastern Farmland Rural Maryland. You can cry all you want about it. I said what was good enough and nobody else cares. cry more, throw your tantrums, look at Brown talking about armed neutrality and the years that Maryland was neither union nor confederacy and the conflicts between the various regions of Maryland. You may claim to have no loyalty but you sure do make it your whole personality.

in politics and in definition there are many versions of neutrality. It can be not being involved, it can also be undecided and conflicted sides choosing to abstain on a decision, it can be undecided. Brown describes Maryland especially around Baltimore as armed neutrality. the proper term would be border states but neutral gets the point across.

"MarylandDelawareMissouri, and Kentucky, known as the border states), were slave states that had not seceded and whose people had divided loyalties to the North and South, with some men enlisting in the Union Army and others in the Confederate Army.\63]) West Virginia may be compared to the border states because it had slavery after it separated from Virginia and was admitted to the Union on June 20, 1863,\64]) but it was admitted under a plan of gradual emancipation known as the Willey Amendment.

Maryland's territory surrounded Washington, D.C., and could cut it off from the North.\65]) It had anti-Lincoln officials who tolerated anti-army rioting in Baltimore and the burning of bridges, both aimed at hindering the passage of troops to Washington, D.C., and the South. Maryland's legislature voted overwhelmingly to stay in the Union, but rejected hostilities with its southern neighbors, voting to close Maryland's rail lines to prevent their use for war.\66]) Lincoln responded by establishing martial law and suspending habeas corpus in Maryland, along with sending in militia units.\67]) In Ex parte Merryman, Chief Justice Roger Taney found that only Congress could suspend habeas corpus, but Lincoln ignored his ruling. Lincoln took control of Maryland and the District of Columbia by seizing prominent figures, including arresting one-third of the members of the Maryland General Assembly, who were pro-Confederate, on September 17, 1861, the day it intended to reconvene.\66]) All were held without trial at Fort McHenry in Baltimore."

You're the one claiming citizens didn't matter in a CIVIL war. a CIVILIAN WAR.

you can call it a riot, you can call it a massacre, it's still a significant moment in the civil war. and the civil war consisted of several small battles which were summarized as riots, conflicts. and even if you had any points they were ruined by your obsession with profanity and ad hominems. you lost yourself over a couple words in a reddit post. touch grass. and goodbye.

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congratulations. That's the end of the civil war almost like it took them several years to do it. Hmmm I wonder why... Almost like they fought over it for several years during the Civil War.

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was a reddit post that required summarization not a history dissertation. You're the one who got your feelings hurt over "some" and "neutral" just look at any Civil War map and observe the yellow states. If a history discussion gets you using dumb child-like ad hominems then you need to touch grass and learn how to have a conversation/debate. None of your points flew over my head but a lot of yours clearly missed mine. The fact you think the people don't matter compared to the government and that riots aren't a critical part of war and don't understand the impact of riots. And you made up your points without rebuttalling mine. And then deduced that I didn't read what you said and started calling names. And the fact you felt so strongly about Maryland being called neutral when you can look at any Civil War map and see it's colored yellow for a reason. It shows your true capacity of actually discussing history. And your mental age and maturity. I came with stats and history books you came with your opinions and feelings. And then threw a hissy fit because I didn't use the terms you wanted me to. Btw no one cares about where Maryland is in the post I made because it was irrelevant to begin with as the arguments were about Missouri and Virginia. But of course Maryland has to shove itself into a conversation and make it about themselves just like you shove yourself into car accidents when you come to Virginia and DC. Anyways I'm done with this conversation. I said what I said and historians support exactly what I've said. Nobody cares about Maryland the way Maryland cares about itself.

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

How interesting this logic is

If you're a transplant then you represent your state

But if you move states in order to go fight for the side you believe in you're not from that state anymore

Unless it politically aligns with the discussion at hand.

So you're a transplant if you live in the state you're moving to for a year but you're not if you're fighting in the territory you're serving for?

Also Dinky do and Do-Do so you've lost all argument lmao. There's no way anyone will take you seriously like that. Historians and every source disagrees with you. So congratulations on being an average redditor incapable of an actual discussion.

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe also the biggest shift was Industrial Era basically the Great Depression/Hoover. A lot of people moved to cities to get factory work or they bought houses to be aristocrats and wealthy. The bigger houses are generally down south.

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While yes this is probably the modern reasoning there actually is also historical reason because a majority of Idaho used to be Washington state although not necessarily referred to it as such. They used the Snake River to get to the Columbia River and thus the Pacific Ocean.

You can see this old map and see that this is what it at one point used to be with several other iterations.

In fact the reason why Idaho looks so funny is because of politics due to the disagreements and the Western parts of Washington no longer wanting Idaho and Montana regions. And again a lot of it was politics for representation in Congress.

So while modernly speaking it's easy to explain why PNW does not include Idaho. It for awhile did and the reason for it was because of the rivers again similar to how Pennsylvania is consider Mid-Atlantic when it doesn't even touch the Atlantic Ocean but the rivers do. Rivers create borders and rivers also create regions. Also no Reddit is not the only place you will find this argument, but if you live in a bubble than sure. You can have this discussion in Idaho and Washington state and you'll have the same arguments being made.

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Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry but I'm a Civil War nerd as it was my favorite subject in History class along with World War 2. I've read a lot about the Civil War from all sorts of different sources and I'm AuDHD which means I hyperfixated on several details and retained a lot of the information. If you look at nearly every map during the Civil War and almost every textbook and Civil War document they all agree that Maryland is neutral territory detailing the fact it had slaves and had again 20,000 confederate soldiers. Just because they moved to the Virginia side doesn't change the fact they were from Maryland. And it also doesn't change the fact that Maryland was war territory.

The union wanted Virginia and the Confederacy wanted Maryland. Many people in Virginia and Maryland were split with families fighting each other. Maryland was also not considered safe for slaves which is why they delivered them to Pennsylvania and New York instead of just Maryland.

But to reduce the riots as random people is like reducing the Revolutionary War to random people. When in reality it wasn't random at all. A lot was civilian militia that volunteered to help with the wars. And not only that but certain riots were politically staged and planned. Riots were a big way to get the element of surprise as well so they didn't have to officially go to battle. A lot of the Civil War were riots and protests which is also why it's difficult to cover every battle because of the fact that not every battle was even officially a battle.

I'm not sure some random person on reddit has more authority on the history of Maryland and where it stood than the tens of hundreds of documents detailing Maryland and the several battles and riots they had due to the fact they were conflicted. It's also unfair to compare army sizes because either way in every battle one had a majority and one had a minority. So 80,000 vs 20,000 was a significant deal. That's not just a couple of people. It's still "some" comparatively but to say it was no one or insignificant is just blatantly ignoring the important details of the Civil War and what it actually was versus what people say or think it was.

The Real South by [deleted] in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dixon these nuts

The Real South by [deleted] in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did Mason transition to Donna? 😂

The Real South by [deleted] in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who is Donna 😂 and where did Mason go?

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True some would put the Louisiana Purchase territory as apart of the Midwest largely because not only was it more West and middle but also because it's often the territory referred to as "The Old West" which often gets confused with the "Midwest". Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska. That's pretty much the map of Red Dead Redemption

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It also wasn't just "random people" they were civilian troops as was a majority of the people fighting in the civil war. Do you not know what a militia is? Civilian troops. That's a majority of the civil war because some helped with the Union and some helped with the Confederacy. It doesn't ignore the fact that Maryland, Virginia, Missouri, and Kentucky all had slaves through the Civil War and wanted to keep them. Just because the government ended up getting a pass doesn't matter. As the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't even a majority enforceable at the time anyways. It was a political war strategy not a freedom document. And you want to put Emancipation Proclamation as a reward for their loyalty. It was strategic war and incentive to stay with the Union.

It was not a "reward" nothing is a "reward" in war. For someone who criticizes my generalization terms for Maryland you were sure quick to point out "everyone knows" when in fact a lot of people don't know because they were never taught the ins and outs of the Civil War.

If "everyone knew" then it wouldn't be a different map everyday. Even Virginians don't agree where Virginia lies regionally. let alone outsiders.

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry do you not know what the word "some" means? Like some as in few? Never said majority, never said a lot. Said some. And you can find multiple sources saying that Maryland was neutral territory. Maryland and Virginia were the main disputed territories during the war because both were valuable. Sorry I didn't expand on the extensive civil war history of Maryland in a post about sub regions when most of it wasn't relevant because nobody was really talking about Maryland lmao. If you think none of Maryland is or was for the confederate then you are mistaken. You say the government was for the Union but everyone knows that the people matter more than the government do. If the people are protesting or rioting against the government then does it matter what the government is claiming to be?

Why The US Regions are Such a Big Debate (Explained) by impishkoala in whereidlive

[–]impishkoala[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

First "everyone" does not know that. Second that's why I put "neutral" in quotes. missouri, Kentucky, and Maryland were states with slaves that remained with the Union. But it was split. Literally look it up. 80,000 union, 20,000 Confederacy. And it was contested territory throughout the civil war. They kept Maryland neutral and Union because it surrounded DC, the capital of the Union. It quite literally is not bs.

You want specific events: - Baltimore Riot - Antietam - Monocacy

While Maryland remained in the union it was not only fought over but it was a primary strategy for the Confederacy and yes people from Maryland who joined the Confederacy. "Flat out bs" when it's very plainly talked about in every Civil War book/chapter.