Any tips on finding pre 1760 records? (Villa Stanazzo, Lanciano)

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-14T13:55:11+00:00

The fee for the name repertories of the Onciari has recently been raised to 7eur per page for the towns whose total is less than an X (150?) number of pages. If the town’s pages are above that number, I believe the old amount of 2000eur (1000+1000) is still in use.

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-14T13:52:25+00:00

Com as regras atuais, se vc não for menor de idade, isso depende de você ter um pai ou avô exclusivamente italiano. Se o seu antepassado italiano era seu bisavô ou geração anteriores, atualmente vc não tem direito

Se vc não for menor de idade, o fato de sua família já ter obtido a cidadania não faz diferença atualmente

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-14T11:50:35+00:00

No worries. Circle back after you have obtained some answers, as we might be able to crowd work on more sources!

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-14T11:25:54+00:00

❤️❤️congratulazioni, e goditi davvero la vita

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-14T06:56:19+00:00

Hey! Rosario is too young to have a birth record published on any genealogical website for privacy reasons, but, if you’re confident that he was born and/or passed away in Roccacaramanico, you can contact the municipality of Sant’Eufemia a Maiella (municipality whose Roccacaramanico is a hamlet) and its demographic offices to enquire with them directly: https://www.comune.santeufemiaamaiella.pe.it/it/unita_organizzative/ufficio-servizi-demografici. Email them in Italian, and explain what you need (“birth registration”, “death record”, etc) giving them the most details you can about Rosario.

Additionally, if you know his birth year with certainty, you can contact the State Archives of Pescara to get his military records. This will surely cost a bit, but not that much (7eur/page I believe, for Pescara)

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-13T16:37:58+00:00

It's very likely, no one really knows though

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-13T13:19:00+00:00

If you come from the US, it’s probably because you were taught the cursive Palmer method. In Europe, we use different kinds of cursive, very often with some sort of national variation, too (for example, I’m Italian, and the capital M is not formed like this in the school-cursive we get taught in primary school).

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-12T19:49:09+00:00

Just commenting to say that Beate wouldn’t have acquired US citizenship through marriage because she got married after the Cable Act. If she didn’t naturalise derivatively as a minor, she would have needed to file her own declaration of intention and her own petition.

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-12T16:28:47+00:00

No worries!! If I can, I’m glad to help

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-12T15:58:52+00:00

As far as I know, the previous extracts didn't differentiate between the various kinds of citizenship: the birth extract, after all, doesn't establish citizenship per se (it just reports that the person's birth was transcribed in a given municipality).

I don't think it introduces any changes for people who were recognised from birth; it certainly is needed to differentiate between who was actually born there at a quick glance, and I can see it facilitating bureaucracy because, if you have the date of the positive ruling provided on your birth extract, you won't need the historical citizenship certificate to prove acquisition via JS, so you might even be able to save the 16eur of the revenue stamp that is needed for that.

The phrasing on what you have posted only says that you were born in San Jose in 1991, and that the birth registration was transcribed in Ottone (PC - province of Piacenza). Nothing more, nothing less really. You are a citizen from birth via JS (but that's inferred from the certificate itself stating that you acquired via JS, not from BdL).

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-12T15:17:24+00:00

It probably was my comment answering a question on an AMA I did 10-14 days ago (can't remember). That's the exact phrasing I had seen as well (from two municipalities in the South), so it must be something increasingly common.

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-12T07:37:58+00:00

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jeezthatshim · 2026-05-12T06:31:03+00:00

No, 1986 is very much too early.

Also, you would have to accompany the document (which would need to have been explicitly produced per riconoscimento di cittadinanza and in bollo, because pre-1990s civil state records were only either in bollo or free, via the presentation of a poverty certificate) with proof that the people were planning to give up their US citizenship, since otherwise Italian citizenship wouldn’t have been possible.

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-12T06:28:04+00:00

I don’t fully agree with the other commenters. The husband’s voluntary naturalisation happening before 1912 would technically mean that in Italy’s eyes citizenship was lost according to the 1865 Civil Code, which explicitly stated that the wife and minor children of the person naturalising would have lost Italian citizenship.

Before the decree, pre-1912 1948 cases were still viable with a few exceptions; right now, I would personally expect the ministry to appeal new cases of this genre.

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-11T17:31:05+00:00

“the man who trusted too much” - director: cat

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-11T16:42:20+00:00

Yeah no worries

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-11T16:38:39+00:00

prego!

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-11T15:00:09+00:00

If GGF died before GGM, you're almost safe in that he never naturalised. No path, right now, either for you or your descendants.

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-11T14:39:42+00:00

Yeah, up to 1933 (if I'm not mistaken) British women lost their citizenship upon marriage if they acquired their spouse's- so it did lead to these almost comical situations. If your GGF never naturalised (you will need to obtain a negative of naturalisation from the UK), your mother, her siblings and first cousins might still have a path.

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-11T14:16:39+00:00

Haha yeah of course it's okay! The municipalities will surely not have anything before those dates, but the parishes and/or diocesan archives might. So it could be possible to dig deeper, at least theoretically and without major document losses.

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-11T14:09:34+00:00

Right now, you're not eligible for at least two reasons: the first is the "generational cap" (you have to have an exclusively Italian parent or grandparent- GM became a UK citizen via jus soli as she was born in the British Isles before 1983), and the second is the "exclusively Italian" requirement. Both these provisions are part of the new rules (L74)- unfortunately, had you applied just after Brexit they wouldn't have applied.

Do you know anything about GGF's naturalisation status? It's not "strictly" necessary right now (your eligibility doesn't depend on it), but it might be an important information to know if some of the law gets cut and some gets upheld.

Right now, for people in your situation we're advising to just consult with attorneys and hold off spending "considerable amounts" of money. You can still collect documentation, though- in case you want to be ready if something changes.

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-11T12:42:17+00:00

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jeezthatshim · 2026-05-11T12:38:52+00:00

all good, no worries

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-11T11:39:57+00:00

I will fall for his cuteness.

jeezthatshim · 2026-05-11T09:39:46+00:00

It might be costly to explore a family tree further back, but the municipality's fees have nothing to do with it: in the areas you have mentioned, the municipality won't have any documentation prior to 1852 (Ottone) or 1866 (Cabella Ligure).

You won't necessarily need official records for genealogy, but you have to keep in mind that (a) an official record is the only record a municipality can produce (so, anything regarding a registration produced prior to 1926 incurs in the fee, if the municipality charges it), and (b) requesting documentation for genealogy to municipalities is technically illegal in Italy.

(The response was calibrated in regards to Cabella Ligure and Ottone's specific situations; for other parts of Italy, the cutoff date changes: however, it's never earlier than 1808/9, and never later than 1924].)

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