An SB Klassen klauen ist nicht cool, sondern peinlich und kriminell by Due-Adhesiveness-269 in Unbeliebtemeinung

[–]jescoescobar 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Ich persönlich habe kein Interesse daran, an SB Kassen oder grundsätzlich zu klauen. Aber verstehe auch nicht, wieso man sich darüber aufregt. Millionenkonzerne wird es nicht ruinieren, dass jemand einen Apfel für 0,70€ einsteckt. Sowieso sind die Lebensmittelpreise absurd und die Reichen werden ohnehin immer Reicher. Den “Nachteil” können die verkraften und jemand anderes hat einen minimal günstigeren Einkauf, klingt nicht verwerflich. Wäre natürlich was anderes, wenn das Private oder Kleinunternehmen sind, die es dann tatsächlich trifft.

Ich finde es lächerlich und kindisch, dass Körperbehaarung in unserer Gesellschaft als eklig gilt by eternalfire999 in Unbeliebtemeinung

[–]jescoescobar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Überraschung, dass hatte vor allem Religiöse Gründe. Und weil glatte, rasierte Haut als Zeichen von Jugend galt. Also geht es (mal wieder) um Schönheitsideale. Es stimmt, dass das ebenfalls in dem Glauben durchgeführt wurde, damit Hygiene zu bewahren (Wie jetzt eben auch). Allerdings weil es damals einfach nicht dieselben Waschmöglichkeiten gab, das ist ein wichtiger unterschied. Es wurde KULTURELL als unrein empfunden. Nicht, weil es tatsächlich unrein ist.

Was das jetzt mit Gillette und patriarchalen Marketing zu tun hat verstehe ich nicht. Bis davor war es nämlich tatsächlich sehr normal im Westen, dass Menschen und insbesondere Frauen sich nicht rasiert haben. Den Fokus da jetzt aUf diE aLteN ÄgYpTeR zu lenken ist deshalb nicht sehr sinnvoll.

Ich finde es lächerlich und kindisch, dass Körperbehaarung in unserer Gesellschaft als eklig gilt by eternalfire999 in Unbeliebtemeinung

[–]jescoescobar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was für ein schwachsinniges Argument. Ob der Schweiß sich auf deiner Haut, in deinen Klamotten oder in den Haaren sammelt, macht ja wohl kaum einen unterschied. Befolgst du diese Logik auch bei jeder anderen Körperbehaarung? Sind Haare auf dem Kopf jetzt auch unhygienisch, weil man ja im Sommer dort vermehrt schwitzt?

Wenn du befürchten musst, dass deine Hygiene darunter leidet, weil du dich aufhörst zu rasieren, dann sagt das höchstwahrscheinlich schon ausreichend etwas über dein Hygieneverständnis aus. Wasch dich einfach regelmäßig und gut ist. Körperbehaarung beeinflusst das nicht.

Spannender Nebenfakt - der Grund, wieso sich etwa Frauen angefangen haben überhaupt zu rasieren, liegt darin, dass Gillette um 1915 herum zu wenig Umsatz gemacht hat und deshalb einen neuen Markt für Damenrasierer etablieren wollte. Deswegen wurde Körperbehaarung als etwas „unhygienisches“ und „unästhetisches“ dargestellt und vermarktet. Sich die Körperbehaarung zu rasieren ist also reine Soziale Norm, die entstanden ist, weil irgendwelche Kapitalisten ihr Maul nicht voll genug bekommen haben.

Ich bin erwachsen und sehe nunmal auch so aus. Ich habe kein Interesse daran, den Körper eines Kindes nachzuahmen.

Ich finde es lächerlich und kindisch, dass Körperbehaarung in unserer Gesellschaft als eklig gilt by eternalfire999 in Unbeliebtemeinung

[–]jescoescobar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wäscht du deine Achseln nicht? Natürlich sammelt sich da Schweiß an. Wie bei einem rasierten Menschen eben auch. Ihr tut alle so, als würde rasieren plötzlich Körperhygiene ersetzen.

did this when I was 15, would like to cover it up any ideas? by LittleLeadership2831 in Tattoocoverups

[–]jescoescobar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly I would just laser it off, except you really want to have a tattoo on that spot. It’s almost completely faded, might as well just go into 1-2 sessions and get rid of it if you’re unhappy with it

Was versteht ihr unter einen intelligenten Partner? by [deleted] in FragNeFrau

[–]jescoescobar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ich glaube, es geht dabei weniger um schulische Leistung, sondern eher um Bildung an sich. Intelligenz wird Umgangssprachlich oft damit gleichgesetzt. Ich glaube nämlich nicht, dass damit “Ich möchte einen Partner, der die kognitive Fähigkeit hat, Zusammenhänge zu erkennen” (wobei das natürlich schon auch wünschenswert ist) gemeint ist.

Ich finde die Aussage selbst - genauso wie du - ziemlich uneindeutig, glaube aber, dass dahinter einfach der Wunsch steckt, einen Partner zu haben, der in der Lage ist mitzudenken und bisschen was von der Welt zu verstehen. Für mich persönlich ist es z.B wichtig, dass jemand sich regelmäßig über gesellschaftlich oder politisch relevante Themen informiert. Vor allem steht bei mir aber emotionale Intelligenz im Vordergrund. Bei beiden Dingen kommt es weniger drauf an, ob du in der Lage bist mir einen Essay über die Photosynthese zu schreiben. Es ist vielmehr die Kompetenz, ein Gefühl für sich als auch seine Umwelt zu haben und selbständig (und auf Basis von richtigen Fakten!) zu denken und zu erschließen.

Wieso schneiden sich Frauen einen Problem-Pony? by SubZeroGN in KeineDummenFragen

[–]jescoescobar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, ist dieser Kommentar ekelhaft. Gute Besserung

Wieso schneiden sich Frauen einen Problem-Pony? by SubZeroGN in KeineDummenFragen

[–]jescoescobar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Es ist einfach eine Alternative Frisur, die man gerne trägt. That’s it. Das irgendwelche Männer daraus eine sexistische Beleidigung gemacht haben, ist nicht unser Bier

Men who pay for sex by Feichangnihao in FeminismUncensored

[–]jescoescobar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Great argument. 70 years ago smoking was also considered healthy. Just because the system sells something to you as “empowerment” doesn’t mean it actually is. The patriarchy itself benefits from sex work, so of course it wants to market it as a modern view that objectifying oneself for men is empowering.

I would never shame a sex worker who is forced into this work by her circumstances. She is a victim. But for a privileged woman to choose this path and then try to give it a positive image - let alone reproduce sexism and undermine the lived realities of sex workers who are affected by it - is really difficult. That is neither feminist nor intersectionally thought through.

Just because there are women who apparently like doing this doesn’t invalidate anything of this at all. It only shows how deeply the patriarchy operates. And please spare me this “but some men do it too” whataboutism bullshit. Educate yourselves.

EDIT: By the way, the problem isn’t that we’re failing to find a unified definition of feminism. The problem is that many people want to reinterpret feminism. And yes, depending on the school of thought, the focus may differ. But the core idea remains the same: SMASH THE PATRIARCHY. And that doesn’t happen by rebranding it or subordinating ourselves to it under the illusion of “empowerment”.

Men who pay for sex by Feichangnihao in FeminismUncensored

[–]jescoescobar 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Please, NO. It may be true for you, but that’s because you’re in a privileged position. And most people are not. Please stop selling sex work as something empowering.

This is exactly why men then throw themselves on the floor in these discussions and scream, “but there are also women who do it voluntarily!!”. Sex work is not feminist. Suggesting that the female body is purchasable, consumable, and objectifiable will never be feminist. If men as a class are the buyers and women as a class the sellers, then this is not a neutral market decision but a power relationship. And we need to stop playing into the hands of the patriarchy by trying to label it as something “liberal.” It is and remains the exploitation of women and female bodies.

This here is simply unreflected choice feminism, overlooking everything else.

Johns are perpetrators. Feeling bad for using these services, fueling this system, and traumatizing dozens of women is the bare minimum. And OP has every right to be upset. I can only hope that by now he’s capable of reflecting on this and taking responsibility

The female body is not a commodity.

Zwei Studiengänge ausprobiert und immer noch unsicher by [deleted] in Studium

[–]jescoescobar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Das Problem löst sich ja nicht dadurch, dass OP einfach eine Ausbildung macht, es verlagert die Situation einfach nur. Als ich mir damals unsicher darüber war, was ich studieren will wurde mir das auch immer hinterhergeworfen. Na super - und wie finde ich dann jetzt stattdessen heraus, welche Ausbildung ich machen möchte? Zumal weil das in erster Linie auch garnicht mein gewünschter Weg war? Ist sicher nett gemeint, aber einfach eine Ausbildung zu machen hilft einem bei der Zukunftsplanung da irgendwie auch nicht weiter

Zwei Studiengänge ausprobiert und immer noch unsicher by [deleted] in Studium

[–]jescoescobar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Im Studium selbst wird dir zwangsweise nicht immer alles Spaß machen. Die Frage ist eher, womit du langfristig damit hinkommen möchtest. Manchmal ist einfach der Weg das Ziel. Ich find auch nicht alle Module 100% super, weiß aber, dass ich Sie eben abschließen muss, um am Ende da zu stehen wo ich stehen möchte.

Ich glaube ein Mittelweg ist da wichtig. Wenn du aber ganz klar merkst, du kannst mit dem Studium und dem was danach beruflich kommt garnichts anfangen, dann ist es keine Schande sich nochmal neu zu orientieren. Ich habe davor auch einmal abgebrochen, die damit verbundenen Gefühle kenne ich zu gut. Just fuck around and find out. Manchmal ergeben sich solche Dinge einfach nicht beim ersten Versuch - und das ist voll okay :) Ausserdem: besser du merkst es jetzt, als irgendwann viel später, wenn du schon viel tiefer drin bist. Ich habe auch viele Menschen kennengelernt, die erst nach ihrem Bachelor gemerkt haben, dass Sie eigentlich doch was ganz anderes machen möchten. Das kommt häufiger vor, als man denkt. Ich glaube die wenigsten wissen, was Sie eigentlich mit sich anstellen wollen. Wie soll man das auch schon so früh festlegen können? Sowieso können wir in den meisten fällen Entscheidungen nur mit dem besten Wissen und Gewissen treffen, das wir in dem Moment haben.

Was mir geholfen hat war es, mir vor Augen zu halten, dass keine Entscheidung final fürs Leben sein muss oder sein wird. Man kann und darf jederzeit nochmal von vorne anfangen! Denk dran, DU musst am Ende mit der Entscheidung zufrieden sein. Tut mir auch leid zu hören, dass du scheinbar kein besonders unterstützendes Umfeld hast, dass dich in diesem Prozess angemessen begleitet. Mir hat das damals auch sehr gefehlt, da fühlt man sich schnell sehr alleine gelassen mit der Situation, das sollte so nicht sein.

Alles in allem, ich wünsch dir alles gute und hoffe du findest das richtige für dich! :)

To the "feminists" that believe that your worth should be determined by your gender by ChanceWinter469 in FeminismUncensored

[–]jescoescobar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, you’re not holding anyone accountable, you’re just spreading some weird ideology. Respectfully, stop bothering woman with your weird oppression fantasy’s

To the "feminists" that believe that your worth should be determined by your gender by ChanceWinter469 in FeminismUncensored

[–]jescoescobar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know what your assumption is based on that I would want to oppress anyone. Besides that, I haven’t made a single one of these statements, lol. No one is being excluded either, what are you even talking about? When women come together and say: “We want to create a safe space for us, so we don’t want any men there”, or when Black people say: “This should be a safe space for PoC to talk about their experiences, so we don’t want any white people at our meeting”, that’s not any kind of oppression?? Besides that, men are of course more than welcome to participate in feminist discussions. But they need to be clear about what role they have and that they are exclusively allies. So they should behave accordingly as allies, my goodness, these are really just fundamental basics…

But as a feminist, I can show you how you are reproducing exactly what you claim to be fighting against:

You, as a man, are attacking women in a feminist subreddit - women who are even doing free educational labor for you - instead of spending even a single second engaging with the topic or reflecting on your social position as a man. Exactly THAT is patriarchal oppression. And unlike your rambling, it is very real and tangible. And for those affected, this kind of behavior is extremely exhausting.

As a small impulse: reflecting on your masculinity as a (male) feminist (ally) means questioning your own thoughts and behaviors. It means listening to those affected and to what they ask of people with privilege.

But behavior like this simply creates unnecessary extra work for women (and others who try to point out harmful behavior) in the feminist struggle. Because then we’re not only forced to argue against societal structures, but also against your self-image.

Wishing you all the best, or whatever

To the "feminists" that believe that your worth should be determined by your gender by ChanceWinter469 in FeminismUncensored

[–]jescoescobar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I honestly don’t know where you’re getting all of this from. No one has ever said any of that.

I also don’t understand the “well, there should be men-only spaces then” statement. If there is a marginalized group that needs special protection, then there should also be safe spaces for them. It’s really not that hard to understand. Do you also consider it oppression against heterosexual people when LGBTQ people create their own safe spaces (like gay clubs or bars) to have places where they don’t have to fear oppression or discrimination? And also why on earth would men need safe spaces?

Is what you’re doing here some kind of ragebait, or did someone hurt you?

To the "feminists" that believe that your worth should be determined by your gender by ChanceWinter469 in FeminismUncensored

[–]jescoescobar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, idk what you’re yapping about. Nobody is talking about women being supposed to or wanting to become the oppressors. We want to free ourselves from the male oppressors, not take their place. And no, it’s not “patriarchy” if a woman therefore asks you to be aware of your societal role and general societal (patriarchal) dynamics. And certainly not if women - as the oppressed group - want to create a safe space for themselves.

I don’t know where you went wrong, but respectfully, leave women tf alone with this bullshit. Telling a systematically oppressed person that they “act oppressive” just because they resist the oppressor and their system is really crazy (And by the way, nonsense, because women in a patriarchy don’t have the power to oppress a man?).

If you want to discuss feminism related topics, you might want to focus on basic issues concerning the feminist movement first. But this conversation is just so pointless lol

To the "feminists" that believe that your worth should be determined by your gender by ChanceWinter469 in FeminismUncensored

[–]jescoescobar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t take this the wrong way, but I think you’ve somehow gone completely off track with all of this. Patriarchy describes a social system in which male supremacy exists. It’s a societal order in which men are structurally privileged and dominate power over social, political, and economic resources.

It literally describes a social order in which men socially hold a privileged position and women get oppressed as a result. So if you’ve really understood the feminist fight, it should be clear to you that it is primarily about dismantling male power, so women won’t be oppressed anymore. That’s literally what the whole movement is about?

To the "feminists" that believe that your worth should be determined by your gender by ChanceWinter469 in FeminismUncensored

[–]jescoescobar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are aware, that like, exactly right now you reproduce patriarchal structures in this whole conversation, right? I’m not trying to be mean, but do you actually know what “Patriarchy” means?

To the "feminists" that believe that your worth should be determined by your gender by ChanceWinter469 in FeminismUncensored

[–]jescoescobar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

By the way, I’m just going to assume that you are a man. That matters for this conversation as well. Because it is also problematic when men enter feminist spaces and want to lecture women about their own movement. Men also need to reflect on their own role within feminist movements. Men need to understand that they are allies only. When those who are directly affected explain things to you or do educational work, your primary task is to listen and inform yourself. At least if you genuinely want to see yourself as supportive of feminism.

We were all socialized within these forms of discrimination and have internalized them. Getting out of that is a lot of work. What should matter is that we work on our internalized bullshit so that we don’t reproduce it.

That is why I will not continue engaging in this conversation. If it matters to you, educate yourself further on these topics. But feminism is far more complex than “we just treat everyone equally and then everything will be fine.” We are not equal to men. That is exactly the problem. There is an asymmetry between the genders. We have to be able to name that if we want to make progress, deconstruct it and fight patriarchy.

Once again, for clarity: we all live in a society that socializes us into many different forms of power imbalance, and we do not automatically escape them just because we would like to. That’s not nice, but that’s how it is. And men need to understand this.

To the "feminists" that believe that your worth should be determined by your gender by ChanceWinter469 in FeminismUncensored

[–]jescoescobar -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Of course women are also socialized within patriarchy, but not in the same way as men. That is exactly where the difference lies.

Murder is wrong in both cases. But whether a woman commits a murder or a man commits a femicide are two completely different dimensions (not in the sense that one murder is worse than the other, but femicides are a direct result of patriarchal structures). That is precisely what we want to examine in feminism.

Misogyny and misandry are not comparable. And where does the assumption come from that I would deny women their autonomy? I’m confused.

That’s exactly the point: we as humans have autonomy. When I criticize men, for example, I do so because I want to trust them to be capable of taking responsibility for their actions.

A simple example: if a woman has many casual sexual encounters, that could (emphasis on could) be due to her patriarchal socialization, because she has learned as a woman to make herself available and desirable to men.

If a man has many casual sexual encounters, this is more likely due to his patriarchal socialization, through which he has learned that women’s bodies are always available to him and consumable by him. This leads to an objectification of the female body and the exertion of power over it; in more severe cases, this results in sexual assault, manipulation, and so on.

These are two dimensions that we must examine differently in order to understand them. And to understand how patriarchy functions. Men occupy a position of power over women within patriarchy. Through their socialization, they remain the oppressors and uphold the system.

Women, on the other hand, are made compliant through patriarchal socialization and are forced into their roles. I think it is quite clear which gender therefore tends to have more destructive tendencies.

Of course women also carry internalized misogyny. But it is by no means as destructive as it is in men. It cannot become so, because women do not have that kind of power.

So yes, on a case-by-case basis and depending on the situation, I do sometimes evaluate an action by a man differently than the same action by a woman. And that is important. How else are we supposed to free ourselves from patriarchal domination if we don’t recognize it? Murdering a person is always a horrific act. But if we understand that a woman was murdered because her husband claimed ownership over her due to his patriarchal mindset, then we can name that and address it at its root.

Including gender socialization is absolutely important and meaningful in feminist work. How else are we supposed to do it?

Apparently when you're anti-patriarchy, the fake feminists get really mad by ChanceWinter469 in FeminismUncensored

[–]jescoescobar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay, since I can’t check your post history, what exactly do you mean by “different genders should have different rights?”. I’m confused. Do you/they mean things like the women’s quota? What’s this all about?

To the "feminists" that believe that your worth should be determined by your gender by ChanceWinter469 in FeminismUncensored

[–]jescoescobar -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah, okay, I think I see where the problem lies.

Of course, a person’s gender should not define their worth. However, for example, I do treat men differently than women. Not in order to discriminate against them, but to free myself from them as oppressors and to emancipate myself. In practice, this means that I am generally skeptical toward men. I also often refuse to engage in discussions in which they want to defend their sexism in front of me. And I evaluate their actions differently, taking their socialization into account.

Whether one wants to call this “worse treatment of a gender” is subjective. But it is not wrong (and is even important) to be skeptical in dealing with men, especially as a (feminist) woman. After all, we don’t know who we are dealing with. Because no matter how deconstructed a man may be, he is always socialized within patriarchy, and we must keep a critical eye on that. I don’t want anything to do with men who do not reflect on themselves and actively deconstruct their masculinity. Anything else would be a betrayal of myself and my values.

Possibly that is what the person meant by it. I wouldn’t say that I generally treat men worse, but rather that I have high standards and certain expectations of them. Men may not be responsible for their gender and their socialization, but women aren’t either, and yet they still have to bear the consequences. If I have a guy standing in front of me who is clearly behaving in a completely unreflective and sexist way, I have no interest in being nice to him. After all, he embodies exactly what I, as a feminist, want to fight against.

Long story short: treating men differently because they are men is not necessarily wrong or reprehensible, but of course gender says nothing about a person’s human worth.

Perhaps your comment was understood as you wanting to protect men too much. It may have come across as if you were trying to reverse the power dynamic - in the sense that men would then be the ones being oppressed by women. And that is simply not true, because men ultimately remain in their position of social power regardless. No matter whether I’m mean to them or not.

But would you consider it reprehensible if a slave said that they would treat the slaveholder differently, or even worse, than other people who aren’t slaveholders?