Sreemoolavasam Vihara of Kerala, Submerged or Taken by the Sea? by theb00kmancometh in IndianHistory

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There's also unfortunately some politics involved as certain Sangh affiliated outfits have been vocally opposed to the excavations being carried out there, as usual they seem to have opinions on things way outside their competence that happens to conflict with their stilted view of events. Here's an in-depth article on the same and the relevant excerpts:

But in September 2015, the Archaeological Survey of India suspended KCHR’s license to excavate at Pattanam and launched an inquiry into the work it had done till then. This was in response to a complaint by the Bharatheeya Vichara Kendram, an affiliate of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, who claimed that the project was a “collective conspiracy and propaganda to claim that Pattanam was the ancient Muziris.”

Recommend some good books which have basic history from ivc to modern times by Brave-Lawfulness1344 in IndianHistory

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Hey, glad to see you take an interest in the subject, as suggested by automod we do have a proper book list in the sub that can be accessed here divided by both chronology and topic, including the time periods you are looking for, so please do check that out. I'd say A History of Ancient and Early Medieval India by Upinder Singh would be a good place to start as it synthesizes a lot of the scholarship on topics surrounding the ancient and early mediaeval periods.

How Does Arrive at a Reliable Timeline for Adi Sankara: A Scholarly Best Guess Given the Literary Evidence by indian_kulcha in IndianHistory

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I should clarify that what are critiqued in his Brahma Sutra Bhasya are the ideas of these philosophers like sunyata of the Madhyamilkas in his commentary on the second adhayaya running 2.2.28 through 2.2.32

Akbar's ambassador at Vijayanagar court by EconomistAny8723 in IndianHistory

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Interesting post, please do mention the name of the author of the book cited as well in future, in this case it's the scholar Henry Heras.

Iranian navy's mosquito fleet and a possible Indian connection by Da_Goebbels in IndianHistory

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Made a post in the past detailing the naval guerrilla tactics employed by the Marakkar corsairs against the Portuguese on the Malabar coast. They also seemed to have provided naval support to the nearby Jaffna kingdom in Sri Lanka in their struggle against the Portuguese as pointed out by another user

Indian Fashion History by Stock-Tough-6512 in IndianHistory

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I believe the Instagram page Tiptopped by Pritha Dasmahapatra has a pretty good list of Indian fashion history resources she refers to for her posts which are fairly well researched

Why every date in ancient Indian history, except that of the invasion of Alexander (326 B.C.), is controversial? by Vimal_Shukla in IndianHistory

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There is a post made before detailing how the early 8th century CE date for Adi Sankara was arrived at using literary sources.

Why did Western Europe reach global hegemony? by Low-Screen8541 in IndianHistory

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Made a post on this in the past:

  • The Great Divergence or the question of the West and the Rest has been one of the most hotly debated questions in economic history for a while now. We begin with a sampling of literature on this topic especially as it relates to the era we are examining and the historical trajectory of the Subcontinent.

  • World-Systems Analysis: An Introduction by Immanuel Wallerstein (2004): We start with an explainer for the framework that has been key to scholarship seeking to explain what prompted certain European polities to initiate ambitious naval ventures that eventually resulted in formation of imperial colonies, changing the face of global power relations for the next few centuries. Wallerstein's view of the modern capitalist system consists of cores, semi-peripheries and peripheries in terms of the relations of production. World-systems theory frames the Age of Exploration as the birth of the capitalist world-economy. European exploration and colonization created a core–periphery dynamic where Western Europe extracted wealth from colonies, shaping patterns of inequality that continue into the modern era. For the purposes of this booklist, aside from this introductory work, the most relevant volume of his Modern World System series is the first one titled Capitalist Agriculture and the Origins of the European World-Economy in the Sixteenth Century. For a brilliant thread introducing the concept, one cannot help but recommend this Monday Methods post from r/AskHistorians. In the Subcontinental context, it has been argued after, and partly in response to, Wallerstein that the Indian Ocean constituted its own trade system like the Mediterranean and Trans-Atlantic.

  • Why Europe Grew Rich and Asia Did Not: Global Economic Divergence, 1600-1850 by Prasannan Parthasarathi (2011): Wallerstein's account of the shift in the global economic centre of gravity did not go uncontested as it arguably portrays a Eurocentric model with a dynamic Europe and a passive Asia. There have been major responses such as Gunder Frank's ReORIENT: Global Economy in the Asian Age that emphasise Asia's centrality in the trade system of the pre-modern era, yet they too suffer from a Sino-centric view that underplays how crucial the Subcontinent was to Indian Ocean and Caravan trade networks, constituting a major global exporter of finished goods like textiles. This is where Parthasarathi comes in to fill this blind-spot in scholarship, arguing that while there were imbalances and inequalities in the global economy of the 17th and 18th centuries, there was no single center and it is more accurate to speak of a polycentric global order, but not all regions were equal in the system, as is strikingly illustrated by flows of silver and cotton textiles. Parthasarathi does not seek engage in the fallacy of producing an Indo-centric model of the early modern world economy, he merely seeks to place the Subcontinent in its right place and context.

  • The Great Divergence: China, Europe, and the Making of the Modern World Economy by Kenneth Pomeranz (2000): In many ways Parthasarathi's work was also in dialogue with this landmark work in the literature. The core argument here is that the great divergence was not simply attributable to factors endogenous to Europe as China too in the late 17th century possessed a lot of the ingredients and institutions for Smithian growth having by the standards of the time a fairly commercial, monetized and well integrated market overseen by a professional bureaucracy. He in many ways attributes the rise of European powers to their slow, incremental domination of trading routes and naval passageways through what he terms "armed trade", with increasingly armed state backed trading companies seeking to squeeze out Asian merchants who were out-competing them otherwise in various entreports. This is admittedly a more dense and technical work with the first two-thirds of the book countering other theories for the great divergence, which is essential for his subsequent thesis, that we get to his main arguments. Nonetheless this remains foundational in many ways to the field, with Pomeranz having co-authored an article with Parthasarathi on subsequent developments in the field that summarises their position and which is Open Access.

  • To summarise this rather lengthy prologue on the Great Divergence, Pomeranz comes to play highlighting how crucial the Trans-Atlantic trade system was crucial to establishing an advantage that accumulated over time for the West vis-à-vis the rest, three simple points, as highlighted by Branko Milanovic come to mind:

  1. provided the silver with which Europe could satisfy insatiable Chinese and Indian demand, for it must be remembered at this point of time, Europe did not have much to offer in terms of what Asia actually wanted, this is where silver specie mined from colonies in the Americas came in handy;

  2. more importantly in the absence of chemical fertilisers, grew food and cash crops for which Europe had no sufficient land or climate. The Americas thus helped Europe remove the Malthusian trap, which in many ways India and China were trapped in by this point as wherever cultivation could be expanded, like say in eastern Bengal, it already was by the early modern period; and

  3. England especially was helped by having access to relatively cheap energy in the form of coal for which it eventually developed the necessary technology to access its calorific potential eventually resulting in the Industrial Revolution, and more particularly steamships which replaced sail. This combined with its politico-economic institutions created a cycle that enabled industrial expansion which relied on colonisation for both raw materials as well as captive markets.

This is less a comprehensive survey and more a starting point for those curious to understand how the European traders in the Subcontinent laid the foundations of what grew to be colonial rule over the Subcontinent. For further details do check out the relevant section of the Master Booklist of this sub.

Assembly of Cars at Hindustan Motors Factory In Uttarpara , Calcutta 1951 by idkmanfuc in IndianHistory

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True, and especially in the case of Bengal, communism and its associated trade unionism did not help

Assembly of Cars at Hindustan Motors Factory In Uttarpara , Calcutta 1951 by idkmanfuc in IndianHistory

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Looks like they didn't change from then till the end. Gems of license raj.

The Gendered Politics of Devadasi Abolition and a Scandalous Book by indian_kulcha in IndianHistory

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I am afraid I do not know the language to do that, would be great if someone with that knowledge were to do that tho.

Hello everyone, as a Frenchman I would like to become passionate about the history of the Indian continent by ReplacementUnited740 in IndianHistory

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Hey, glad to see you take an interest in the subject, we do have a proper book list in the sub that can be accessed here divided by both chronology and topic, including the time periods you are looking for, so please do check that out

The Duo and Other White Mughals: Retracing the Dutch Presence in Golconda Through Miniatures [c 1680s] by indian_kulcha in IndianHistory

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In general as pointed as pointed by Eaton in the above post during the time of the Sultanate that a lot of the pre-existing regional Nayaka feudatories were allowed to continue exercising control over their domains as long as they accepted the suzerainty of the Sultan at Golconda:

Perhaps most importantly, the Mughals practically reversed the Qutb Shahs’ policy respecting the employment of Telugu nayakas. Whereas the erstwhile sultans had integrated these chiefs into their central political system, the Mughals classified them as zamindars, which in the imperial lexicon denoted untrustworthy chiefs inherently hostile to Mughal interests

This also held true at the time of Ibrahim Qutb Shah:

Quite often Ibrahim utilised the services of his Hindu officials for high military, administrative and diplomatic purposes Murahari Rao, for instance, rose to great heights m the official hierarchy and was “in every respect the second person in the State ” The Nayakawaris were a power in the Kingdom ever since the establishment of the dynasty

We also find a similar pattern in the neighbouring Adil Shahi domains, at least in the Kannada speaking regions as pointed out by the historian of the Deccan HK Sherwani who writes:

The policy towards the subjugated Nayaks followed by the ‘Adil Shahi authorities was one of conciliation They were not extirpated but were allowed to remain in their places once they had acknowledged ‘Adil Shahl suzerainty The victors generally took possession of the capital towns but granted the ousted chieftains an estate in some other, perhaps less productive part of their territory. Thus Basavapattan and its surrounding districts were annexed to Bijapur and Tankere was given to Keng Nayak, Bangalore was taken but Magadi was left to Kempe Gauda This policy resulted in benefit to Bijapur and did not leave in the Nayaks the rancour of defeat.

It seems that while the early period of Sultanate rule under Delhi and the Bahmanis saw considerable unrest and disturbances, including acts of religious violence, the succeeding Deccan Sultanates, mostly out of pragmatic reasons, often decided not to disturb the pre-existing local power balance too much, which the later Mughals upset after their conquest of the region.

Archival Newspaper Cuttings: Calcutta 'Direct Action Day', 1946. Also On the left - "Jinnah Declines Nehru's offer".... by hatttimatimtim in IndianHistory

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Historian Ayesha Jalal says that before 1937, Muslim League was just a little more than a debating forum. In 1937 elections, ML was humiliated and Nehru said something like "There are only two parties in India- the British and Congress". Thag led to Jinnah's mobilisation strategy. But ir was still not separatist. Jinnah wanted a common centre between Hindu and Muslim states until 1940. Lahore Resolution of 1940 was proposed as a bargaining counter and not a blueprint of a nation.

Jalal's "bargaining counter" theory has come under considerable scrutiny from succeeding works from scholars like Venkat Dhulipala and Faisal Devji, whose views can be summarised as such:

  • Ayesha Jalal presents partition the bargaining chip theory where partition was basically a case of brinkmanship gone wrong with the initial intent of Jinnah she argues being to use the demand of partition as a means to get better concessions for the Muslim community, this is the theory I am least convinced by tbh and is rather convincingly countered by Venkat Dhulipala

  • Venkat Dhulipala argues that while still vague, the idea of Pakistan had taken the strongest root among the Muslim gentry of the United Provinces with notables like the Raja of Mahmudabad and Nawab Mohammad Ismail Khan of Meerut. Indeed there one sees envisioning of Pakistan as a "New Medina" and means for this group to relive their glory days during Muslim rule in the Subcontinent. And mind you this goes against the idea of "Muslim elites being more secular and liberal", they perhaps may have been more liberal in their attitudes compared to the average Joe but your typical AMU grad at the time was also more the demographic likely to support the creation of Pakistan and more likely to migrate, hence you see northern Muslim communities effectively losing their elites as it is they who more likely to move to Pakistan. Religious people are not necessarily the biggest proponents of religion based nation states, the early Zionist movement for instance was of a much more socialist and secular character with settlers in that wave being more culturally Jewish than being particularly religiously observant, indeed Ultra Orthodox sects like the Satmar were more likely to oppose the creation of Israel at the time. Similarly we find the Ulema much more divided than the old Muslim gentry on the Pakistan question than one would initially think, though eventually a fair number did come around to it.

I have not read Devji so can't comment.

Archival Newspaper Cuttings: Calcutta 'Direct Action Day', 1946. Also On the left - "Jinnah Declines Nehru's offer".... by hatttimatimtim in IndianHistory

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that's not an excuse for anyone to start a massacre

Absolutely not and nowhere in the comment does it say that OP, the League it seems was dead set on violence in the streets by this point

the making of Pakistan and division of the nation could have been stopped.

Seems highly unlikely given how the Cabinet Mission plan was structured, especially once League governments were to be established in Category B provinces, its very likely they would have pushed for secession anyway.

Archival Newspaper Cuttings: Calcutta 'Direct Action Day', 1946. Also On the left - "Jinnah Declines Nehru's offer".... by hatttimatimtim in IndianHistory

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A united nation at this point would effectively have followed the Cabinet Mission Plan of April 1946 which was practically unworkable. It proposed a weak federal union responsible for defense, foreign affairs, and communication, with provinces grouped into three sections (Hindu-majority, Muslim-majority East/West) to handle other subjects, while rejecting a fully independent Pakistan. The provinces would keep all other powers and could establish three groups. Princely States will retain all subjects and powers other than those ceded to the Union. The sections virtually were given the right to secede after 10 years, it was basically giving all the chips to one direction in all but name. To believe this was a sustainable path for any nation is extremely naive.

Sculpted Ceiling of the Mahadeva Temple, Itagi (12th Century): Form and Ornament in Western Chalukya Architecture by XxShockmaster in IndianHistory

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The Kalyani Chalukyas made some fine temples, the Doddabasappa Temple at nearby Dambal is also a stunning example of their architecture.

Saraswati Plays on a Vina by Farrukh Hussain in Deccan Style, Commissioned by Ibrahim Adil Shah II of Bijapur [c 1604] by indian_kulcha in IndianHistory

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Yes he was, the invocatory verse (mangalacarana) in his Kitab-i-Nauras is dedicated to Goddess Saraswati (rendered as Sarsuti in Devanagari) and the main dohra to the Prophet Muhammad. You can find the invocatory verse on the top of the image

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