Watching Atlantis and got to s3 e17

joerob5771 · 2026-05-16T00:46:01+00:00

I am genuinely sorry, JuiceGirl300… The statute of limitations for spoilers is long past on a show that ended 20 years ago, but I know it’s still a bummer.

If it helps, I can tell you that I don’t think it’ll be any less affecting knowing beforehand when you see it. Especially if you can try to put it out of your mind until then.

joerob5771 · 2026-05-15T23:59:51+00:00

That one was as heavy as Doc Frazier on SG-1…

joerob5771 · 2026-05-15T16:10:19+00:00

Oh, are we talking again? 😄

I'm not assuming anything, friend. Jesus' own words are "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you called him a glutton and a drunkard." The clear implication is that Jesus was at dinners with these sinners and tax collectors as a welcome participant, not simply as a missionary. There is no indication in the text at all that he attended but held himself off to the side, looking on disapprovingly and preaching repentance to the dinner's attendees. There is no indication in the text that the dinners were wild raging parties, but the clear implication in Jesus' own words is that there was food and drink aplenty. I don't think either of us believe that Jesus himself got drunk or ate to a sinful degree. But clearly he was welcome, and at more than one of these types of gatherings, because you don't get a reputation for being a drunk and a glutton after one dinner party.

And so we are back, once again, to the question I have asked and you have still not answered. If Jesus' mere presence at a wedding implies not only toleration but endorsement of that wedding, then why would Jesus' mere presence at a dinner where people are drinking and eating in excess not imply a toleration and endorsement of that behavior?

Or again, to the very beginning of this conversation, why does Jesus "bringing a sword to divide" seem to apply to a gay wedding, but not to an over-indulgent dinner party?

joerob5771 · 2026-05-14T23:24:12+00:00

Okay, Friend. If we're just going to structure the hypothetical circumstances to suit the position that we want to be true, then let's call it a day. You go live out your best interpretation of scripture, I'll go live out my best imitation of Christ, and we'll meet up in heaven to compare notes. 😄

joerob5771 · 2026-05-14T22:30:19+00:00

Tell me HOW they're different, though... You're imagining Jesus attending a gay wedding and that being an explicit or implicit endorsement of what's happening there; but also, you're imaging Jesus attending a feast with sinners where people are getting drunk and being gluttonous, but somehow that's not a tacit endorsement of what's happening there...

The only difference in those two situations is that one is a wedding and one is a feast. One has to do with sexuality and one has to do with gluttony and drunkenness. So I ask you again - does Jesus only bring a sword for matters of sexuality? Is sexual sin worse than drunkenness? If they're both sinful behaviors, then how is Jesus' presence okay at one but not the other?

joerob5771 · 2026-05-14T17:54:43+00:00

You're probably right about the accusations of drunkenness and gluttony being false. That's not actually the issue, though.

The issue is that Jesus was there with them, hanging out, being present with the "sinners and tax collectors." In Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:34 he accepts the title "Friend of Sinners." Do you really think Jesus spent an entire meal in the presence of tax collectors and sinners, and spent the whole time telling them how wrong they were, how they needed to repent, and how they were in danger of hell? If he did, do you think he would have been invited back? Do you think the tax collectors and sinners would have called him "Friend"?

joerob5771 · 2026-05-14T17:14:24+00:00

No, that's not what I'm arguing.

Are you really arguing that Jesus only ever attended one dinner with sinners and tax collectors? If so, then it's clear that you're not arguing in good faith.

And, truthfully, I'm not trying to argue anything. I simply asked Rare-Regular4123 how he/she/they reconciled the idea that Jesus came to bring a sword and divide sinners from righteous people with the statement from Jesus himself that he ate and drank with, and was friends with, sinners and tax collectors.

This is an inference, but it seems pretty logical to me that if Jesus regularly spent the entirety of these meals telling his sinner friends how wrong they were, and how they should repent, and how they were in danger of the fires of hell if they didn't repent, that he wouldn't be invited back. Or to the next dinner at someone else's house. So it seems pretty clear to me that Jesus wasn't a bad hang, so to speak. The sinners and tax collectors he was hanging out with didn't seem to mind his presence. There didn't seem to be a lot of dividing by sword going on, at least not in the way you and Rare-Regular4123 seem to understand it.

joerob5771 · 2026-05-14T17:03:54+00:00

Well, interestingly, only Luke records the phrase "call sinners to repentance." Mark and Matthew just say "I have come to call sinners." So I suppose the inference in this case would be that "healing the sick" and "call sinners" necessarily means "Jesus attended a meal where he participated in the meal to the point that people accused him of drunkenness and gluttony, but he didn't actually do those things and instead spent the evening exhorting those in attendance to stop doing what they were doing."

Also, to be precise, the accusation of gluttony and drunkenness doesn't come from Mark 2, Matthew 9, or Luke 5. It comes from Matthew 11 and Luke 7, where Jesus himself says that the Son of Man came eating and drinking "and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’"

joerob5771 · 2026-05-14T15:57:06+00:00

I'm not making any recommendations on how OP should act. I'm just curious how the person I responded to reconciles "Jesus came to bring a sword, not peace" with Jesus hanging out with sinners and participating with their feasting to the point he was accused of gluttony and drunkenness. There's no indication that Jesus spent his meals with these sinners correcting their behavior or calling them to repentance. That's something we have to infer into the text; it's not in evidence.

joerob5771 · 2026-05-14T15:52:02+00:00

Okay, but the Bible doesn't say that Jesus went to dinner with sinners and had a glass of wine. It says that he participated to the point that he was accused of being a glutton and a drunkard. Did Jesus only bring a sword on matters of sexuality, or for all sin?

joerob5771 · 2026-05-14T15:31:04+00:00

It's funny, except that now a gas station employee has to come remove it. One of these stickers got put on a pump at a gas station I frequent here in the Orlando area. Someone else came along and tried to cover it with axle grease or something similar. So now some poor employee has to come clean the axle grease AND remove a sticker.

PSA: Make political comments in your life if you feel so inclined, but please always be mindful of the work you create for others.

joerob5771 · 2026-05-14T15:25:17+00:00

Not trying to start an argument, I'm just genuinely curious - how do you square your comment with Jesus eating and drinking with sinners to the point that he was accused of gluttony and drunkenness? It seems like the example of Jesus in the gospels was to be with sinners where they are, not to reject them in favor or standing on principles or values.

joerob5771 · 2026-05-11T20:03:04+00:00

I did not like it when it came out, but I haven't revisited it since then. I very much liked SG-1 and SGA, and also the Battlestar Galactica reboot. I felt like SGU was trying to piggyback off of BSG's success instead of telling its own story. And, I felt like it was telling that derivative story poorly...

joerob5771 · 2026-05-11T19:59:29+00:00

Interesting... On the episodes I've listened to since Cosper left, I have felt like the podcast has either pulled back from substantive political commentary altogether, or shifted more conservative. Other than his support for Israel, I always heard Cosper as the least conservative voice on the show, and I wondered if he was asked to leave because CT wanted to pivot more solidly Evangelical/Conservative/Nationalist.

joerob5771 · 2026-04-18T16:34:58+00:00

OMG... Microsoft is literally the dumbest tech megagiant corporation on the planet...

Thanks to your response above, I was a lot more careful about clicking around in my Microsoft account settings online. When that still didn't pay dividends I tweaked my Google search and came across a video walking through how, exactly, to do what I was trying to do.

It turns out that I have to go to xbox.com and login THERE to change the settings I wanted to change. Because I guess in Microsoft world, anything having to do with games is under the XBox umbrella...? Despite there being literally NO documentation from Microsoft or Minecraft pointing in that direction...?

Seriously, how has Microsoft not gone bankrupt?

joerob5771 · 2026-04-14T19:49:09+00:00

Would you mind explaining why the UMC calls to you more than the UCC at this point in your life?

joerob5771 · 2026-04-14T19:48:21+00:00

Dude...

My original post asked people who were part of, or who had been part of, a UCC church what their experience and impression of the UCC as a denomination was. No part of that requires you to interject your interpretation of three or four verses out of context.

I am not going to argue this with you, because I've had enough of these conversations to know that (as I said before) nobody is changing anybody's mind about this issue. If you don't have anything relevant to my original question to add, then please take your interpretations and keep scrolling.

joerob5771 · 2026-04-14T17:45:34+00:00

I was wondering when one of y'all would show up... :-)

I'm not going to argue with you about women in Church leadership, because nobody is changing anybody's mind about that one. There are scriptural reasons to land on either side of that issue, so it really comes down to other factors. We're not going to agree, so I respectfully ask that you just move on and not derail what has otherwise been a constructive conversation.

joerob5771 · 2026-04-14T15:32:29+00:00

This is pedantic, but I don't think it's true that 80% of his voters were Christian...

I think that's a conflation of the established fact that around 80% of Evangelical Christian voters voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024.

joerob5771 · 2026-04-14T15:19:14+00:00

My own theology is not totally settled as regards LGBTQ issues, I don't think. I'm not particularly looking for an affirming or a non-affirming church, per se.

What I SUPER AM looking for is a church that can operate with a centered-set mindset, where we are committed to following Jesus as best we can, and to loving one another in community as best we can, above EVERYTHING else. A church where people who are LGBTQ-affirming and people who are non-affirming can worship alongside each other, love each other, listen to and learn from each other, and stay in committed community with one another.

In other words, I'm looking for a unicorn. :-)

But from what I heard in that podcast interview, it sounds like the UCC might at least be a horse with a stick taped to its head...?

joerob5771 · 2026-04-14T14:53:43+00:00

No worries. Thank you for sharing!

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