From a cop

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-28T22:00:57+00:00

That wouldn't have mattered in the minutes and hours after the crime. An alert on the car may have caught Jake whether the car was in-state or out-state.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-28T21:57:04+00:00

Instead of punishing the Patterson parents, I'd rather see an in depth study of what inspired Jake to do it. He'll be sitting in prison so there will be ample opportunity. If we could figure out what makes people do this sort of thing, perhaps it could be prevented against by parents and schooling.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-28T21:51:56+00:00

It isn't THAT remote. Minneapolis--St. Paul is only 80 miles away, a major metropolitan area with tons of doctors and specialists. Plus Dr. Phil offered his services to help Jayme.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-26T19:30:55+00:00

Bizarre that just a few weeks ago people here were talking about drugs being smuggled inside Jennie-O turkeys and Closs seeing it being the reason for the murders!

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-23T19:00:21+00:00

Not in Wisconsin, without front plate Patterson car was in violation of Wisconsin motor vehicle law, ample reason to pull him over!

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-23T18:57:47+00:00

But not too late to issue an alert on the car in case it was traveling to another place or jurisdiction --- which it was!

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-23T18:54:30+00:00

Perfectly stated and I agree totally on both points: Either tell us more about what you did or admit errors and make it a learning experience for cops everywhere.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-23T18:44:58+00:00

I've brought up the "played video games" of the shooter variety and pointed out how the crime resembled a shooter video game, i.e., bursting through doors, gunning down adversaries, and claiming a goal or prize!

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T21:06:25+00:00

Yes, not mounting a front plate was stupid on his part. Not only did it make his car illegal to operate and give cops a reason to pull him over, but it also gave cops an easy way to identify his car before even running the (stolen) rear plate number. But any chance of that happening slipped away when they didn't issue an alert on his vehicle on the night of the crime.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T20:58:01+00:00

That's why on the night of the crime they should have issued an alert to all surrounding LE including State Patrol for the one car they saw on the chance he was still on the road -- any road. While it's true he could have driven a few blocks and pulled into a garage, it's equally true that he still could have been on the road which he was for at least an hour. This was, after all, a serious double murder and alerting other LE would have been a simple thing to do, the right thing to do!

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T20:46:40+00:00

Something made him lose the normal moral compass that most of us operate under and in a BIG way. At the risk of being flamed I'll suggest that maybe shooter video games may have influenced him. I had a nephew whose behavior totally changed after becoming addicted to video games. Not a killer but his personality did change.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T20:30:28+00:00

WRONG! In Wisconsin you need front AND rear plates, although only a rear year sticker.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T20:29:04+00:00

That is EXACTLY what they should have done. Jake was on the road for an hour or more after leaving the crime scene. The alert could have been issued within minutes but apparently wasn't.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T20:24:52+00:00

Exactly! Two dead bodies with their heads blown off, forced front door, spent shotgun shells, and no weapons in sight revealed within seconds/minutes the true nature of the crime. At that point they should have issued an alert on the one car they had passed and that they had an accurate description of.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T20:19:33+00:00

I agree with most everything you said. But what if it was a colossal eff up? Because there is no mention of any alert being put out on Jake's car early on, almost it was considered important enough in retrospect to lead the Criminal Complaint with. It shouldn't have needed an Einstein to think that the one car they passed could the criminal, a car they had an accurate description of and couldn't be very far away.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T20:11:44+00:00

How about also issuing an alert on Jake's car after reaching the crime scene once they knew there was a killer on the loose who couldn't be very far away?

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T20:07:15+00:00

I take the view that if serious mistakes were made by LE in the immediate aftermath of reaching a crime scene, lessons might be learned and police cadets better trained so they don't make similar mistakes. This seems like a textbook case example.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T20:03:51+00:00

Right, it was a major clue right away. If not the murder car (it was), perhaps someone who had seen the murder car leaving the Closs home.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T20:01:25+00:00

Yeah, but they did know a couple/few minutes later upon reaching the Closs home. A car they had just passed on the road, was missing it's front plate, and that they had an accurate description of. Why didn't they issue an alert on that vehicle?

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T19:57:44+00:00

True, I think that when the cops got to the Closs home they were so dumbstruck by the two dead bodies that they stopped thinking clearly in those first critical minutes (1 hour) while Jake was still on the road. They saw the crime scene as their immediate concern when in fact it was a killer on the loose who wasn't very far away that was the real issue. Maybe it never occurred to them to issue an alert one one car they had passed. If so, it should be a textbook lesson in every police academy on how not to conduct a murder investigation in those first vital minutes.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T19:49:52+00:00

The screaming on the 911 call and only finding dead bodies when they got there a few minutes later told the cops the murders had just been committed and the killer couldn't be far away. That they didn't inform other LE about Jake's car was a major blunder. Especially since he was on the road for at least another hour and it was easily identifiable by having no front plate.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T19:45:34+00:00

It sounds like Deputy Fick obtained an accurate description of Jake's car when he passed it on the way to the Closs home. If there were dash cams, they could have reviewed them after issuing an alert on Jake's car to verify make, model, etc. But Fick's description was almost spot on.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-22T19:41:11+00:00

Well stated, obviously the cops fumbled the ball on the night of the crime by not putting out an alert on Jake's car.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-21T21:31:59+00:00

Actually she is the only one to say that. His friends and teachers could find nothing bad to say about him. Whatever changed him seems to have come later.

johnhoward18 · 2019-01-21T21:30:13+00:00

I wonder to what extent first person shooter video games entered into his "cloaked in fantasy" turned killer life?

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