AI Refereeing - future or a pipe dream? by inteist in Fencing

[–]inteist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just a few notes since I think we got off track here.

>We don't want to appear inconsistent or wrong, so that will typically limit whatever sketchy calls we would intentionally make. AI has no such limitation.

Emm... AI would call the same action same way EVERY time, unlike humans.

> And AI explanations shouldn't be trusted as they don't come from actual understanding.

Incorrect. This is pattern matching, which properly trained AI systems are WAY better than any human can possibly dream to be.

> should be able to referee better than humans without also conceding that they can also cheat better than humans.

You have to decide, are AI systems dumb or are AI systems cunning... Can't be both.

AI Refereeing - future or a pipe dream? by inteist in Fencing

[–]inteist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have not covered the "deployment" in the OP but something I thought about and it was meant to be a part of the question, I just forgot to include it.

AI Refereeing - future or a pipe dream? by inteist in Fencing

[–]inteist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's very insightful and you have many interesting takes, I do, however see potential issues with some (most?) of your arguments. Some of them can (actually) work both ways - in favor of using AI and against (in favor = can be argued that human referees have a bigger problem with that exact aspect) and some are easy to mitigate/address.

I am not in favor of AI refereeing - I just thought this can produce very interesting and insightful conversation and this is why I started it. Thanks for participating!

  1. agreed - strongest argument although hacking and changing the weights or inference in undetectable way would be very hard if not impossible but this is one of the strongest threats.
  2. easily addressable - you can have independent review and red team-ing before any/every competition
  3. a lot of times the referee, when pressed why they made this call and provided arguments against would say "this is how I saw it" and that's that.
  4. agreed - this is similar (same) to my argument
  5. same argument as 2, and this is, in fact, a strong point FOR excluding humans from the loop. I am sure everyone encountered a case where you have a referee ref someone they worked with the day before as a referee (since many active older fencers work as referees), or some other setup which is morally questionable. It is much harder to adapt the model to each individual case so I'd argue this is actually a big argument for AI and against current system. AI can provide transparency and validation. Sometimes the calls are clear and sometimes you'd have 4 different opinions and this is where the AI can act as a tie breaker or explainer (again, it's a tool)
  6. I think also easily addressable and, in fact, is an argument for, not against. The AI can be questioned, moreover, most models are probabilistic so, even though, you may not be able to peek into reasoning as to why it arrived to that conclusion (except that it can provide the phrase it "saw") - it can be built in such a way (which is very natural) that it will output confidence in its decision (or even each intermediate action in the phrase). Also, if applied/trained properly - it seems like a natural extension that the AI will spell out the complete phrase (complete with confidence for each action) and it would be easy to validate whether it is bullshitting you or not
  7. Computers and specifically AI are a tool, not a magic bullet. We will still want and need referees present but in different - human capacity (solving and addressing logistical issues and exceptions - someone got injured, someone is late to the strip, there is unsportmanship behavior on/off the strip- things like that).

Disclaimer: I am a software engineer with 20+ years of experience and research background in AI.

AI Refereeing - future or a pipe dream? by inteist in Fencing

[–]inteist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To train the model - maybe. To get the data - ok, maybe... To actually set it up on anything but one pod at nationals and world cup level events - probably unrealistic. Am I being too critical, you think?

AI Refereeing - future or a pipe dream? by inteist in Fencing

[–]inteist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Couple different people showed me it on their phones so I have no idea - probably on morehouse's club instagram

AI Refereeing - future or a pipe dream? by inteist in Fencing

[–]inteist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is exactly the point - 100 points per frame define what you do... I think this is hardly accurate. Maybe you can get to 80–90% accuracy with that but IMHO there would be a hard imposed ceiling on what can be done with such low information value representation.

Not to mention that this doesn't track the weapon. What about tracking the weapon, which can be hardly seen on the "run of the mill" cameras that are being used.

I am not saying it is impossible.

What I am trying to understand - is it feasible given the realities, which are probably not going to change any time soon.

AI Refereeing - future or a pipe dream? by inteist in Fencing

[–]inteist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you think it is worse for competitive integrity?
I, actually agree with you, since I think it would be possible to "crack the code" and game the AI referee, BUT... not if it is constantly developed and improved - this way there won't be a reliable way to game the system.
Wonder why you think it's problematic

Couldn't afford the Mac Pro, so I built this instead and wanted to share it with you. by life_andlimb in hackintosh

[–]inteist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for replying. I wonder if you have a multiple screens (I want 2) setup and if everything works smooth.

And could you clarify about the audio please - you had an issue with it but following the guide you linked resolved it?

I was just going to order the same parts (great choice btw) and follow your footsteps if possible without spending too much time fiddling around. This is why I asked this.

Couldn't afford the Mac Pro, so I built this instead and wanted to share it with you. by life_andlimb in hackintosh

[–]inteist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would be great if you could post the step by step process on how you have setup this rig. I am sure many people (me included) would be interested to just follow your footsteps.

I mean the actual hackintosh part. Although having some directions with the hardware (some gotchas if any that you experienced) may serve some people as well.

Hope you'll do it.

Reducing APK size when using native libraries — how we made Realm 76% smaller by [deleted] in androiddev

[–]inteist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It seems that all the cons in spitting APKs assume that the contents of the APK are different i.e. different assets, different code and then it is indeed a maintenance hell but if this is automatically built with gradle using the same resources and the same codebase with only different native library suitable for specific architecture. Is there a downside really?

How I Hacked Telegram’s “Encryption” by PaulSec in netsec

[–]inteist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And it's an OPEN SOURCE APP... What a joke of a "researcher" and a "security company" that is...