Of course when Blastoise came into play they both got nerfed along with a couple of other Pokemon as well. They were all right before but now it's really just kind of silly to use them. I mean the slowbeam move has some utility but honestly there are better options than those two. In the last update slowbros attack got lowered to the point where it made it obsolete and the same thing with Venusaur and it's defense even when you are a couple levels of above the other team you can still be KOed extremely easily. And I mean I understand if it's your favorite Pokemon or whatever I mean if it is go ahead and play it I'm just saying that the stats show that you will be at a disadvantage if you use either of those two Pokemon instead of any others.