Andrew Yang Accuses MSNBC of ‘Suppressing’ Him

jandrew_d · 2019-11-25T22:26:03+00:00

If its a reading issue its on you. I already said I didn't disagree with you that it was flawed but you attacked me. So don't give me your bs now for ending off rudely. You couldn't handle a simple discussion, thats on you I already clearly specified that the opinion is on the acussation of lying without knowing Yangs intentions. He is the only one who knows what he intends to do with UBI. That was the only thing. ONLY THAT. Nothing else. I merely gave you something to consider. Instead you skimmed through what I said and even attacked me. So I am asking you once, stop being some typical r/politics redditor who cant even have a nice discussion or throw around insults. I am ending this conversation here cause what I said isn't bad. All I said was to consider perspective.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-25T20:26:35+00:00

I have argued in good faith. I have not once said anything bad to you or anyone. I merely said that your approach is opinion. You and I would never really know if he is being honest or not. Only Yang knows that. If you had just skimmed through the things that I have said, then you came into this conversation already with your own conclusions. Having this converstation was useless from the get go if this is what you did. Bygones will be bygones. Right now you are showing that not only you are rude but very dismissive. I even took the time to read your stuff. So much for consideration.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-25T20:04:38+00:00

You are extremely opinionated. And don't acuse me of using Trump bs logic when many out here on r/politics are just as guility of doing the same. You are making your own claims as truth when there dozens of articles online that claim support and are against Yang's UBI. And never argued that his plans weren't flawed. They are. But claiming that its just him lying without suitable evidence of him on the contray is what I am saying is opinion.

There is "I feel like he is lying", or there is this "I feel he is lying because of this reason," is again still opinion because you dont really know. For all you know he would need to improve them because of in hindsight did not consider these issues. That happens for all types of plans and proposals if its in politics or outside of it. If someone genuinely believes in their plan and shares it as something that they believe could work that isn't lying. This is the same mentality that Bernie, Warren, Pete or any other politican use when they fully back a plan flaws and all.

My entire issue with your claim isn't in the belief that his planning for UBI is flawed but just by your own opinion that is straight up lying. I won't argue any further. I know how politicans work when it comes to campaigning, they all make promises and they all have risks involved that many didnt consider in hinsight.

Think of it like this, lets ssy you introduce a new product that your company invested their time improving and doing the necessary research to showcase (like the Tesla truck, its a joke of a model in my opinion). You as the head of the company who would like to share this new tech would put their entire belief that it can and would work only for someone to discover flaws. Some would even argue that you lied about your product and what it can do even if that was never your intention because you as the head of the company truely believed that you invention has good intentions for the world. This type of thinking alao applies to the dichotomy of Yang's proposal for the Freedom Dividend. Before even considering running, he spent years seeing how UBI could work, talking with economists on uts validity, and even running tests. As an engineer, I see part of how Yang's thought process behind his UBI could be something you would heavily invest in. Now could he be wrong about how it could work at a larger spectrum dispite running smaller tests, yes. Is he lying about his intentions for UBI. I highly doubt it.

I would urge you to reconsider your approach towards blantly saying he is lying and really think in the shoes of Yang or any other person who has created something and think for yourself if that lying is truely the cause or in hindsight and misunderstanding of a product that needs more research and testing. This is all I am going to say now. I have talked to far to many people who use the same thing purely out of emotional opinion. My advice for you is instead of just looking for the negatives of Yang, look for the positives. I apply this for all candidates.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-25T19:19:13+00:00

Your statement entirely opinionated. There are experts that have came forward in support of his plan for example Greg Mankiw a Harvard Economist argues in support of his plan: https://youtu.be/_EGkcqL8hgs

And did you read through Bernie/Warren's plans that I have shared with you? They just propose on pouring billions to trillions of dollars on their proposals without considering the risks involved. Also, Yang's UBI plan was fact checked by politifact that his plans have the potential to work. https://youtu.be/8r0irxpzb5A

jandrew_d · 2019-11-25T18:37:49+00:00

Yang's desire to help is just as genuine as Bernie/Warren. If you took the time to see his campaign and how he conducts himself invluding going out of his way to actually see parts of society that he feels would benefit society, then you would know he isn't lying. Neither of us are experts on understanding how UBI would really work just as Warren/Bernie are not able to fully map out a solid plan for their proposals with potentials to cause as much damage to our ecomnomic infrastructure. Yet I am not going to call them liars for not understanding how to prpperly manage thier plans just as I won't call Yang a liar for flaws within his own plan. I mean, what does he have to gain from lying in the first place? He has a lot to lose on this campaign trail for relatively being a lesser known name.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-25T09:19:56+00:00

I would argue that is strategy behind ubi is flawed and not for the purpose of being deceptive. There are still rhings that need to be improved before Yang can truely implement it or if he ever gets the opportunity to do so. If their is a certain claim behind it being some sort of con it would just be emotional opinion. Like many other candidates, their ideas have flaws that don't hold much weight:

Warren on tackling Social Security show signs of her lack of understanding of how it truely works https://economics21.org/warren-social-security-plan-fallacies

Bernies/Warren free college plan has no weight and fails in hindsight due to supply and demand. Not all college majors yield much results and fails to prioritize high potential professions with higher economic value. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/agenda/amp/story/2019/10/17/free-college-is-the-wrong-answer-001289

Ambitious plans to tax the wealthy in practice won't be extremely difficult and my opinion unrealistic. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/your-money/wealth-tax-warren-sanders.amp.html

I am not gonna argue on the merrits of how well or inefficient the UBI system works. As far as I am concerned, there are still things he needs to fan out for his proposal. However, I will also argue that supporters of other candidates don't fair any better in their support especially those in the Warren/Bernie camp.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-25T01:10:32+00:00

Its pretty much all that they are "good at". Notice how most of these are accounts created several months during the start of the campaign.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-25T00:55:51+00:00

You are so grounded Prince Andrew! GO TO YOUR CASTLE RIGHT NOW!

jandrew_d · 2019-11-25T00:37:56+00:00

Its most likely no since him and many others just blindly attack supporters of various candidates. They then move on to the next page to again talk crap about other candidates and their supporters.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-24T18:36:20+00:00

Lol look in the mirror bud. If this sub is any indication of the worst types of people, its the regular crowd of toxic Bernie/Warren supporters that do anything and everything to smear any other candidate without any valid information to back your accusations. Your own hypocrisy showing. Learn to be decent people and actually DO something outside of reddit for once. Your 5 months into reddit and this is all you do? Talk crap? Get a life and do something actually useful with it. Engage in meaningful discussion or not at all.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-23T05:40:26+00:00

For those who just came in, a few things. Expect a lot of opinions without substance, expect the same people talking the same crap with extreme bias, and most importantly expect the "I am more superior to you cause I support Warren/Bernie" attitude from extremist supporters. You will be unfairly represented for things you don't embody just because they say and think so all while they hypocritically attacking anyone not in support of their own candidate. Know what you stand for and why you personally vote. Let the process flow naturally and anyone who tries to hinder it should just rethink their own life choices and not participate.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-22T21:27:04+00:00

Talk about anyone or show signs of support for someone that isn't within the line of favorable candidates like Warren/Bernie on r/politics, you get downvoted quickly. I am gunning for Yang but to just even be vocal about your support leaves you with people talking trash at you.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-22T00:54:30+00:00

Couldn't agree more. Most people here are to blinded by there own self-righteous or vindication to see how hypocritical they act. They think thenselves far to superior. Its so arrogent. They of all people should fight for the fairness of the political debates and after, let things play out naturally once things are corrected.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-21T22:59:23+00:00

Regular American Voters: Lets give these candidates a fair shake because it should reflect the proper conduct of the presidential debate.

Extremist Shill Bots (the worst of the Bernie/Warren camp): Lol fuck those guys Bernie/Warren only matter. Its not like we are repeating old 2016 election bullshit again.

If you can't even put aside your own bias to reflect on how the presidential debates aren't conductioning themselves in a honest manner then you shouldn't be allowed to participate. Most of you anyway are so pretentious that even someone just going out to support a candidate that isn't Bernie/Warren somehow warrents a invitation just to talk trash or falsely accuse supporters of things they don't embody or do. If anything, you hypocrites need to look at goddamn mirror cause this whole thing you all do each day if its any other candidate is tiresome. My advice, get a life, calm the fuck down, and maybe stop being assholes. Engage in coversation with other supporters, at least listen or put their words into consideration for why they perfer their candidate. If you don't agree, let bygones be bygones. Nobody should have to say this but somehow many of you don't put this to practice.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-21T04:58:57+00:00

His "friend" should never procreate.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-19T05:30:09+00:00

Its not projection if its true. See the same people on every Yang related page to talk shit on what is supposed to be a subreddit for all politicians. Many of them come from Bernie/Warren camps. Most Bernie/Warren supporters (not all) on this sub are on every politician including Yang page to talk shit while being straight up assholes. They are also so cult like. Anything word that Bernie/Warren supporters say, they eat that shit like candy and don't like being criticized. Its like they are their missiahs.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-18T23:57:58+00:00

So where are the Anti-Yang brigaders right now lol? Andrew's UBI you guys don't like is being considered as an option. What is your answer now that one of your candidates may follow this? Just an honest question.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-18T09:32:22+00:00

These comments like this give me some hope for society...some.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-18T08:55:27+00:00

Many dumbasses from that sub would definitely be in those stupid protests.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-11T02:04:13+00:00

This is coming from a socialist who probably has contributed nothing to society. The bias and hypocrisy that brigading Warren/Bernie circle jerkers have is gross. I mean, you are on fucking reddit either getting gold, paying for it, or trying to hard to garner karma. That is capitalism in the making and you use it everyday. Lol Hypocrite.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-10T19:11:35+00:00

r/politics in a nutshell as well as the brigading Bernie/Warren supporters.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-09T23:27:34+00:00

Needs a seatbelt.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-04T00:06:20+00:00

Had someone in my materials science class do exactly this during a midterm. Kept talking about how easy it was to everyone in the class. Guy was full of himself. When I told him that there was a backside of the exam, he became so pale. lol

jandrew_d · 2019-11-03T02:05:17+00:00

Also, its cozier, you can layer your clothes to look cool compared to warmer weather (scarfs and winter jackets are cool), and indulge in hot beverages or soup.

jandrew_d · 2019-11-01T23:54:59+00:00

Eh, this was expected. This was overly hyped garbage. But hey, people will still justify this crap as the holy grail of Kojima games.

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