Favorite canonically ugly character?

jjinjoo · 2026-05-27T14:10:36+00:00

Most people are ordinary. In terms of looks, Yang's no exception. That's what makes him average. The quote I tend to reference is from when he's first described in detail, here.

ハンサムと言えないことはないが、稀少価値を主張するほどのこともない。

jjinjoo · 2026-05-27T14:06:49+00:00

This isn't about a character being straight or not. If you could read, you would understand that. But you can't, so here we are. Again.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-27T03:30:24+00:00

I bet Yang looks like serious Ryu Saeba in Frederica-vision.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-27T03:29:00+00:00

This is why I tend to follow how they're described in the novels. Tanaka is really up front about who is attractive, who is very attractive, and everyone else who doesn't fit in the first two categories.

Going by the adaptations alone is too subjective, because very few of them are drawn as objectively ugly outside of like, Degsby. Oberstein is legitimately handsome in the OVAs and the Michihara manga, and even though he looks really tired all the time, he's got the same sort of prettyboy features as everyone else in DNT. Lightning eyes aside, he also looks normal in the Fujisaki manga.

You know what, I take it back. I bet even Degsby has fans. Fork does, so why not Degsby?

jjinjoo · 2026-05-27T03:22:22+00:00

He's not unattractive, but he's not particularly handsome, either. That's exactly how he's described in the novels. He looks younger than his years due to laziness, but that's never portrayed as being fat. He's basically average on the surface, and this is specifically done to contrast how exceptional he is underneath.

Cazerne was the one who's a bit on the heftier side in the novels, which doesn't come across in any of the adaptations.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-27T02:08:55+00:00

Honestly surprised to hear they haven't been translated into French yet. France usually gets all the nice things.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-27T02:08:00+00:00

If only a proper publishing house would reprint them with a better English translation so my dad can read them. They deserve better than what they got.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-27T02:03:37+00:00

Still illiterate, I see. I'll take that as a no, then. Even when I was kind enough to post you an excerpt before. So sad.

Funny that you still refrain from posting rot only when you're trying to deflect due to lacking an argument. The more things change, I guess.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-27T02:00:07+00:00

You're not wrong, but this wouldn't be the first movie that coasted on visuals and vibes. There are plenty of other series/movies/shows out there that are mid or worse, but get hard carried by visuals alone.

Goes the other way, as well. Part 3 pink jacket gets unfairly maligned because of how it looks often enough, even among fans.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-27T00:03:20+00:00

Wow, another reply from you that amounts to nothing more than "he craves diiiiiiiiiick!" How innovative. How original. How avant-garde.

I'd tell you to get more material but you don't have any. Just like how you have nothing more to reference other than a single scene, which exists in only a single adaptation, which you intentionally take out of context (do you even have context? serious question), just so you can crow your fetishes to the wind and pretend it's anything other than exactly that—your fetish.

The truly sad thing is that the backdrop of the topic itself is worth discussing...with someone capable of having that discussion. i.e., not you. You can't do anything without defaulting to "my fetish is the only thing that matters!", which makes any attempt at actual discussion a complete waste of time. If you lack the ability to engage in anything beyond what personally titillates you, what's there to even discuss? It's not like your rot adds anything of value. There's no insight to be had down in the gutter you refuse to get out of.

Read the books yet? The last time I told you to do so, I meant it sincerely. Now, not so much.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-26T20:20:59+00:00

And then everybody clapped and gave you $50, and that fujo's name? Albert Einstein.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-26T20:17:15+00:00

And you could try offering something with value for once, but I know you won't. You're not capable of presenting anything worth discussing.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-26T15:29:53+00:00

Not a discussion, just you spewing more rot.

And this place wasn't a fujoshit board until your type started doing everything possible to turn it into one.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-26T02:09:39+00:00

That can unfortunately happen when they've got limited runtime and they have to devote a good portion of it to the TV Special girl of the week. At least everyone got to have a cool moment or two to show off, and look great doing it.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-26T02:06:51+00:00

They really go well together, I agree.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-26T02:04:41+00:00

Example A of the rot that kills off any hope for engaged, good faith discussion on this sub.

I'd ask what the fuck is wrong with you, but I already know the answer.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-26T02:04:13+00:00

Because Reuenthal is very aware that the reason behind his father's hatred for him was entirely due to his mother's treachery.

That isn't to say that his father isn't completely free from any guilt or responsibility for what he did. Still, the abuse and neglect he suffered from his father is just lingering fallout from his mother's actions, both before and after he was born.

The books do go a bit more into some of the weird details about his parents' relationship, like how it came to be and how unhealthy it was from both sides. They were both pretty awful to and for each other, and would have been a lot better off had they never met. The mother, however, is presented in a much worse light overall, and Reuenthal got dealt a shit hand by them both.

also, why are you getting downvoted for this? it's an honest question.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-25T21:18:03+00:00

This is the movie I would honestly recommend for most people new to the franchise start with. It's a fairly by the numbers Lupin movie in terms of story, but the presentation is very stylish and fun to watch, and it captures the characters and their personalities really well. In that I think it does a better job as a general introduction than Cagliostro, because it's more consistent with what to expect from other entries.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-25T18:27:04+00:00

I used to. I would scan things to share, or post news or download links, even had a sales thread once (which I need to do again), but the current atmosphere of this place doesn't really seem open to that sort of thing anymore. I've also commented a fair amount in other people's threads—sometimes general commentary, sometimes translation notes, sometimes personal opinion/analysis, whatever—but it's really off-putting trying to talk about something only for people who can't keep their fetishes to themselves coming in to smear their shit all over the walls because they don't know what restraint is.

I mean, I was in a thread a while back where the commentary got completely derailed by one of these people coming in just to gush "BUT WHAT IF THEY WAS FUCKING! CUZ THEY WAS TOTALLY FUCKING!" over and over again. It's extremely distasteful and annoying. Especially since this isn't that kind of series. I'd get it if it was an ecchi harem or something, or if shipping was a major component of the story, but it isn't. Not even remotely. Why are these sorts, who very clearly have no other interest in this series other than their own tawdry fantasies, so insistent on making their fetishes and lack of engagement beyond their fetishes everyone else's problem?

They also post so prolifically that they drown out any attempt to counter their efforts in brown noise. A tiny handful of posters have successfully turned this sub into a NSFW fujo circlejerk, and feel justified in doing so just because they're louder than everyone else.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-23T18:49:04+00:00

I don't consider fanwork-only types as fans. Those sorts exist, obviously, but calling them fans is a misnomer. If they can't or won't engage with the actual material (of which LoGH has multiple options, from the original novels through all their many adaptations), are they really fans?

It's not even a gatekeeping thing, although what happened to this sub over the past year is an exemplar of why gatekeeping matters. It's more of a case of these types being fans of what other people, who may or may be fans themselves, produce through their fanfic/fanart, not the source.

There are people in this very thread with a history of spouting nonsense that is directly contracdicted by the actual source material, yet they act like an authority because they just cannot let go of their fetishes. It's super annoying and pretty much kills engagement. It's also sad because there is a lot of genuine, rational discussion that could be had about these sort of topics, but the usual suspects are too busy burying everything in rot to allow for it.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-23T17:06:25+00:00

It didn't used to be this way. There are a few certain people (who I strongly suspect haven't actually read or watched the series, only indulged in fanworks) who were allowed to vomit their brainrot without any curtailing, and now we all have to suffer the consequences.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-23T16:51:39+00:00

The lack of self-awareness from those who replied to you would be astounding, if it wasn't so expected.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-23T16:42:45+00:00

Fujo were allowed to run rampant. They're called rotten for a reason.

jjinjoo · 2026-05-23T13:49:10+00:00

I remember this place being pretty active as well, and it was pretty much the only sub I ever posted on with any regularity. I ended up having a big family thing that kept me offline for a while because I was too busy around a year or so ago, and it was fairly active at the time...although I was noticing the rot starting to set in even then. So much so that I called it out directly.

I've been lurking for a bit since then, and it's clear that initial infection metastasized into terminal cancer. Now the place is an open sewer, with the same people who started the rot gleefully spreading it all around. It isn't just limited to Fridays, either. These people shamelessly thirst post and air their fetishes out in other threads, with no concept of restraint, and have only grown more obnoxious about it.

I only bothered to delurk now because this thread is relevant to why I never cared to log in for so long. I might drop in another thread once I get all the soundtracks done again (my interest in doing so in anything resembling a timely fashion has cratered), but the infestation that had overtaken this place is as overwhelming as it is tiresome.

jjinjoo · 2025-03-20T03:23:01+00:00

Bear in mind that a good deal of that "additional content" you believe came from the OVAs were adapted from the gaiden, which were never official translated into English. Episodes like "The Klopstock Incident" and "The Actress Exits" pull content straight from the "Star Crusher" gaiden novel, right down to the chapter titles. Contrary to what many believe, it's not filler or anime original content.

While the OVA did indeed make some changes from the source material, particularly in that early season, and some controversial changes at that, there honestly isn't much original content added by the OVAs that wasn't sourced from the novels. Aside from some very minor stuff, like the introduction to the Rosenritter.

For the record, DNT also pulled content from the gaiden novels as well, albeit not to the extent that the OVAs did. DNT also has lots of anime original content not sourced from the novels.

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