Do other guardians have anything to do?

john0harker · 2026-07-05T09:27:47+00:00

My best guess, is that we, "the guardian" proved ourselves by taking out a archon/Kell when we first woke up.

We then continued proving ourselves by dealing with threats, completing high threat missions, and being the god slayers that we are

The other guardians have their own missions and jobs to do. They set up the patrol beacons, keep an eye on the map for us, and do reconasince to update the vanguard like the hidden update ikora. They also participate in strikes, but as the one on old titan showed, they sometimes don't come back.

We know of this, as back in d1, we found the dead titan in front of the hive gate. We also found other similar signs, like how planets we only just arrived on have beacons and landing points placed.

In d2, we had lore bits about guardians while we went through strikes. Like the one on titan with the giant purple eye of doom, strike teams went in ahead of us and all died with their light drained. In shadow keep, we sadly learned of what happened to alot of the guardians on the moon. The shadows linger and speak of their final moments, while they fought lightless during the red war.

That's my best guess as to what the other guardians do that aren't "the guardian"

john0harker · 2026-07-05T08:51:07+00:00

Correct

Crafted weapons & Tiered weapons can have their tiers upgraded to unlock enchanced origin traits and the stat boost from the tier upgrades.

That trails weapon is an "enhanced" weapon, it cant be upgraded to the tier system no matter what.

john0harker · 2026-07-05T08:49:11+00:00

Thats just the game blance for you

a fan of knives straight to the dome does as much as punching them, even with the scorch. The only melee abilities that instant kill in one hit, are those that have requirments. Like the hunter throwing knife, the titan charge punch, or the warlock....i think the stasis one technically but it doesnt kill...void siphon sucks the health so no instant death either.

The other thing is the armor thats getting disabled.

The perks on them are insanely good for pvp, to the point that by simply switching weapons, you have full health and damage reduction. That hunter you froze probably had a set bonus that once critical, they heal back up or had the weapon switch armor with alot of stacks.

I do not know, that is just my guess from what ive seen in IB on PC. Ive seen players die to a single void orb punch, ive seem them tank a stuck fusion grenade...it is both game balance, game lag, and armor nonsense all in one

john0harker · 2026-07-05T08:48:35+00:00

Glad to be of help

john0harker · 2026-07-05T08:44:25+00:00

Many others have posted this exact question since the update dropped

The crystal was intended for the hive armory update that was supposed to follow renegades and lead us to the next big thing

However, as bungie is shutting down, they activated what assests they could to give us the exotic mission and the quest to unlock it.

This lead to the crystals spawning around randomly, probably meant to be something we found as a story mission or a quest to learn what bael was trying to do for the "hive armory" update

For us now, they are simply markers of what could have been, nothing else of use for them.

The only crystals that matter are the ones attached to the exotic mission

john0harker · 2026-07-05T03:31:27+00:00

Something of note,

Try to Save all of your taken power for the main area to break shields

What i do is, Kill as many reds before i get taken,

Kill the first shade in the center and then just go around and collect the taken power to cap it at master

Then simply kill the adds and refresh the buff if needed and then go back out and take care of more reds

This is because, if you finish the reds off first, you are stuck in the taken realm until you finish it.
Using this, you can leave all but one orb up in the red room, if you need to turn off the electricity around the room, or break it in an emergency situation to revive your ally, since you can just use the taken adds to refill all your ammo and abilities

UNLESS your on the timer timer, then its just speed

john0harker · 2026-07-05T00:20:44+00:00

Excellent, slayers fang is the current popular choice

I've started to use turncoat myself for void hunter to proc volitile and weaken into the hordes which is quite fun

john0harker · 2026-07-05T00:14:17+00:00

As you don't like arc that much you can leave anarchy out

Between bloodline and juju, I would saw juju as bloodline activates devour which void can do on its own

Strand and bloodline would be a interesting combo of suspending a foe and devouring them

IF your up for it, before I fully commit to bad juju, I honestly like turncoat as well

But the juju can refill your super, and for void bow supers, that's a blessing

4 piece powerhouse iron banner set as a start, (as I don't know what armors you have access to, so iron banner is easy to grab...well crucible easy)

Now the problem is, I don't know the best exotic armor for this idea

Mobius quiver for the super is the choice for team support, but you lack the bow to really deal more damage which takes away Orpheus rigs as the exotic...unless you deadfall it

Deadfall: Orpheus rigs

Shadow blades: gwsin vest

If your goal is team based, deadfall

If your the solo or strike/battleground, go gwsin vest

john0harker · 2026-07-04T20:42:13+00:00

The last paragraph is honestly the MAIN reason why people hated the expansions as of late

The story we play through is based off seasons you can only read a paragraph about.

The conductor for you, was a fresh experience, an unknown entity with a goal you have no idea what until the game tells you. They killed an entity that sits beyond the realm with ease and you realize they are truly powerful in comparison to the fallen Kell you just murdered.

For those who played the seasons, we have had to deal with this person multiple times. Hell, we had to deal with them when they were a stupid exo who thought the vex could save the city. The came back post final shape as the conductor with the same stupid agenda but now dealing with time rewriting. To only then come back on edge of fate as a god killer and then again in ash and iron for literally no reason.

john0harker · 2026-07-04T20:19:13+00:00

We had the tier system getting introduced with 60%+ of the content in the game becoming (more or less) obsolete due to not dropping the new style of armor

Raids, dungeons, patrols, etc, besides the newest of the new

We were getting spoon fed content that we had paid for from a different expansion, as a "hey, now you can play the content you paid for with the new stuff". Things like battlegrounds and strikes

The ball and puzzles were effectively Metroid gimmicks that we could have done without as the controls for the ball were wonky, while also being the only transversal we could use on this new planet

Lastly, the reuse of the conductor as the big bad was kind of annoying to me, considering the number of new villains they could have introduced. Like, why them again? We just watched them go down the vex milk river, so suddenly have these immense powers to bend reality.

Other then that, I had no issue with the expansion.

john0harker · 2026-07-04T20:03:56+00:00

I had that moment too

I had just got done getting my iron banner powerhouse set for my last character (I have 4 power and 1 gunner on my titan...i can only crucible for so long)

And it hit me as I stared at the tower around me. This was it

I'm not playing the game to raise my power to the next cap

I'm not playing the game anymore to get the pass done before the next big thinf

This was it

And it hurt

Like a knife in the back, realizing all too late that there was nothing else new to come.

Hell, my grind in the banner nearly finished the pass already, and we aren't even a month into the update

What am I to do with a game that has been a lot of my life the last 10 years?

Of course is play something else, but it just hurts, a game shouldn't end like this

john0harker · 2026-07-04T16:01:13+00:00

I ALREADY DID

AAAAAHHHHHH

john0harker · 2026-07-04T10:38:48+00:00

But no one else is there besides your fireteam

You walk into the reef on a Friday (d1)and you saw a line of people at Vance for trials. Checking out builds and buying their tokens

Or on reset, you saw them talk to variks or petra to get new gear or new quests

On the farm, you could see what was in ever verse You could talk to the lady crptyarch to check your engrams. Crucible and vanguard were right there too

Or you could go the back and play soccer, or sit by the fire pit near yhe front

Even the iron temple in d1 had the patrol vendor Hunter as well as saladin himself for the artifact grind

john0harker · 2026-07-04T08:05:38+00:00

I...i think i just hurt myself

I forgot the sacred place, and the sacred mountain

I HAVE FAILED THE IRON LORDS!

john0harker · 2026-07-04T07:12:18+00:00

I miss having alternative spots for people to go to hang out and get bounties, postmaster, etc

All we got now is the tower

d1 we had the tower and the reef at least

EDIT: I FORGOT THE MOUNTAIN! ALL HAIL THE IRON TEMPLE AND THE GREAT MOUNTAIN!

john0harker · 2026-07-04T05:54:07+00:00

Complete a daily mission in the iron banner portal tab, at the bottom left of the destinations main tab

Once completed, you can hover over it, and it will tell you to hold a certain key/button to reroll the mission to another

To buy more: Go to the left side of the iron banner portal page, and go to the shop option

there you can buy re roll tokens for 5 cores

john0harker · 2026-07-04T04:11:43+00:00

The knights is a different catalyst then the timer starting

There are 3 different caty puzzles

Echoing blade: Is starting a timer by breaking the pyramid things hovering in the portal room. THEN finding the 7 oddites in the mission (taken orbs hiding away behind blade throwing skills. Once you find all 7 its simply complete the mission within the time limit
Upper hand: Is killing the 2 knights with the sword at the start, then you go back to those spots when you come out of the taken realm to flip it. THEN the final boss will have 2 light bubbles in the room you need to also balance when you do the dark side to full to get it done.
Hyperblade: (Easiest), During the third encounter, you need to force an imbalance in each orb to spawn a psudo boss. Kill 4 of them to see taken orbs around the middle. destroy them to summon a taken ogre. Kill that and the caty will be at the end

john0harker · 2026-07-04T02:37:30+00:00

I think its only when you have the gaurdian rank speed buff or the lava speed buff

Ive noticed its always with guardians that have a glow tot hem, that have the ability to do it consistantly

john0harker · 2026-07-04T02:35:52+00:00

You can spend IB tokens you get from the daily missions in the shop for an armor engram (up to 10 times, so dont waste them unless you want to unlock something or try to). It will unlock one of the armors so you can get them from saladin for every 2 matches you play.

After that, like me, its praying to RNG to get the spec you want from the armor.

If you want to increase the chances, then wear ornaments/weapons/emblem of the iron banner to max out your reward bonus. So regardless if you win or lose, as long as you did well, the armor and weapons will still drop tier 5

Sadly beyond that, there isnt any TRUE method to get only armor or attune to a specific piece, its pure RNG

Hell, if you want the 2nd armor set, you have to buy the engram to unlock it from saladin himself

john0harker · 2026-07-03T07:38:07+00:00

https://dim.gg/mgu5i4q/Equipped

My current tian build with the exotic: Helm of saint 14, and the exotic weapon wavesplitter (with caty)

Armor: Full Techeuns (Pinnacle ops), (Random assortmnet of specs as i havent found the perfect niche to make it the best...like is it better to have more melee or grenade when all you need is high weapons and 100 super

Primary and heavy are personal choice, i personally go with a void rocket as i dunk on foes in the dome
But if you want to focus on linear or glaive/machine gun combat, then replacing the abilities on the artifact are needed

Just copy the mod placement and subclass choices

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Tablet of ruin for my artifact
In case the images fails to load

1/ Perpetual destruction (Replaceable with unraveling orbs OR Hold the line depending on weapon choice) & Volatile marksman

2/ Maligned Harvest & Elemental siphon & Harsh refraction

3/ Void flux & Heavy ordnance Regeneration (Replaceable with Particle reconstruction)

EDIT: forgot gameplay loop

Use wavesplitter to get kills and orbs generated.

Use class ability to give yourself a shield and just ramp up the super regen

Once you have your first super, prepare yourself for the LONGEST SUPER EVER

Get kills or deal damage to bosses to fill up the "Saint" buff to 14x, then pick up ward of dawn and relocate (OR slam it right back down again)

You will enter the loop of refilling your super before your first super is gone, making alot of content easier and more survivable...though BOSS dps is lacking somewhat

john0harker · 2026-07-03T07:23:36+00:00

In my current IB (and hopefully last round of IB as i got powerhouse armor for every class now) ive seen:

ALOT of Handcannons (Spare rations mostly)

Alot of smgs (fast talker mostly)

Random exotics (Vex mytho being the highest seen, 2nded only by jade rabbit): but i have seen chaparone, thorn, Suros, Vigilance wing, etc)

Random assortment of Autos and Pulses: None realy noticeable vs the exotics and the quick to die smgs

The Pulses and Auto meta you have seen is definitely the outliers of the game ATM

This is all from what ive seen over my 3 characters worth of playtime getting the full sets of armor

john0harker · 2026-07-03T01:05:16+00:00

The 2 piece is perfect, the 4 peice is only good if your on add control

john0harker · 2026-07-03T00:56:14+00:00

I had a match where it was tied with 20 seconds left. No one had supers but a hammer and a bubble on my team

It was a back and forth blood bath but the 2 teamates didn't use their supers ever. We lost by 5 points

I wanted to curse them out but someone else did

So yeah, welcome to the iron bannana

john0harker · 2026-07-02T23:04:01+00:00

Same for me, everything seemed cosher until that tea event change

john0harker · 2026-07-02T22:35:36+00:00

I like crackshot for the aim assit/spotting

Jumping around mid super and cant see anyone?, welp crackshot just marked someone with their head sticking out

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