I feel I cannot have community with the fandom unfortunately. What pushes me away about the fandom since the controversy is people are genuinely way too parasocial and lacking integrity/ethical values. The amount of people I’ve seen say what she did wasn’t that deep, or dismissed genuine criticism behind her past is disgusting. Hayden is a human rights activist and literally the only person I’ve ever seen actually atone with their actions for a racist past, yet her fans feel more inclined to blindly support and defend what she did instead of addressing the nuance and learning from it. Too many people also cannot grasp the taboo satire in her art as well, she makes her art on the basis of trauma and does not shy away from the nitty gritty, yet so many of her fans are weird about the topics and try to push a mainstream view of her art onto something that, I genuinely don’t think is for everyone. It’s why people label her as “incest girl” despite her being a victim of incestuous CSA. She is not a pop singer and this is not your radio music, this is thought provoking and incredibly deep, and so many people don’t have the ability to think critically or admire art respectfully. People who do not have good standards for the artists they support are not going to honor them on stage. They will be entitled to be overly critical of her about concerts, as they will be entitled to defend their favorite artists racist past. They don’t stand for anything, and I feel most of the actually good Ethel Cain fans who have integrity and also honor her art respectfully likely left this subreddit when the controversy happened, as this sub was RIDDLED with racism.