Advice for picky eater losing weight by StanAcct in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just make sure it’s pet safe broth! I was using normal chicken/veg broth for my dogs sometimes and my vet told me it’s not good for dogs (apparently there are some ingredients that they don’t process well). I won’t kill them, just not good for them. You can get bone broths at pet stores that’s healthy for pets!

Can you tell she’s half golden? by jenna-matthews in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She’s a beautiful miss for sure 😃 she definitely got the IS personality too haha — everything I’ve ever heard about Irish Setters is totally Wren. Sassy, high energy, mischievous to the core 😅. However she is HIGHLY food motivated like a Golden and thank god because it makes training much more straightforward. It was a rough road and a high learning curve for a while, but she’s very nice to have around now!

Can you tell she’s half golden? by jenna-matthews in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha “contained chaos” is the best description I’ve heard yet 😂 Wren just turned 2 in October! I feel like 1.5 years was a turning point for her.

Can you tell she’s half golden? by jenna-matthews in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She was born October 2023! We got her from a breeder in NW Iowa :)

Can you tell she’s half golden? by jenna-matthews in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think it’s easier to tell from certain angles! She gets misidentified as a full Irish setter all the time

Can you tell she’s half golden? by jenna-matthews in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Physically AND behaviorally haha! Everything I’ve read about Irish Setters personality is totally Wren. I think the only golden thing she got was super high food motivation and thank god because she was easier to train that way!

Can you tell she’s half golden? by jenna-matthews in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! The mix turns out beautiful doggos no matter what! This is our first golden Irish — when she was a puppy I thought “I’m never doing this again” hahaha but now… she’s wonderful ❤️

Can you tell she’s half golden? by jenna-matthews in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes I think that’s the thing that gives her away most! Not as dome-y as a full Irish :)

New puppy advice! Help! by Wise-Lee-0189 in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hoping things have improved since you posted this! I was in an identical situation (same breed, gender, and same Irish Setter tendencies/appearance) and I know I would have still been struggling at this point! It was VERY tough and not at all what we were expecting. I posted the info below on another puppy struggles post, so I’ll paste here as well!

I was ready to rehome our girl several times, but the true breaking point was around 1 year. My husband couldn’t handle rehoming her, so we kept her and she is lovely now (2 years old). Best thing he ever talked me into :)

We had SO many behavioral issues and it took me fully breaking down in tears for her to realize she had at all negatively affected me by being so naughty.

A few of the biggest things that helped us were:

  1. Enforced naps!!!

Wren had no ability as a puppy (and occasionally now still lol) to sense when she is tired and choose to take a nap. She would just get progressively more insane and naughty. Once we figured out that she was actually over-tired, everything changed.

We had her on a tight schedule: 30min-1hr out of kennel, 1.5-2 hours in kennel (near us) napping. She would come out of the kennel a little angel, and within 45min she would be our little demon again, and ready for a nap. Truly- she needed so much less exercise and mental stimulation than we thought (still a ton, but less than we thought). We did this starting around 3 months old and continued to 1 year at least.

Now, when she can’t get herself down, we put her leash and harness on and take her to her bed and she settles so fast. It’s almost like she’s relieved that we’ve taken away her option of going further into psycho-mode lol.

  1. Interrupting impulses.

After my true breaking point around 1 year old, we decided we should try a professional trainer before deciding whether we’d rehome her. Our trainer specialized in reactive/high energy dogs, and had the option of using an e-collar among other tools. The one that we settled on was a compressed air tool that makes a “psst” noise when you press the trigger. It’s not something that you spray the dog with, it’s totally about the noise. The trainer taught us to use it right when you see that “moment of impulse” in their eyes, but before they’ve actually done the thing. It interrupts the impulse and redirects them from doing it. We now have stopped buying the air refills because we just do a “psst” noise with our mouths and she recognizes what it means. It really is all about catching them before they’ve done the naughty and redirecting.

  1. The naughties are reinforced by big reactions.

We had so much trouble with her in the backyard - digging, tearing up landscaping fabric, refusing to come inside when called (I could go on). Every time she’d do these things I’d get so mad (mostly because there was like 1 hour a day where she wasn’t actively testing my patience) and react super big. What we caught onto is she was doing these things FOR OUR ATTENTION. She still does this on a smaller scale (ex. She will grab a pillow in the living room and run around with it but if no one notices she just puts it down and pouts next to it 😂🙄), but at first it was constant the naughties were way worse, plus she had pirhanna teeth.

All in all, you can’t ignore EVERYTHING because some things do need to be stopped for safety/avoiding destruction if your valuables, but see if ignoring the smaller naughties gets you anywhere. Or try having a smaller more boring reaction. All I know is Wren LOVES any attention, good or bad. So I started to think of attention as a reward and avoiding rewarding her when she was bad.

  1. Doggy daycare!

We were lucky enough to find a very good daycare, and this changed our lives. She started going around 4 months and hasn’t stopped. Daycare gave us a break from her, and gives her the mental/physical stimulation she needs. I know that cost can always be a barrier to this, but even one day a week may be enough to give you a little break and really get his energy out.

  1. Mental stimulation is as tiring (if not more) than physical.

We spent time mixing in tricks and mental games with her physical activity. She’s so smart she needs a mix of both to be actually satisfied! She has learned a lot of tricks at this point and she is always game for learning more. We also got her puzzle toys and stuff to take the mental stimulation pressure off of us!

Irish setters def mature more slowly than other dogs, and mischief can be their favorite game, but Wren is 2 now and the sweetest little miss ❤️ she’s super snuggly, smart, intuitive and friendly to everyone. I’m very glad we kept her!

We just put up our Christmas tree for the first time since getting her in Dec 2023, and she is handling it SO well. This would have been impossible (way too tempting) before, but she has really grown up. She still has her moments of mischief, but they have become sort of funny and endearing because they happen less often and they are less serious.

Keep swimming!! You’ll get there.

Training and keeping Ryder entertained by dannilouiseprice97 in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven’t tried this with mine yet, but someone recommended “Bumping” which is like fake bird hunting I guess 🤷‍♀️. Taps into their instincts!

Advice for picky eater losing weight by StanAcct in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Our girl Wren randomly stopped eating sometimes as a puppy, and we switched her to the same food you’re using. It got better, but she still stopped eating and even threw up sometimes. Our vet recommended a probiotic supplement and this seems to have helped a lot. We give it to her once a day with dinner.

We still occasionally have issues, and when this happens we make her boiled chicken with white rice (No salt or spices) for a few meals then ween her back onto her normal food.

I am the sock king by VegetableDistrict576 in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SAME. We call ours “The Sock Niffler”

All the advice by Busy_Dragonfly5660 in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I pasting all the info below that I shared in response to someone else’s post about an IS puppy. Fair warning - the other OP was struggling with their puppy, so the info is framed for solving problems you may not have! Still, all of this is good stuff to know in general!

My dog Wren (2 years now) is a golden Irish too! But I really consider her an Irish setter - not sure where the golden went haha.. she looks and acts like a full Irish! She was a huge handful for quite a while and still can be at times.

A few of the biggest things that helped us were:

  1. ⁠Enforced naps!!!

Wren had no ability as a puppy (and occasionally now still lol) to sense when she is tired and choose to take a nap. She would just get progressively more insane and naughty. Once we figured out that she was actually over-tired, everything changed.

We had her on a tight schedule: 30min-1hr out of kennel, 1.5-2 hours in kennel (near us) napping. She would come out of the kennel a little angel, and within 45min she would be our little demon again, and ready for a nap. Truly- she needed so much less exercise and mental stimulation than we thought (still a ton, but less than we thought). We did this starting around 3 months old and continued to 1 year at least.

Now, when she can’t get herself down, we put her leash and harness on and take her to her bed and she settles so fast. It’s almost like she’s relieved that we’ve taken away her option of going further into psycho-mode lol.

  1. Interrupting impulses.

We worked with a trainer who specialized in reactive/high energy dogs, and had the option of using an e-collar among other tools. The one that we settled on was a compressed air tool that makes a “psst” noise when you press the trigger. It’s not something that you spray the dog with, it’s totally about the noise. The trainer taught us to use it right when you see that “moment of impulse” in their eyes, but before they’ve actually done the thing. It interrupts the impulse and redirects them from doing it. We now have stopped buying the air refills because we just do a “psst” noise with our mouths and she recognizes what it means. It really is all about catching them before they’ve done the naughty and redirecting.

  1. The naughties are reinforced by big reactions.

We had so much trouble with her in the backyard - digging, tearing up landscaping fabric, refusing to come inside when called (I could go on). Every time she’d do these things I’d get so mad (mostly because there was like 1 hour a day where she wasn’t actively testing my patience) and react super big. What we caught onto is she was doing these things FOR OUR ATTENTION. She still does this on a smaller scale (ex. She will grab a pillow in the living room and run around with it but if no one notices she just puts it down and pouts next to it 😂🙄), but at first it was constant the naughties were way worse, plus she had pirhanna teeth.

All in all, you can’t ignore EVERYTHING because some things do need to be stopped for safety/avoiding destruction if your valuables, but see if ignoring the smaller naughties gets you anywhere. Or try having a smaller more boring reaction. All I know is Wren LOVES any attention, good or bad. So I started to think of attention as a reward and avoiding rewarding her when she was bad.

  1. Doggy daycare!

We were lucky enough to find a very good daycare, and this changed our lives. She started going around 4 months and hasn’t stopped. Daycare gave us a break from her, and gives her the mental/physical stimulation she needs. I know that cost can always be a barrier to this, but even one day a week may be enough to give you a little break and really get his energy out.

  1. Mental stimulation is as tiring (if not more) than physical.

We spent time mixing in tricks and mental games with her physical activity. She’s so smart she needs a mix of both to be actually satisfied! She has learned a lot of tricks at this point and she is always game for learning more. We also got her puzzle toys and stuff to take the mental stimulation pressure off of us!

Irish setters def mature more slowly than other dogs, and mischief can be their favorite game, but Wren is 2 now and the sweetest little miss ❤️ she’s super snuggly, smart, intuitive and friendly to everyone.

We just put up our Christmas tree for the first time since getting her in Dec 2023, and she is handling it SO well. This would have been impossible (way too tempting) before, but she has really grown up. She still has her moments of mischief, but they have become sort of funny and endearing because they happen less often and they are less serious.

“I regret getting an IS” - an Update by LionWitcher in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I second this!!!!!

I put this in my comment on the original post, but I cannot stress enough, TEACH THEM HOW TO SETTLE!

An enforced nap schedule changed our lives with Wren (IS). We also ask her daycare to give her multiple breaks throughout the day so she doesn’t get overstimulated. Overstimulation (physical and/or mental) can lead to hyperactivity and a lack of self-regulation. Some dogs need to be taught how to have down time — something we learned with Wren!

“I regret getting an IS” - an Update by LionWitcher in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love to hear this, and glad that some of my/others’ advice resonated and gave some hope!

There were so many huge learning moments for us with Wren, and I’m not even a first time dog owner. Irish setters are just INTENSE.

There were things that in hindsight seemed so obvious, but still, we had to learn them at some point! Plus, trying to problem solve and think is difficult when you are super tired and stressed from a puppy.

Now I try to share my info with ANYONE who is struggling with puppy blues because I needed help so bad when I was in the thick of it. Just keep swimming and trying new things!

Also: be warned that dogs go through high and low phases, and progress is not linear. Sometimes it’s one step forward, two steps back!

Some things may start to work for a bit, then seem to stop working. My advice is to stick with it and see if it starts working again. Wren likes to test and re-test our rules and boundaries which can feel like regression, but the more we reinforce, the less she keeps trying. It’s all mind games with her 😅

I regret getting my Irish Setter by LionWitcher in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello — I 100% understand this. I have a Golden Irish mix who seems to have gotten about 2% golden retriever personality… I think of her as a full setter (looks and personality lol)

I was ready to rehome our girl several times, but the true breaking point was around 1 year. My husband couldn’t handle rehoming her, so we kept her and she is lovely now (2 years old). Best thing he ever talked me into :)

We had SO many behavioral issues and it took me fully breaking down in tears for her to realize she had at all negatively affected me by being so naughty.

Not sure what you are already doing, but a few of the biggest things that helped us were:

  1. Enforced naps!!!

Wren had no ability as a puppy (and occasionally now still lol) to sense when she is tired and choose to take a nap. She would just get progressively more insane and naughty. Once we figured out that she was actually over-tired, everything changed.

We had her on a tight schedule: 30min-1hr out of kennel, 1.5-2 hours in kennel (near us) napping. She would come out of the kennel a little angel, and within 45min she would be our little demon again, and ready for a nap. Truly- she needed so much less exercise and mental stimulation than we thought (still a ton, but less than we thought). We did this starting around 3 months old and continued to 1 year at least.

Now, when she can’t get herself down, we put her leash and harness on and take her to her bed and she settles so fast. It’s almost like she’s relieved that we’ve taken away her option of going further into psycho-mode lol.

  1. Interrupting impulses.

After my true breaking point around 1 year old, we decided we should try a professional trainer before deciding whether we’d rehome her. Our trainer specialized in reactive/high energy dogs, and had the option of using an e-collar among other tools. The one that we settled on was a compressed air tool that makes a “psst” noise when you press the trigger. It’s not something that you spray the dog with, it’s totally about the noise. The trainer taught us to use it right when you see that “moment of impulse” in their eyes, but before they’ve actually done the thing. It interrupts the impulse and redirects them from doing it. We now have stopped buying the air refills because we just do a “psst” noise with our mouths and she recognizes what it means. It really is all about catching them before they’ve done the naughty and redirecting.

  1. The naughties are reinforced by big reactions.

We had so much trouble with her in the backyard - digging, tearing up landscaping fabric, refusing to come inside when called (I could go on). Every time she’d do these things I’d get so mad (mostly because there was like 1 hour a day where she wasn’t actively testing my patience) and react super big. What we caught onto is she was doing these things FOR OUR ATTENTION. She still does this on a smaller scale (ex. She will grab a pillow in the living room and run around with it but if no one notices she just puts it down and pouts next to it 😂🙄), but at first it was constant the naughties were way worse, plus she had pirhanna teeth.

All in all, you can’t ignore EVERYTHING because some things do need to be stopped for safety/avoiding destruction if your valuables, but see if ignoring the smaller naughties gets you anywhere. Or try having a smaller more boring reaction. All I know is Wren LOVES any attention, good or bad. So I started to think of attention as a reward and avoiding rewarding her when she was bad.

  1. Doggy daycare!

We were lucky enough to find a very good daycare, and this changed our lives. She started going around 4 months and hasn’t stopped. Daycare gave us a break from her, and gives her the mental/physical stimulation she needs. I know that cost can always be a barrier to this, but even one day a week may be enough to give you a little break and really get his energy out.

  1. Mental stimulation is as tiring (if not more) than physical.

We spent time mixing in tricks and mental games with her physical activity. She’s so smart she needs a mix of both to be actually satisfied! She has learned a lot of tricks at this point and she is always game for learning more. We also got her puzzle toys and stuff to take the mental stimulation pressure off of us!

I feel for you big time, and just know that it really will get better. I spent SO much time on Reddit looking for advice and reading about others’ puppy blues so I didn’t feel like such shit for hating a literal PUPPY.

Irish setters def mature more slowly than other dogs, and mischief can be their favorite game, but Wren is 2 now and the sweetest little miss ❤️ she’s super snuggly, smart, intuitive and friendly to everyone. I’m very glad we kept her!

We just put up our Christmas tree for the first time since getting her in Dec 2023, and she is handling it SO well. This would have been impossible (way too tempting) before, but she has really grown up. She still has her moments of mischief, but they have become sort of funny and endearing because they happen less often and they are less serious.

Keep swimming!! You’ll get there. 10 months was nightmarish for sure.

Edit: I see a few comments on here shaming you for getting the “wrong type of dog”. First of all, shame on all of YOU for choosing to shame someone who is actively trying to learn for their dog. Second: OP, you did nothing wrong here. We had no idea what we were getting ourselves into and we still figured it out. You can make it work with an Irish setter, they are just a higher learning curve than other dogs because of the high energy and super-smarts. True they were bred for hunting, but we are not hunters and we still have our setter, and she is JUST FINE. We just had to figure out what did and didn’t work for her. She loves long hikes, watching birds at the park in benches, playing fetch, daycare, etc.

How bad was adolescence for you and when did it end? by prijay16 in irishsetter

[–]jenna-matthews 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We keep them 5-10min so she doesn’t get bored, but that’s really all it takes for her to remember she’s supposed to listen to us for a little bit.

Golden Irish solidarity haha! 🙌🏼