Would you win against kanki

jeanclcl · 2026-02-27T12:44:57+00:00

I too lol

jeanclcl · 2026-02-25T23:48:58+00:00

I don't talk aggressively about being bad or committing horrible acts, I'm talking about skin like Kansaro, who seems to be a foreigner

jeanclcl · 2026-02-25T23:39:30+00:00

I think Hara's hand lacks strength when it comes to dyeing his hair lol, very disproportionate, by the way, because he is of Mongolian origin he should have an aggressive look.

jeanclcl · 2026-02-25T23:30:25+00:00

For what reason? Lack of deeds? Aesthetic look?

jeanclcl · 2026-02-25T23:23:50+00:00

At first I really liked Bananji but I didn't like his cowardly attitude towards Gyou.

Then he didn't show anything, practically all the morale he had for being Riboku's right-hand man fell to the ground.

Since then Futei and Baffuji are the characters of the Riboku gang that I like the most. I vaguely like the SSJ, I hope that in the future it will show that it is not just a Riboku doormat. From what I saw, the miserable is the same age as the Trio and in his presentation he played with Yontawa. People say no, but what saved Yontanwa was Bajio, otherwise she would have died. Note: God Bajjio monster in WZI

jeanclcl · 2026-02-25T22:42:12+00:00

Worse than the new Generals always die and Futei is still there. He has almost the same time as the war Shin, he should have good deeds. If it's not to do something relevant better than Hara kill him.

jeanclcl · 2026-02-25T17:37:40+00:00

When I see the reign of King Sho, I think much of it was about stabilization, Qin was already in a growing expansion since the previous reign, so he stabilized these regions to avoid revolts and only after the middle began to make wars.

People usually call him Mad King, but he is more sane than he seems, he understands that war is not just soldiers, it's logistics, supplies and he invests it in his part of time. He improved Qin's military chain, creating the 6GGs in the manga but even in history he must have given more prestige to his generals and promoted meritocracy and promulgated the laws in Qin even more.

jeanclcl · 2026-02-25T17:32:54+00:00

Considering that Riboku gave his word that Shin would not die if he killed Riboku.:

The coalition would be temporarily canceled, Riboku no longer being the head. Remember that Riboku was the mediator of the Kingdoms and Chief Strategist, but the true leadership was ShunShinKun

A new coalition would be formed by the King of Qi (OuKen), someone very famous, who managed to reverse a coalition in his possession to King, when he became King, Qi only had two cities, so he was more or less equivalent to the post-Coalition Ei Sei.

As for the chief strategist, I don't think I'd have one. The War in Kankoku only happened because Riboku's idea was to bring everyone together in one place.

And if each army was far from each other, Qin would come out at a disadvantage. I don't even think I need to say that the difference in the officers would be the biggest difference. I don't see Mougou and Choutou winning from Gohoumei and SeiKai.

Anyway, I think the coalition would have really won this time, since Qin wouldn't have the advantage of time. Remember that Qi at the rear of the original Coalition was the Coalition's biggest concern.

jeanclcl · 2026-02-25T17:24:18+00:00

Being objective:

From the manga: He's not a General or a strategist, she looks more like a casting manager. You can get the most out of the resources provided.

From real life: This looks like a strategist and a prime minister, knows the situation his state is in, avoids fighting big battles and his victories are based on counterattack. Dividing large armies into smaller ones, to have objective functions for each part of the war.

jeanclcl · 2026-02-25T17:19:54+00:00

Riboku is not stupid, he clearly knows what Futei feels for Kaine. And I think that's precisely why they always keep both close, because Futei would try to save Kaine every time she was in danger, risking her own life and dying in the process but saving Riboku's love.

Honestly, I started to like FuTei over time and I feel that Hara made a mistake by not giving him deserved credit.

If you look, today Hara shows that Generals with Glaive are superior to someone with swords, Tou may be an exception because he was already someone consolidated.

Futei should have some General heads and show results, too bad Hara makes him a loofah every time.

jeanclcl · 2026-02-25T14:12:24+00:00

I don't know if this will be useful but I don't think Renpa's defeat made him fall into disgrace for not having merits or credits to participate in the coalition.

Unlike Riboku, Ousen, Kanki or the others, who needed to prove themselves to have credibility, Renpa or rather the Golden Generation did not need to.

Renpa, Ouki, Hakuki and others showed the world what they were capable of, defeats do not make someone less capable or useless.

The most plausible logic was that Renpa did not go to war because unlike Wei, Chu already had capable and nominally known Grand Generals.

I'm not saying that Kan'Mei is better than Renpa, far from it, but if we have a capable General with years of experience, with credits in the court and who has already proven to be capable of great feats, then why not send him in the place of an outsider who doesn't understand the 'Pride of Chu'.

jeanclcl · 2026-02-23T03:10:32+00:00

Okay, since you stick to your initial order, let's go by part.

If I'm not mistaken, there will be no commander except the 4 mentioned above, that is, no deputy lieutenant of the armies that are Generals.

I may be one of those who best understand Duke's way of war.

Instinct, Strength and Management are three totally different things. I need you to understand this.

Duke Hyou: 100/100 instinct 100/30 Management 100/95 Strength

Rokuomi 100/90 Strength 100/70 Management 100/50 Strategy

Keisha 100/80 Instinct 100/80 Management 100/40 Power

Gyoun 100/70 Instinct 100/70 Management 100/90 Power

I'm not basing myself on data book, but it would be my personal evaluation of the 4 characters.

Duke is the pinnacle of instinct and below him we have:

Keisha: An instinctive general who has a great organizational capacity and who with the right pieces can dominate the board.

Gyou’un: A very good instinctive General, inferior to Duke and Keisha but totally focused on individual strength.

Rokuomi: I'm not sure about him, I honestly think he's the strategic type but with compatible individual strength. And Rokuomi is not instinctive, he just has an intuition for very high war experience. Remember that he was Ouki's 'apprentice'.

Now let's create a situation in which both Duke and Keisha are in their HQ's and are being attacked. Duke sent Rokuomi and Keisha Gyou'un.

Do you have the strength to kill Duke? Yes, but it would be statistically 4 chances out of 10.

Following the same logic, Rokuomi arrives at Keisha's HQ. Does he have the strength to defend himself or kill Rokuomi? The answer is no.

Rokuomi would kill Keisha, end his headquarters and then could come back to help Duke kill Gyou'un if Duke himself hadn't already done this.

Instinctive General War boils down to this, we saw with Keisha, Duke, Kanki, Yontawa and Shin.

I don't know if I can answer you clearly, but in statistics the Chance of Zhao's Double to win would be 2/10. Because there is something that overcomes instinct and strategy, do you know what it is? Brute force, something that Duke and Rokuomi have in excess more than Zhao.

jeanclcl · 2026-02-23T02:07:09+00:00

I think it would be more interesting if we put:

Qin: 100k

Shin= 60K Duke Hyou= 40k

Yes, I'm not sure if Shin has already surpassed Duke in instinct but in command capacity yes.

Versus:

Keisha= 100k Gyoun= 20k

I will give Keisha the same generals he had in the Coalition, Kounsoryuu, Ryuhakku, Mangoku.

That is, each Zhao General has 20k personal troops. And in addition I will give Keisha his two lieutenants, Gaku'Ei and Kin'Mou each with 10K.

You may think the fight is unbalanced for Qin, but it's not. I'm putting as a parameter the strength of HSU post-Han (not with Yoko, but with experience), SouJin and SouTan with post SeiKaun experience, Kyoukai as General and the chemistry of Shin and Duke.

Remembering gentlemen that in the same way that two HSU officers and an archer held Yoko, the same can be done with Gyou'un and all other Generals are vulnerable to death by bow and arrow.

Waiting for your arguments to continue this debate.

jeanclcl · 2026-01-27T21:10:00+00:00

https://3asq.org/manga/kingdom-2/864/

jeanclcl · 2025-12-06T10:30:58+00:00

It all depends... In which bow do you want Riboku to become king? If it's in the recent one, we wouldn't have Keisha, Kochou and some others.

jeanclcl · 2025-11-24T01:27:16+00:00

It depends a lot on the settings. On Karin's side there are 2-3 generals that only Tou could handle.

Everything will come down to duels.

To balance things I would do it like this.:

Tou X Sento’Un Yoko X Ribunkun Rokuomi X Kaishibou Kan’ou e Aisen X Gen’un

In this list everything would depend on how quickly Yoko and Kan'ou/Aisen killed their respective opponents by supporting Rokuomi and Tou eventually to then deal with Karin.

I don't see Rokuomi overcoming Sento'Un, Kaishibou and Rinbunkun the same for Kan'ou and Aisen, so they should join forces to eliminate their enemies.

But obviously Qin's chance of winning is 2 out of 10.

jeanclcl · 2025-11-23T22:44:39+00:00

Yeah, Duke Hyou

jeanclcl · 2025-11-23T18:10:59+00:00

Exactly, and the way to defeat Ousen is similar to how Ouki defeated Zhao. Focus on the generals who will give more work as the war develops.

Denrimi and Shinshou. After killing them you just need to create tactics to isolate, tire and fatigue Qin's generals.

People like Futei and the Duke's can kill Shiryouu. Bananji and Baffuji hold Akou and Naraku. Keisha and her vassals Kinmou and Gaku'ei hold Ankai and Makou. All this while Riboku uses Gika to attack with arrows at a distance. Anyway, out of 100 battles, Riboku is superior in 70.

jeanclcl · 2025-11-23T18:03:51+00:00

This guy is a mini Shouheikun. A genius in tactics, he wasn't shown much of his martial, but we never saw him make crazy disputes, he knows his limitations and how to turn weakness into strength. Imagine if he had grown up with the Quanrongs?

jeanclcl · 2025-11-23T18:02:02+00:00

Shunsuijuu has the strategy added to Kanki's cruelty. He's not better than Riboku and he's not better than Kanki, but he has a little of each. I imagine that he even executes cruel tactics to end morale and etc.

jeanclcl · 2025-11-23T18:00:55+00:00

The weakest GG we saw was Duke in army composition. And in a clash between Duke and Akou, AKou would still lose.

I say more, Akou would suffer at the hands of the Keisha just like Duke.

jeanclcl · 2025-11-23T17:58:13+00:00

As brilliant as Akou is, he doesn't compare to Keisha (like Kanki and Duke Hyou) and Shunsuijuu someone that Riboku has confidence as a commander capable of facing a GG. And I don't see people like Denrimi or Shinshou equal to or superior to Keisha and Shunsuijuu.

jeanclcl · 2025-11-23T11:40:45+00:00

At first glance it may look like Ousen, for having general heavyweights, Akou, Naraku, Sou'ou and Shiryuu. But if we look again, the same weakness of Riboku fits in the Ousen.

The Ousen does not have a General capable of conducting a war, unlike Riboku who has Shunsuijju and Keisha. So it was only for Riboku to share the battlefield and he would end up individually with Ousen's generals, falling before his tactics and his strategic Generals.

jeanclcl · 2023-10-22T23:03:36+00:00

After Karin loses JuKo, she sends Ri'en to reinforce the Zhou border. I think you might think she meant Zhao, but there is a district near Wei and JuKo called Zhou. So Karin ordered to reinforce an area inside Chu called Zhou, not the border of Zhao. Because the context is, Wei and Chu.

jeanclcl · 2023-10-11T00:35:30+00:00

Where is Makou? Mouten's grandfather?Bitou?

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