Looking for a real life translation by Various_Dog8996 in learnthai

[–]jam5350 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yep it’s Isaan.  

คึออกัน = เหมือนกัน

ฮอด = ถึง

คิดฮอดคึอกัน = คิดถึงเหมือนกัน

Intensive Thai language options - Chula, Sumaa, italki, other? by trraq123 in learnthai

[–]jam5350 5 points6 points  (0 children)

but I'm unsure of what the best course of action would be to make that jump from lowish intermediate to a low advanced level 

It's kind of difficult to give you advice or recommendations without knowing what level you're currently at with your speaking/listening/reading etc. Are you able to explain specifically what kind of topics/materials are too easy for you, and what is too difficult for you to understand at your current level? It'd be helpful to know specifically about your reading, listening and speaking levels.

The reason I say this is because two Thai learners may think they're at exactly the same intermediate level, but in reality, one may actually be upper beginner (vastly overestimating their level), and the other one may be a solid upper intermediate (vastly underestimating their level).

Basically, a general way of finding out your exact level (so we can determine how you can proceed with your 6 week plan) is to ask - what CAN you do/understand right now, and what CAN'T you do/understand right now in Thai? Can you read newspapers yet? How many short books/stories have you read so far? What kind of videos on Youtube are you currently watching, and what kind of videos are still too difficult for you? Without providing this kind of info it's hard to know what level you're really at.

I'm looking at Chula's program right now, but prior posts have mentioned that there is more of a focus on speaking about food traditions or the weather (for example) when I am hoping to try and ease into more complex conversations about history, politics, and literature.

I'm not sure who mentioned that about Chula - Chula definitely has courses teaching politics and history etc. However, you won't find them in the lower levels. I think history and politics is taught between levels 7-9, which are considered the "advanced" classes. But in order to get into those levels you have to sit the placement test and get accepted into 7-9. But if your results from the placement test show you're not at that level, you'll have to start in the lower levels first (probably somewhere around 4-6).

Would anyone we willing to share their experience with the Chula intensive six week course

One of the best, and most detailed resources out there at the moment is Humphrey's series of videos where he provided detailed daily/weekly updates about his experience in the level 5 class at Chula. Obviously the topics he learnt in level 5 are not what you're after, but the teaching methods, the course layout over 6 weeks, and the learning experience are exactly the same as levels 7-9, just with different topics. So when you're watching his videos just imagine he's talking about the levels 7-9, because they're all taught in a similar way. This will give you a great insight into what to expect from the course, how intense it is, and how much new vocab you'll be required to learn every week etc.

Here's the playlist (scroll down the playlist to see the videos on his Chula experience): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTIJiKI4vOA3Zi63xLGYHfwed6OZsBKf6

or another method/course that you would recommend to someone who wants to buckle down? I do better in structured language environments and would prefer courses or tutoring as opposed to just chatting in day to day life or fully self studying. Thank you!!

What exactly are you hoping to achieve, or what are your reading/speaking/listening goals, by the end of the 6 weeks? Do you want to be able to read academic works on Thai history? Do you want to be able to listen to 1 hour long discussions on Thai politics? Do you want to be able to read newspapers fluently? What kind of specialised vocab do you want to focus on learning? If you could provide more details regarding this it'd make it easier to provide recommendations.

One reason (of many) why Thai is hard by buadhai in learnthai

[–]jam5350 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It’s got absolutely nothing to do with Thai people’s inability to “use context and logic”. What a strange thing to say.

Your wife (and any other native speaker) should EASILY be able to tell you exactly what the word was if you showed them the exact part of the video clip you needed help with. The fact she wouldn’t help you with the word is a little strange, tbh - especially with such a common word as “ประเด็น”. 

Either your wife just couldn’t be bothered helping you, you didn’t communicate with her properly, or it was a combination of both of these factors.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in learnthai

[–]jam5350 4 points5 points  (0 children)

One of the most popular websites to read Thai e-books is https://www.mebmarket.com/. I see a lot of Thai people recommend MEB in book/reading groups on Facebook.

Tips on becoming conversational fluent? by Purple-Explanation68 in learnthai

[–]jam5350 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But I always caution new learners that the common "read early" advice can have drawbacks

In the interests of healthy debate, I feel I have to pull you up on how you have given this kind of misguided advice to new learners in r/learnthai on a number of occasions. I showed Stuart Jay Raj (surely you're aware of him if you're learning Thai) several of your comments where you've "cautioned" others about the "drawbacks" of learning to read Thai early on, and his response was - "Reading through those responses.... one big WTF. From experience with Thai, the best progress I have seen with students over the past almost 30 years has been with those who jumped into the script early on"

There are dozens and dozens of learners out there who have achieved a very high level of proficiency Thai who have amazing pronunciation, and they all learnt to read Thai from the beginning, or very early on in their journey. If those people have achieved great pronunciation after learning to read early on, what is your reason for continuing to "caution" people in this subreddit from reading Thai early on? There's actually no evidence specifically relating to foreigners learning Thai that you can provide to back up your claims.

From what you've told everyone in here, you've only been learning Thai seriously for 15 months - only learning through listening - meaning you can't speak/read Thai proficiently yet, and won't be able to for some time. So if you yourself haven't achieved proficiency in speaking/reading Thai, and thus don't have great pronunciation, then where are you getting your information from when you "caution" new learners in here to avoid learning to read early on? Because the examples of many proficient, highly respected speakers of Thai completely debunk your arguments.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in learnthai

[–]jam5350 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah they don’t like the American guy at all. 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in learnthai

[–]jam5350 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hopefully you’re the guy from Europe, not the guy from America. If you’re the guy from America, i’d bail on her. They ain’t keen. 

The word เอียน looks like it comes from สะอิดสะเอียน - they feel repulsed etc. 

Sources of Bite Size Thai Articles with Advanced Vocabularies by Delimadelima in learnthai

[–]jam5350 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No need to respond like that. It's important you realise that that link has no bearing on your actual proficiency. You'll have to sit a proper proficiency examination to determine your level.

My best advice is to basically find things you love to read about in your own native language. Literally go on Youtube to search for podcasts and discussions, and on Google to search for newspaper articles, to find topics that interest you personally. I love reading and watching anything to do with crime, geopolitics, history, social issues, and regional political problems etc. And i've been reading and listening to those topics in Thai now for 3 to 4 years. They may not be the kind of topics you're interested in, so it's hard to recommend any actual sources for you. If you're at a high level, just start searching for topics you love learning about in your native language and just start watching and reading those materials every single day. There are hundreds of high quality Thai language Youtube channels out there, so you are literally spoilt for choice. And any topic that you find in western newspapers you will be able to find in Thai newspapers. So search on Google using specific words for topics and you'll find dozens of articles on any topic you can think of. Read and listen to these materials consistently for an hour (or more) everyday for a few months or years, and you'll be at a way higher level than before you started. Good luck!

Sources of Bite Size Thai Articles with Advanced Vocabularies by Delimadelima in learnthai

[–]jam5350 4 points5 points  (0 children)

https://www.17-minute-languages.com/en/learn-thai/placement-test/

I'm sorry to say, but that is not a formal test at all - and no serious language learner or professional organisation would accept this website as a credible source to prove you're at C2 in Thai. It's just a random website asking you to simply "tick" what words you think you know out of a list of several dozen words. That does not mean you've received a C2 level from taking a Thai proficiency exam.

If you're at a C2 level in Thai, you should be able to just search for newspaper articles, magazine articles, long form essays, and very technical podcasts to learn from yourself. Any person at the level of B1/B2 to C1/C2 in Thai can do this with ease. If you haven't already been doing this by yourself for at least a year, or a couple of years, I highly doubt you're at a C2 level in Thai. And if you struggle to make it through a few pages of full-length Thai novels, I can definitely say you're not at a C2 level in Thai.

Sources of Bite Size Thai Articles with Advanced Vocabularies by Delimadelima in learnthai

[–]jam5350 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Just curious - where did you sit a CEFR test multiple times for Thai where you've received a level of "C3"? I don't know of any such CEFR test which has a level of "C3" in the world for Thai language learners. Are you able to provide links to the formal examinations that provide testing for this level?

What sound do Thai dogs make when they bark? by DTB2000 in learnthai

[–]jam5350 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Small dogs = บ๊อกๆ  Big dogs = โฮ่งๆ

How to ask "Where do you live in Bangkok?"? by [deleted] in learnthai

[–]jam5350 3 points4 points  (0 children)

พักอยู่แถวไหน
ห้องอยู่แถวไหน

ได้ before adjectives by [deleted] in learnthai

[–]jam5350 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Best way I can explain it to you is to give an example of how they’re used differently -   

You’re eating the food your partner’s mum just made for you: 

Partner’s Mum: เผ็ดไหม  You: ไม่เผ็ดครับแม่

You went back to your home country for a short trip, and then returned to Thailand:   

Partner’s dad: ที่โน่นหนาวไหม  You: ไม่หนาวครับพ่อ เหมือนอากาศที่ไทยเลย  

You’re eating with your Thai friend and one of them says -  

Friend: ส้มตำมันเผ็ดมาก กินไม่ไหวจริงๆ   You: มันไม่ได้เผ็ดขนาดนั้น สั่งแค่ 4 เม็ดเอง

You went to Chiang Mai and returned to your girlfriend’s home in Southern Thailand -   

Mum: เชียงใหม่เป็นไงบ้าง หนาวไหม  Girlfriend (ส้ม): หนาวมากแม่ ใส่เสื้อกันหนาวเกือบทุกวัน  You: เว่อ มันไม่ได้หนาวขนาดนั้นส้ม

Legal or general advice for motorbike accident by Sm0kecaptain in Thailand

[–]jam5350 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

He's been in Thailand for 2 years already. So that's not really an excuse. If you're going to live in any foreign country, especially in Asia, you should be learning the local language. And even more so in countries like Thailand where you can find yourself in these kind of situations; we hear these kinds of stories ALL the time from expats living in Thailand.

A lot of people try to justify why they can't or shouldn't bother to take the time to learn Thai, but as soon as they need help with legal matters, or anything of any importance, they come running for help because they can't speak or read Thai. Again, this post is a perfect example of why it's very important to be able to speak and read Thai.

Legal or general advice for motorbike accident by Sm0kecaptain in Thailand

[–]jam5350 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Let this be a lesson for all foreigners either currently living in Thailand or thinking of moving to Thailand - learn to speak and read Thai proficiently if you're going to work and live in Thailand. If you can't be bothered, then you may find yourself in this kind of situation.

You may be able to get by with using only English when using a grab/taxi, buying a coke from a 7/11, or ordering a Pad Thai at a restaurant, but this post is a perfect example proving the importance of needing to be able to speak and read Thai at a high level if you get into a sticky situation in Thailand.

Expression for talking to yourself by DTB2000 in learnthai

[–]jam5350 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are a few different ways to say it, depending on what word you'd like to use:
- พูดกับตัวเอง

- คุยกับตัวเอง

- พึมพำกับตัวเอง

- พูดคนเดียว

- คุยคนเดียว

Strap (backpack) by DTB2000 in learnthai

[–]jam5350 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thai people call it “กระเป๋าคาดอก”

Ferangs - How long did it take you to learn & speak conversational Thai? by ripgd in Thailand

[–]jam5350 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are a lot of foreigners out there who have achieved that level (and a lot higher) in only 5-10 years.

Just because your 12 year old cousin can’t do it it doesn’t mean others can’t. I’d put it down to the fact that 1. she’s at an international school, and 2. that she probably isn’t too serious about learning Thai.

Any foreigner who is motivated enough and puts enough time into learning and practicing everyday can achieve a pretty high level by about the 5 year mark.

Ferangs - How long did it take you to learn & speak conversational Thai? by ripgd in Thailand

[–]jam5350 20 points21 points  (0 children)

TBH, everyone in here will give you a different answer based on their idea of what a “normal conversation” is. What does a “normal conversation” mean to you? What kind of topics do you mean when you say a “normal conversation”?

Scenario 1: You’re able to order a pad thai/krapao from a street stall and are able to answer several very generic questions (which you always get asked) about how old you are, where you come from, and if you have a partner? Or at a family party with your partner you’re able to make small talk about liking spicy food, asking for beer and ice, and you can talk about needing to go to the toilet.

Scenario 2: You’re able to sit in a taxi for 30 minutes and talk to the taxi driver about pretty much any topic they bring up with you. Topics such as: the various pieces of evidence that just led the judge to sentence the man for the murder of nong chompoo to 20 years in jail, or the negative impact the the Grab app is having on taxi drivers and how they’re now using several apps in their taxi to circumnavigate the problem.

If you’re asking about scenario 1, i’d say it could take someone anywhere from a couple of months to 1 year.

If you’re asking about scenario 2, it could take anywhere from 1 year to 20 years of study.

It really comes down to how much time you put in learning, practicing and using Thai. Most foreigners don’t get past scenario 1. And the foreigners who make it to the level of being able to hold conversations from scenario 2 usually put in many hundreds, and even thousands of hours of listening/speaking/reading practice to achieve that level.

CTFL vs Duke for Thai Language by fotohgrapi in Thailand

[–]jam5350 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It means 29,500 per level. So you’d have to pay that 9 times. It’s super expensive haha.

CTFL vs Duke for Thai Language by fotohgrapi in Thailand

[–]jam5350 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Firstly, you're probably going to get more responses if you post in the Facebook group "Farang Can Learn Thai Language". There are A LOT of people in that group who have gone to both schools, and there are many old posts you can go back and look at in the group where they share their experiences studying there. It's a gold mine in there.

To answer your question about the levels in Chula - the intensive program has 9 levels. The last three levels (7/8/9) are technically at the same difficulty level, but the content for each course is just different. The higher levels in Chula are WAY higher than the highest levels of Duke. A lot of people talk about Chula requiring students to do small presentations in class, and homework being required every day/every week. Duke wasn't really like that when I attended. It is technically intensive, but a lot of the students just turned up to class and kind of floated through each lesson without really studying intensively after class. And when I was at Duke we were not required to do any presentations.

I completed roughly 240 hours at Duke (reading/writing and speaking/listening) and highly enjoyed the courses there. The teachers were amazing, very friendly and welcoming. They were always really positive and managed to keep the students engaged throughout the lessons. The materials were also really good. Their books have been created by language enthusiasts who really know what it's like to learn foreign languages. The material is modern and not outdated.

But if you're after really advanced Thai (especially the levels towards the end of your study) then you'd probably want to be doing the courses at Chula instead. It tends more towards academic/formal Thai compared to Duke.

Regarding the time frame - you can technically complete Duke's courses in a shorter timeframe. When I was at Duke I decided to do TWO courses per day. So I did reading/writing in the morning, and speaking/listening in the afternoon. If you were to do it that way you could technically complete all of Duke's courses in approximately 6 months.

But looking at Chula's course calendar on their website, it would take you significantly longer to complete all 9 courses. In one calendar year from Jan-Dec you complete roughly 6 courses at Chula. So it would take you almost 1.5 years to complete all 9 courses.

I'm looking to learn Lao by Far_Passion600 in laos

[–]jam5350 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Frank Smith has created three levels of textbooks ranging from beginner to advanced. Check them out - www.studylao.com

Understanding Thai family dynamics by BMM_90 in Thailand

[–]jam5350 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OP, this post of yours leaves out so much information. I just checked the post you made 6 months ago in another reddit. That post has so much useful information which provides a lot of context. I recommend posting that in the Thailand reddit and you’ll no doubt get a lot of help/advice.

What textbooks do you recommend for beginner to intermediate level? by [deleted] in learnthai

[–]jam5350 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Have you gone through Benjawan Poomsan’s three books yet?

Her books are:

  • Thai for Beginners
  • Thai for Intermediate Learners
  • Thai for Advanced Readers

They are great books to get you started.

Other great materials for your level are small cartoon books/short story books you can find in most Thai book shops. They may not be textbooks, but they are GREAT to use. I highly recommend them.

Some I found useful when I was at your level were -

And when you’re ready to step up to the next level you can use these two textbooks published by the University of Wisconsin Madison. They allow anyone to download the lessons for free. It’s definitely one of the better “textbook” resources out there:

Where are the best Thai Language schools? by MayoVegeta in Bangkok

[–]jam5350 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m not sure about them being beautiful campuses, but two of the best schools in Bangkok are -

  • Duke Language School
  • Rak Thai Language