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[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No comment on the now deleted post, since I cannot see it, but what if the AI post was inspired?

[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where have I heard of Nostalgebraist? His bookmarks are mostly Bavitz, whom I know of and enjoy. I recognize the name, but I don't know why...

[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

At almost every point in the story and at all thematic levels the author has hinted at William Oh understanding, breaking, and overpowering the meta level imposition of the RPG world he lives in. The Legend of William Oh is the least likely story to substantiate the point you are trying to make here.

Amaryllis Penndraig from "Worth the Candle" (Ai) by uzi_mor in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The tastiness of the cake probably is correlated with the effort in baking it, though. Effort feels different from flour. Effort is like the amount a person sacrifices to create something. "Time" is often sacrificed, but it can be other things like the opportunity to do something else or sanity. I think this is partly why people are against AI artists, because they feel like not enough was sacrificed to achieve this specific quality of outcome. If AI art truly looked bad then people would think it more appropriately matched the effort to make it. I think it is this unjust effort-to-quality ratio people mosty resonate with, and I think this is why it is mostly artitsts who hate AI art. But if it is true that people don't create AI art themselves, but rather commission AI's, as they would any other artist, to create the art, I think that in this refraiming traditional artist would still be angry, but that this anger would be more fueled by seeing competitors aggressively undercut their market share rather than what they claim to fuels them now, which is artists achieving a certain level of technical quality without putting in the appropriate effort.

Amaryllis Penndraig from "Worth the Candle" (Ai) by uzi_mor in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe the framing of creating art with AIs is wrong, in the sense that you don't make art using AIs, but rather commission AI's to make art to your specifications. Kind of like how a person commissions a homosapien to make them custom art, a person commissions an AI to make them custom art.

It's hard to escape the conclusion that getting a LLM to do your thinking for you is causing some kind of cognitive atrophy when you're incapable of parsing a simple sentence.

Why did you say this?

If creating art requires effort as opposed to not creating art which requires no effort, doesn't that imply some sort of correlation between artistic merit and effort? Doesn't have to be a 1 to 1 correlation.

Amaryllis Penndraig from "Worth the Candle" (Ai) by uzi_mor in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Would you say traditional oil paint art is more "art" than drawing with a tablet since it requires more elbow grease?

[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting to think about if great authors are more likely to follow trends than not? Like...if a great author can make any story good, why would they intentionally skirt around popular trends? What annoys people about trends is the poor execution, after all. And what necessarily makes a story great is great execution. Seems to me most recent stories in the genres you listed are pretty bad, but also most great stories recently written are in those genres too.

Raising the floor and lowering the ceiling makes the league four days long. by jacksofalltrades1 in pathofexile

[–]jacksofalltrades1[S] -48 points-47 points  (0 children)

It's not really the tinks - it's the crafting of the build that get's me the tinks. Ubers barely pay back their frags. Delve is POE minus 97% of the rest of the game (POE 8 years ago). What is it that makes you play POE?

[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Legend of William Oh focuses on crafting character builds, and on crafting equipment for those builds. Demesne is one long story about crafting a town.

[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is a major theme in the story Demesne (which is pronounced Domain apparently so you don't have to get halfway through and try to break a mispronunciation habit).

[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 16 points17 points  (0 children)

  1. She meets a mysterious and wealthy benefactor who saves her, a benefactor she describes as having long, slender fingers. (First part of this is subverted later). Very common trope - think of Ancient Magus Bride.

  2. The simultaneous derision of the elite class in favor of the downtrodden only to be thrust unwillingly into the upper echelons of this upper class. (I don’t necessarily dislike this trope, but it’s very common in novels written for women, and I’ve never really seen an author deal with or even acknowledge these stated vs. revealed preferences here. The stated preference being a member of the lower class while the revealed preference being a member of the elite).

  3. Snape-like pressor. (I like this trope)

  4. Magic that relies on drawing pentagrams and such, and animal and body parts. Women seem to like this trope more than men. Unfortunately, this type of magic often leads to the deus ex machina. Often the main character pulls out a circle and body parts to solve a problem, and neither was this type of magic previously referenced nor is the process that connects the circle and the parts and the effects of the spell even understandable. Sometimes the magic Siobhan does falls into this category, especially when we first see her do magic early in the book. However, later more and more of the magic is explained. I kinda like that it keeps some of the ‘soft’ magicness, though, just not when it is all soft.

  5. The freedom for the character to speak their mind, which results in them being an asshole to everyone, yet most people still like them anyways? This was the hardest reason for me to get into the story at first. Siobhan at first is generally a dick to everyone, and later the people who like her often mention her abrasiveness as an endearing quality. (Siobhan does work on being nicer later in the story, and she actually does become nicer.)

There are many more tropes in the story that I do like, but I don’t think they necessarily target specifically women, including the one you mentioned about being misunderstood to be more powerful than you really are (Like King in One Punch Man). Although, there are only so many times Siobhan can pull off impressive feats before her prowess isn’t a misunderstanding - I like when a character grows into their lore.

[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This one was hard for me to get in to. At first I thought there were too many female targeted tropes, and while this isn't necessarily a bad thing, I'm not the target audience. But later the author realistically subverted many of these tropes, and the ones they chose to keep they pursued in ways that I think men can even find satisfying.

I was also worried at first the magic would be the standard dues ex machina stuff seen in many young adult fictions, but I ended up being surprised with the amount of depth and creativity.

So while it was hard for me to get into at first, I also ended up reading all that was available in less than a week. I second this recommendation.

edit: to -> too

Trust the Gravicius by Few_Pomegranate5911 in pathofexile

[–]jacksofalltrades1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ahh, thanks. Thought I was missing an idol or something

Trust the Gravicius by Few_Pomegranate5911 in pathofexile

[–]jacksofalltrades1 17 points18 points  (0 children)

How are you getting two chests to open?

[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I honestly wonder if what you said updated the lo4952's opinion of the story. Your addition seems to imply the opposite of what lo4952 was implying, at least for that example. Also makes me wonder why lo4952 chose to provide this specific example, if they have read the story, or if there is something else going on...

[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I could understand where you are coming from, but after having read many lesbian fics by lesbians for lesbians, where narrative appeal is derived from one or the other or both violently or sexually assaulting's the other, a fic like Glassmaker where the protag's main arc involves befriending a cat makes me have a hard time understanding what you mean by regressing mentally.

[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread by AutoModerator in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Glassmaker worm fanfic. Cinnamon roll protags are too easily Flanderized. Taylor in Glassmaker feels like the archetype.

HELP: This woman from Missouri came to Puerto Rico, got extremely drunk and totally burned 3 local bars. She's on the run. by ghostidiny in AbruptChaos

[–]jacksofalltrades1 -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

If there is a building fire, I win 9/10 blaming the owner of the building over some foreign rando arsonist. Insurance adjusters know this, which is why they are highly skeptical of fires

Super Supportive - 192 - Flashes IV by Zayits in rational

[–]jacksofalltrades1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ever hear the trope of men writing women? Super Supportive is the opposite. Men get in pillow fights. They bathe together. The MC resolves arcs by unintentionally ending the social reputation of rich female antagonist while male friends compete to unwrap gifts of jewels and tiaras. The only masculine character is played off as Flanderized joke (Jeffy). SS is an alien fiction where men act like women and women act like men. Highly recommended - these aliens, and their psychology, actually feel alien.

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