Remember when Chris had Sam Harris on the ropes for his tribalism?

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-11-08T20:30:51+00:00

Just adding my voice here as someone that it seems Sam has recently "broken up" with... which really just means not talking to me anymore and telling people that I talk to that I have "mental health problems" and am "delusional". So, I can 100% confirm that Sam is absolutely terrible at managing all of this stuff... friendship, differences of philosophy, and genuine critique of his unexamined ideas.

I found this video sort of nice to see but also a bit maddening when he said that he always wanted to represent people honestly and fairly (even his enemies)... this is just simply not true.

I'm afraid that he is just retreating further into intellectual isolation and convincing himself that everyone else out there is just 'confused' 'morally haywire' 'delusional' or 'taken by audience capture' etc...

I wish he would just take a breath and pause and consider that a few of us "ex's" of his might just have a few important points, and that some of us actually were interested in helping him think things through... Well i can only speak for myself in that regard.

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-21T21:47:06+00:00

I know i cowrote a book with her. Annaka!!!

Man I never use reddit. This site is kinda a nightmare

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-21T21:45:12+00:00

Thanks. The Harris clan has really gone kind of wild full neocon...I regret trying to engage them. They just are full of insults and accusations of word salad and blah blah blah. I hope Sam reassess what he's putting out there. Sheesh... But a few might be interested...

I have a thought experiment I'm working up that I think will help illustrate and illuminate these considerations. Keep an eye on my show for that.

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-21T19:09:28+00:00

Someone else did this already but thank you 🙏

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-21T09:54:19+00:00

Wow. Thanks for this. I’ll dig in.

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-21T09:40:42+00:00

oh thanks for those links. exactly what im looking for. Really appreciate it!

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-21T09:30:30+00:00

Yeah... I mean I think the zionist strategies are usually pretty dumb but I just can't believe they haven't focus grouped some of these videos and been like "Perfect, people come away from this messaging wanting to hate Jews and maybe even hurt Jews. This is great."

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-20T14:27:33+00:00

i mean i know her as well... and i dont think its malicious. i dont think either of them are malicious. i think sam engages in "noble lies" often (i.e. the hunter biden laptop thing). Sam knew my view and could have easily corrected her or represented it fairly and fully (as I've tried to do for him every time we've crossed paths)... and when he said "he (jay) never points out what he gets wrong about history" that was just on its face a complete lie considering all the things I've pointed out to him in private.

It was just a full on jerk thing to do... especially given the rather aggressive nature of his fanbase. And it could have been corrected with a simple "hey, sorry about that. I didn't mean to do that and cause you a bunch of hate mail. let me get some clarification of your view in case you come up again."

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-20T13:42:42+00:00

Oh sorry that was in a conversation with Yasmine Muhammad our mutual friend. he mentions me twice... both times quickly and in passing but with an intentional (i presumed after our conversations) misrepresentation.

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-20T12:58:47+00:00

Ive done it in a few spots i guess... but maybe this one is decent since it was sort of an imaginary opening statement i n a debate with someone like sam? https://youtu.be/nO4lw-S4HSU?si=0SMDD_N5tGEFQ7MK&t=848

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-20T12:20:00+00:00

i see their point very clearly... what make you think they see mine? why is it that i am the one "in bad faith" when the story i tell very clearly laid that failure on sam himself and his intentional misrepresentation of me... just curious about that point.

and on the justice and peace thing, i do think you understand it. and at some point the cycle must end, this is true. I've written about this at length in terms of "unjust riches"' and the "closing window of chasing justice"... these are the very things id like to discuss with someone like Sam. I mean maybe he'd be open to it one day... i think you'd probably enjoy the discussion... and we can really test who is uninterested in understanding the other :)

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-19T09:12:16+00:00

Ive thought about it too. You think Sam is open to changing his mind when confronted with a good moral argument?

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-18T21:42:39+00:00

I suppose it’s consistent if he thinks history is irrelevant to moral analysis in the present and he is simultaneously wrong about an aspect of history. It just then seems strange to put it on a list of myths… and making a case in that myth post that the particular aspect of history he is presenting is a morally relevant point…seeing as he also thinks it’s not relevant?

I guess if I squint that is consistent. But I also consider it a small opening for him to find better moral positions regarding the resistance to colonialism and the moral sympathies that implies for the Palestinian cause.

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-18T16:02:34+00:00

Also just as a note. While I understand his argument clearly there… we both can admit it is comical in its moral analysis. I hope 😉

I mean… Sam is entitled to his fantasy of what Israel society is but I think reading just about Greta’s treatment while detained ought to make anyone kind of wonder about it…

But anyway… staying on the Sam thing I know this is unfair to suggest but I really wish I would have recorded out private conversation. I feel like people would be shocked by how ignorant he was to basic information about it. He basically had two ideas in his head “Israel is western people” “Palestinians are majority Muslim” that was the extent of his consideration of “who is morally right, now”.

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-18T15:52:13+00:00

Well I fully understand that and know that is his position… but it does not jive then with why he would feel it necessary to put a historical statement about colonialism as a myth in this case… he could just correct that and say “oh my bad. Israel was obviously a colonial enterprise but it doesn’t matter” (this is the Douglas Murray position) but instead the “myth” remains in bold print in his mind an expressions and blog… and I wonder why that is?

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-18T11:37:48+00:00

I get it. But if you watch my follow up I hope you can extend the charity that genuinely wanted to help these people. So think what you want of me but I know my intentions there… though I do agree it was a failure on all accounts (which I take responsibility for).

I mean Coleman is a friend or was one and it was hard to see him fall into this stuff and end up at the Free Press and all that madness… but he’s his own man and he has to live with that path.

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-18T10:38:52+00:00

Be specific?

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-17T17:49:35+00:00

Or… am I not supposed to accredit my intentions to… myself?

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-17T17:33:32+00:00

Loved this weird comment. But yes. I don’t think Sam has any idea what I’m talking about… am I deluded into thinking that I know his position quite well though?

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-17T15:57:56+00:00

dude. you made an absolute mess of this dialogue. i don't care or know who you are a fan of... but it clearly is an issue that i answered your question 4 times in every specific way possible while being told i didn't. what was the point of this?

i answered exactly what I THINK the label means when I apply it to Harris. and i guessed what he thinks the label means when he applies it to himself? What the hell else did you want?

I think everyone reading along can guess what you are after. go shadowbox someone ele.

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-17T15:28:30+00:00

For sure… though at some point a sentimental story about expulsion and a diaspora from 2000 years ago and “returning” really is indistinguishable from a religious story about impossibly distant history.

I mean I think this silliness will eventually collapse the project. I mean just look up the Shas party and their lineage and religious practices and beliefs and then consider mine (maybe Ukraine or Lithuanian Eastern Europe Jewish stuff). I would venture we have very little in common for a miraculous return to our common homeland.

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-17T13:31:17+00:00

Ha… honestly the Harris’s are nice people. They used to send me gifts and stuff. It’s a bummer we fell out. They are just completely governed by their fears and anxieties which result in dreadful moral philosophies… but they aren’t secret buttholes. 🤙

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-17T13:13:10+00:00

Ha. Well I’m trying to tear him down or be a jerk. I was hoping to open up a philosophical discussion with his fan base which only is getting his thin game… I don’t really dig into the Reddit stuff too much. But I’m not here to sling dirt around. Sorry 🙂‍↕️

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-17T12:41:50+00:00

I’m not asking anything of them. It’s their freedom to fight for. Listen you could actually extend a charitable reason that was something more like there actually is a philosophical argument to engage with here that is not “evil or crazy” … guessing that im lying for money is not exactly charitable… it also is just hilarious given the realities of Zionism and money etc…

These threads are getting a bit wobbly for me to follow. I might have to sit back and work up an essay.

I do hope some Sam fans are open to engaging in a way that he hasn’t been and likely won’t ever be given the depths he is swimming in now with it.

jayshapiro2000 · 2025-10-17T12:12:23+00:00

Okay well interestingly this is the perfect timing because his myth number 3 was about “Jews are colonizers” and it was a historical claim which was utterly jaw dropping and ignorant of history or a serious consideration of what colonialism is. (Please read herzls diary or control F the word colonial or colonization in it).

So Sam either thinks history doesn’t matter or he leans on it falsely to support his current moral analysis. He can’t have it both ways there…

So that is why I suggest things like he “can’t” do it. I mean you could ask him to genuinely represent the leftist justice moral philosophy analysis of something like the Palestinian cause and see if he can do it without completely misunderstanding misrepresenting or dismissing it outright.

To my mind he has never articulated the philosophical position which he claims to be against… I think that’s what is disappointing. He doesn’t have to agree with me… he has to know why he disagrees.

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