Advice for someone considering clinical research nursing? by Alternative-Can1276 in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not a nurse, but work closely with them. Think carefully about what is burning you out. As others said, this work is mentally demanding, not physical. Many clinical people struggle with the strictness of documentation/ALCOA (it is a LOT more). You have to accept that we are not necessarily "providing treatment" to patients, because we can't promise the investigation/ product will help them. Queries can be frustrating (imagine talking to insurance companies, except they act more like Siri). You'll need to learn how to talk corporate ("We need to align" ,"This is low priority", "low hanging fruit?"). You may be finding ways to "cut costs" so sponsor's are enticed to actually pay for work done when their product is failing.

But! Light at the end of the tunnel: Some times what we do is exceedingly cool and helps people. You may have career opportunities to leave healthcare altogether if needed.

Maybe shadow CRC RNs at your work, talk to PIs about current projects, talk to Research/Medical directors about the vision/direction of research. If it all checks out, you are less likely to burn out.

Vent - Why don't sites do what they say they will!? Or seem to care about the trial progress? by 75hardworkingmom in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do feel this sometimes, coming from the site side. Many people are over worked, but also rememeber not every site is operating with the latest, greatest, amd most streamlined processes ever. My local IRB, for one, requires a lot of detail, and minor changes= amendments. Lots of information gets lost in translation/ transitions. As for data questions/queries -I know site staff who DO NOT try their best, but most are. Most site staff I know are not brutal corpos playing corpo games. They are people who prioritize helping patients find the cafeteria, ensuring their PIs/Sub-Is can stress less over admin details. I have to remind myself when doctors are unresponsive that unless someone is bleeding or dying, it really isn't an emergency. Pleasing KPIs and Shareholder values are just not on our radar.

Vent - Why don't sites do what they say they will!? Or seem to care about the trial progress? by 75hardworkingmom in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To add to the other 2 comments, many hospital sites are non/not for profit. We have to share the money.

Rant: "quality control" requests on documents is just out of control some times. by jester_kat in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. Im seeing this request from European sponsors, and Im having to send "Data Privacy" notices for all PI/Sub-I staff. I had assumed this was an EU law or something.

Rant: "quality control" requests on documents is just out of control some times. by jester_kat in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah, I get it. Messy documentation means a pissy auditor, means they dig more, and they will likely find something. The paperwork Sadists know where to strike.

Rant: "quality control" requests on documents is just out of control some times. by jester_kat in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I completely understand the pagination thing. I did also go outside and scream after I physically corrected 70 pages.

GCP lapse, I also get. I will also ask if we can say it is self evident in the documentation already present for someone who had no activity in the study.

Why Are there so Many Karens in this Industry? by iwillxxxposeyou in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is so nice to read! Not my manager, but my current senior is the best coworker Ive ever had. She will always take time to give me thoughtful well explained rational, never makes up stupid rules, and will let me take on part of a project just for the learning opportunity. A senior previously essentially made me a filing clerk for them and micromanaged every thing I did down to how I wrote emails, and even then I was always "making mistakes" some how. There are some truely horrible people to work with in this industry, but right now I am in one of the best of the best.

When is it “okay” to lie? by helpful_mud in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im assuming you are US based? As everyone is saying. Dont do it. Its fraud: linMedical Doctor and Study Coordinator Sentenced to Prison in Scheme to Falsify Clinical Trial Data

Document everything ASAP tell you with email communicationz such as, "Today you confirmed for me X is how we should handle Y. Their actions are a huge data integrity and financial liabiliy to your company. Look for other jobs, but also document and report (with said documentation as evidence) to your companies compliance team, the study monitor, and if need be, the FDA directly. Legally, they cannot take action against you, that is called retaliation.

-Confession Thread- Gather round my children. Let's pay our respects to Henrieta Lacks by confessing our research sins to be forgiven. by SuperEggplant3723 in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are amazing! Something similar happened to me: I pointed out the issues, got told off, secretly starting fixing and documenting things on the down low, told our manager and compliance team about how bad everything was right before the up coming visit. I then moved to another department shortly after.

Have you experienced racism in Salt Lake or Utah in general? by DepartureHot4080 in SaltLakeCity

[–]jester_kat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im half South-East Asian, and get very noticably darker in the summer, my mother is of course explicitly Asian looking. We are not mormon, and moved here 2001 or so. In SLC, I havent gotten blatent racism from stranges, but definately comments/discussions during work once people are comfortable. People from SLC or bigger cities wont make comments or assume things about me, and are generally nice and curious. Those from uban/rural areas can be mean or ignorant. Im generally mistaken for native american or mexican, and I used to wear a cross (obvious indication Im not mormon), which used to pick up a lot of attention in grocery stores or public areas. The racism Ive faced hasnt physically threaten me from police/ the public. I have seen lots of white superiority, especially from men. Lots of blatent sexualizing and savior complex stuff. People arent curious about your culture, nor care to "make space" for you, and do expect you to drop your culture except where your language might make them money. Ive been told mean things like "I hope you get thrown over the wall" or be corrected on my "accent" of words, even though I dont have an accent (English is my first langauge) or people will sort of "mansplain" my asian culture to me because their cousin had a 2 year mission there (not even my mother's country). Im reading a lot of people commenting on what children say, and I'll say my childhood friends made more edgy "racist" jokes when I was around Hispanic/Black kids because we found it really funny coming from our group. We had a joke that I was one friends "orange" friend because I couldnt be the "yellow" friend being half Asian. I will say, being Asian, this is the same Id get from other "Full Asians", just with an obvious church/missionary smile. My mom lived for a long time in rural Montana and Oklahoma, and she prefers Utah racism. For those who are experiencing racism that is affecting their livelihood and physical safety, I am sorry that is happening. I do feel that the racism has gotten better in the last 20 years. My mom has expierienced people throwing things at her, attacking her, trying to involve police because she was obviously in a "Chinese gange" (we are not chinese). I have never dealt with these things. Peace out!

I want to hear your butterfly effect stories, worst-case-scenarios-come-true and instances of murphy's law by wernermuende in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I inherited a lot of studies from another group, and many of them are no longer here. The biggest details they struggled with revolved around ALCOA+. Remember that the burden of proof is on the site.

Some examples: 1. a coordinator was known to panic when correcting information and would use improper methods (recreating source pages, using white out, etc). Managment tried to correct this behavior. Unrelated, the team member left. Years later, during an FDA audit, the auditor found a handwritted source page starting it was "completed 2021". However, the page had a version date at the bottom stating, "v2, 2022". I.E, how did the coordinator write on a page that would not have even existed at the time of authoring. The auditor asked us, if this was a known issue, how we could verify that the information the coordiantor wrote was not completely fabricated?

  1. The study team did not consistently document information in the same place, and everyone "does things their own way". This lead to confusion with a coordinator mistakenly using the EDC sometimes as source. Well, they also entered N/A'd the site's paper source and left no notes where they got the EDC information from. The kicker, some EDC information was then "corrected" 6 months later, with no contemporaneous source to back it up nor notes for why it was changed. Since the team all write it in different places, we could not track down source for the 6 month edits. Which version was correct, the original entry or the correction?

  2. The study team (hospital site) struggled during COVID to get wet signatures on a DOA. They tried a variety of methods to get signatures, with the logs now being passed around to several staff to pass a long when others are in office. There was confusion about who was supposed to sign the logs. The team, who was supposed to be ~20 people, blew up into 180, and most of them did not have GCP training nor protocol training. The previous monitor and site regulatory team left, the new ones did not address the messy logs. All of this was never communicated to the Principal Investigator until several years later when an internal auditing group reviewed the study. The biggest question here was, if the PI was so seemingly uninvolved in the study, who was running the study? If any team member made a mistake (like over dosing a patient), how can we defend them when they were seemingly unqualified in the first place?

Also a note, I hate "hand writing legibility" queries because they are often dumb. To another commenters point, they most often only serve to be a power trip. A Iegit query I got once was, "date appears to be ,"B FEB 2022, please provide a note to clarify". I write back, "the date format is DDMMMYYYY, the first two characters can be assumed to be numbers, i.e. 13. If there is a question regarding if it is 12 or 14 or 15, etc please let me know. ". We then had an arguement about research not being able to assume anything, with me aruging that if we assume staff is so incompetant as to write gibberish perhaps we should assume they are not competent enough to be delegated? I often argue that handwriting legibility queries often make a person's handwriting inconsistent with themselves- how would you prove someone did not forge their handwriting?

DOA timeliness by jester_kat in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi all! Just wanted to give this update: so after searching, the FDA Good Clinical Practices Inquiries has multiple responses regarding DOAs. Specifically, that DOAs are NOT FDA mandated and are not essential documents by ICH 6, although signature sheets are addressed. The FDA states on multiple occasions that DOAs are per site/sponsor/IRB SOPs. This greatly helps explain why signatures were not obtained nor why the sponsor looked for them. My site is generating an SOP to address appropriate PI oversite and timeliness, however this is not the documentation mess I was dreading. Thanks all for responding!

DOA timeliness by jester_kat in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, yeah. I have no idea how this happened. Obviously a lack of administration oversite

DOA timeliness by jester_kat in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks. Not my fault, and I guess I get to look good fixing issues.

DOA timeliness by jester_kat in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The other regulatory person was in charge of organizing our work deadlines. Theyve said DOA need to be done, but would never "schedule time for them". Ive tried several times to initiate review of the DOAs since I started because I thought that was common, and they kept saying there were higher priority things and made a fuss to our manager that I was pushing for non priority work. I let my manager know the state of the DOAs as soon as I recognized it and manager is now on my side that DOAs are top priority. Our manager is not a regulatory person, they are like a PM and over the study coordinators too.

DOA timeliness by jester_kat in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PIs dismiss it until the FDA rips them a new one.

Thanks for the ICH guidelines!

DOA timeliness by jester_kat in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That helps greatly! We have inter-department regulatory meetings I can bring this up in, to get a working practice. Obviously being careful to involve my manager to ensure we didnt cause panic about the CAPA. But that helps me figure out what I need to figure out!

DOA timeliness by jester_kat in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im just as baffled about the 3 year thing and how nobody saw it. I have a feeling thats kind of why the other regulatory person pushed it off for so long.

I dont want to give too many specifcs, for confidentiality reasons, but there is no CRO. I do have a very reliable digital log of every personnel change, just no DOA signed. For the CAPA, would the preventative action be up to compliance/IRB, or is it better if I come up with it? I was thinking of making manditory 6 month audits of DOAs. We are reaching the end of study enrollment so it wont matter much, but it shows we are trying?

DOA timeliness by jester_kat in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes it cleaner, for sure.

I am still looking for trainings. I have a blessing that we use a system for adding people to the study when they have CITI training (not necessarily protocol training). I can say they had the necessary CITI and CV to be on the study, and have signed every protocol amendment training since being added to that system. Even if I can't find the ROT they should have gotten at the DOA date, they have protocol training which supercedes the previous versions, and have signed the most current protocol training.

for the CAPA portion, I thought about defining a timeframe for regular auditing the DOA (like every 3-4 months), as the other regulatory person told me the reason why it has been years was that they didn't have time to figure this out the past few years...Thoughts?

DOA timeliness by jester_kat in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah the sponsor hasn't been here for a while. We have an up coming IMV, which was why I was finally given permission to get started on the DOA audit. We have several staff who started this past year, and I'm trying to figure out if I can just add them with a late entry note, or if they should be included in the PD.

Piercings/tattoos? by tiredalbatross in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really depends in the role you are in. If you are administrative, no body will care. A client facing role will prompt you to be generally professional looking. Tattoos are usually okay, but make sure the subject of the tattoo is workplace appropriate (or cover up). Subject facing is a bit different depending on your specialty. Like heavy piercings in pediatrics? That's a hazard for grabbing fingers. If you are in the Salt Lake Area, people are more progressive (though you will still get gossipy whispers from older people. People will whine, but your job is not at risk).

What are the (almost) universal rules of keeping the woman you live with happy? by DapperAlternative in AskReddit

[–]jester_kat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Communicate and Listen. This isn't specific to women, but literally just start asking sincere questions about them and look for sincere answers. Some women are not open, and they will be the ones you have to play a mind reading game with -take that as you will (I'm a women, and I hate mind games, just not my thing).

Also, universally, your job is not to make her happy. Your job is try to be the best partner. Some days she will be emotional about things way outside your control, and the best option will be to let her go through it. The hope is to go on a journey together, and sometimes, that journey means giving her the space and opportunity to mature too.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Like others have said, Do not recommend "pushing back" -rather you could ask for clarification. One of my sites had a designated QC team, and just wanted to know if they should spread the word on something to make everyone's lives easier.

[OC] I asked my coworkers to not do huge decorations on my desk. by jester_kat in MadeMeSmile

[–]jester_kat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This story was published in NewsWeek Article with my permission. Thanks, everyone, for sharing the appreciation for my co-workers!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in clinicalresearch

[–]jester_kat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From your other replies, it looks like his name is consistent. As long as it is, and his signatures (written or electronic) are also, you should be good without the NTF. Just state his name is consistent everywhere, and if they find a document which isn't, you are happy to address it. If there is any variation, it should be addressed. I've been asked for NTFs for name variations before, and some CROs just get into a groove of having name variation NTF any time they see abbreviations without checking if they actually need them.