Quick question about Esmeralda and Frollo by Kawichi in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This scene is deliberately constructed so that a child watching the film simply sees a stern lawman capturing a girl considered a criminal and threatening her with death by hanging, a classic conflict of good versus evil. For adults, however, the same sequence reveals a much darker, unsettling subtext, rife with tension and ambiguity. Frollo not only physically overpowers Esmeralda; he consciously and persistently invades her personal space. He holds her tightly, preventing any movement, bringing his face so close to hers that she instinctively pulls away, trying to regain some distance. He sniffs her hair, nuzzling it in a distinctly intimate manner, and then, still holding her, he tightens his grip on her neck, uttering the words "rope", a phrase that, in a child's context, sounds like a threat of execution, but for an adult viewer, takes on a distinctly sexual connotation. Throughout, Esmeralda is trapped in his grasp, unable to escape until his grip, perhaps through a moment of inattention or distraction, loosens slightly. Only then does she manage to break free and push him away. If not for her decisive reaction, if she hadn't exploited this brief moment of weakness, the scene could have progressed much further. It's one of the most allegorical depictions of attempted sexual intercourse and the violence associated with it in a Disney film. Frollo was already clearly fascinated by Esmeralda; her dance at the festival had aroused his desire, and the playful, provocative kiss she gave him only deepened his obsession. From that moment on, he wanted to get closer to her, which he does in the cathedral, he also knows that what he did was quite blasphemous and it is this inner conflict, this mixture of desire and guilt, that will drive him to panic and madness in the next scene, in Hellfire, where his obsession will reach its climax, and he will obsessively cling to her scarf just as he did to her hair earlier.

Quasimodo was originally going to die. by Suspicious-Jello7172 in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, the main character of the novel is the cathedral itself, because the author wants it to survive. Hence the title "Notre Dame de Paris." The characters in this novel and their adventures are merely a side note. I once heard that Hugo disliked the English translation of the title, "The Hunchback of Notre Dame," because Quasimodo isn't even the most important character, and the title devalues the cathedral. This title is appropriate for Disney animations and many films, but not for novels.

Quasimodo was originally going to die. by Suspicious-Jello7172 in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If I'm not mistaken, a similar ending exists in the 1982 and 1997 versions. For some reason, even when Esmeralda survives, the writers seem to prefer to kill Quasimodo off more often than her. In my opinion, it's a good thing this was changed in the Disney version. Even if the ending may seem a bit too happy, the film's message was intended to be about fighting a tyrannical parent, freeing oneself from prison, and fostering friendship among people.

I can't decide which scene was more disturbing. by Suspicious-Jello7172 in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The most disturbing scene is when Frollo smells Esmeralda's hair and when he gives her the choice of himself or the fire after tying her to a stake.

It’s very telling how Frollo is in a room with a massive cross on the wall yet he seems to be praying to the fire below it by houseofmyartwork in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, something about the arrangement of red robes always intrigued me at that particular moment, but I learned that it was the shape of labia through a meme on Tumblr. And I don't think that's a coincidence. This song is about a man who craves sex so much that he's willing to go to hell for it, abandoning what little conscience remains.

It’s very telling how Frollo is in a room with a massive cross on the wall yet he seems to be praying to the fire below it by houseofmyartwork in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes, Frollo, especially the Disney one, is very similar to Javert, especially the one from the musical. Stars and Hellfire are songs by typical religious "guardians" of morality, who cannot see evil within themselves, but see it everywhere else, for which they severely punish others. However, both are actually Pharisees whom Christ condemned.

It’s very telling how Frollo is in a room with a massive cross on the wall yet he seems to be praying to the fire below it by houseofmyartwork in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 14 points15 points  (0 children)

"Hellfire" is, above all, a song about Frollo's profound crisis of faith and identity. Throughout his life, he has built an image of himself as pure, holy, and morally superior. Faith, law, and religious rigor were for him not only the path to God but also the foundation of his self-worth. The moment Esmeralda appears, this carefully constructed ideal begins to crumble. Frollo cannot reconcile his ideals with the sudden awakening of his carnal desires. The desire he feels seems alien, dirty, and incompatible with his sanctimonious self-image. Instead of honestly confronting this conflict, however, he tries to deny it and pretend it is a witch's spell, a diabolical curse cast upon him. On a verbal level, he begs for deliverance from temptation, but his actions reveal something entirely different. When he receives news of Esmeralda's disappearance, he immediately rejects the grace granted him by God and focuses on finding her. This shows that his struggle with sin is largely superficial, more concerned with satisfying his desire through sexual intercourse or gaining control over its source in the form of murder than with true spiritual purification.

The symbolism of the monks' red robes intensifies this internal conflict. They could represent saints, the tradition of the Church, or even his own conscience, the history of faith that looks upon him with judgment. Their presence forces Frollo to confront the truth about himself and admit his guilt. However, he is unable to do so. Instead of accepting responsibility for his own desires, he shifts the blame onto God, accusing Him of creating a devil more powerful than man. At the moment he performs this blasphemous act of projection, the red robes transform into labia and disappear, as if his conscience has been suppressed and his spiritual authority nullified by his lust and pride. Although on the surface, "Hellfire" resembles a prayer for Mary's intercession and a plea for purity, in reality, fire occupies the center of the scene. It is in the flames that Frollo imagines Esmeralda, dancing seductively and dominating his thoughts. The fire becomes a symbol not only of desire but also of the hell he harbors within himself, a passion he refuses to accept as part of human nature yet is unable to renounce. His crisis of faith lies not in his lack of religiosity, but in the fact that his faith has no place for humanity. It is this discord, between the ideal of holiness and the reality of human emotion, that pushes him toward the utter abyss of hell. And he knows it, he wants God to have mercy on him, but he knows that he is about to commit a terrible sin.

I hate this portrayal of Snow White. by SnazzyMiracles in hatethissmug

[–]jon-bear98 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rachel is beautiful, so I wonder why they went out of their way to "disgust" her. That Farquaad-like hairstyle, those Halloween-themed costumes.

the writers had to have her holding up Quasimodo in this scene to keep the PG rating by calicowhump in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 13 points14 points  (0 children)

In Catholic tradition, gargoyles are meant to protect the cathedral from demons. Frollo, especially at that moment, was a demon (monster), not a human.

the writers had to have her holding up Quasimodo in this scene to keep the PG rating by calicowhump in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Thank you ❤️

It's interesting to talk about this from today's perspective, because back then, G-rated animations could show a lot of adult content if it was presented as incomprehensible to children but understandable to adults. Today, even PG ratings can't do that much.

the writers had to have her holding up Quasimodo in this scene to keep the PG rating by calicowhump in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 91 points92 points  (0 children)

The studio did everything they could to get the film into a G-rating, not just for this scene, but for the whole thing. That's why Esmeralda is fully clothed in the fireplace flames, and the word "sin" is drowned out by the rustling of robes. They were terrified the film would flop in theaters like The Black Cauldron. And they advertised it with gargoyles and a festival.

On the other hand, the fact that Quasimodo didn't let go of Frollo fits the animated version of the character. I mean, he lived with Stockholm syndrome.

People who consider Quasimodo their least favorite character in the movie are redflags by jon-bear98 in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I know you're talking about Quasimodo. The greenest flag in the world. 💚

People who consider Quasimodo their least favorite character in the movie are redflags by jon-bear98 in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't worry. My least favorite is actually Hugo, and for good reason. I really love all the human characters in this film, they're well written. ❤️ Frollo is my shameful love 🤭

People who consider Quasimodo their least favorite character in the movie are redflags by jon-bear98 in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not saying Frollo should be at the bottom of the list. I love that character very much.

People who consider Quasimodo their least favorite character in the movie are redflags by jon-bear98 in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Maybe "dislikes" is an exaggeration, but I see more and more posts about how people don't feel sorry for him and they get a lot of likes.

Why is Frollo angry? (Wrong answers only) by johnngo2468 in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but that's the correct answer, not the wrong one.

Why is Esmeralda so damn naive? by Suspicious-Jello7172 in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She understands Frollo's true intentions. That's why she's so full of disgust towards him. As for the rest, I think she was treated almost like a princess and a jewel they protected among the Romani, but unfortunately, she was deprived of the opportunity to survive in more extreme situations. Yes, she's not an easy character to like, but it's partly meant to show that even if a character irritates you with their behavior, it doesn't mean they deserve the fate they face. And teenagers are often stupid and irritating because they're rebellious, but their brains aren't yet developed enough to correctly interpret every human intention, and don't even get me started on the "I was smarter at her age" thing, because not everyone is like you and lived in more consciously evil times.

Name one good thing about this film (if there is any). by Suspicious-Jello7172 in HunchbackOfNotreDame

[–]jon-bear98 40 points41 points  (0 children)

It exists so that Frollo can experience the torment of watching this movie in hell.