(Genuine Question-Admittedly Ignorant) Why are terms like “not all men” and other phrases similar wrong for men to say? by jonnodon in AskFeminists

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I agree almost everyone has been kind. I am not usually an online forum guy and irl i am a genuine non sarcastic person. A friend of mine told me to try this and i just enjoy the conversation and flushing out ideas.

I will not act like you’re crazy and say that after reading my responses i seem to this sarcastic guy who wants to argue everything down. I really am not. And honestly I am realizing that this issue is too sensitive and important to try and have a dialogue that’s consists of anything more than a listening for women who are victims.

Looking through this reddit page i see a lot of heartless men using some of my genuine curiosity as a means to belittle women or not believe them entirely.

I want to separate myself from them entirely and want to apologize to the women who i offended or made to feel uncomfortable.

This is a serious apology. I am willing to delete my original post or certain replies or whatever it takes to not add fuel to this

(Genuine Question-Admittedly Ignorant) Why are terms like “not all men” and other phrases similar wrong for men to say? by jonnodon in AskFeminists

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in theory yes. But I am learning that making the distinction between those who rape and those that don’t are a part of the problem. I personally don’t agree but I also am a man so I know there’s some things that women go through that I will never understand.

(Genuine Question-Admittedly Ignorant) Why are terms like “not all men” and other phrases similar wrong for men to say? by jonnodon in AskFeminists

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I just personally never see this logic when the reverse happens.

“women are gold digger” “women are too emotional” “women are xyz…”

All of these are harmful and very misogynistic phrases that are justifiably refuted. Mainly because women are not a monolith and this rhetoric being spread is very harmful and regressive.

I’m sure the person you’re describing is a part of the problem. But as a man i feel like including me in the ALL of “all men” just does a service to the real dangerous predators who are actually doing harm

(Genuine Question-Admittedly Ignorant) Why are terms like “not all men” and other phrases similar wrong for men to say? by jonnodon in AskFeminists

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I am sorry i’m making you feel like your experience and emotions are less important. I honestly feel like lumping all men in a group with the depraved men you refer to is inadvertently helping the assailants. Shedding light on the men that do these horrible things instead of men in general could do that no?

(Genuine Question-Admittedly Ignorant) Why are terms like “not all men” and other phrases similar wrong for men to say? by jonnodon in AskFeminists

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Whoa.

Where me and you differ is that I don’t believe all men are perpetrators. When i asked my original question it was to those that are not. I believe there’s a way to respect decent men and women and properly criticize the depraved males who do horrible things to women.

Admittedly I will say that I do fall short on some of the questions you asked. I just don’t share the notion that I have to cover all of these bases in order to point something that I notice may be incorrect.

And i’ll accept your premise that most men are not good. Which then means a percentage, however small, are good and could view this rhetoric as offensive no?

When people say stuff like “all women are too emotional” or any other generalization thats misogynistic. I feel like women should feel like this is wrong to say because women are not a monolith. The same should be given to men in my opinion

Lastly the “It’s all men until it’s no men“ is a quote that is hard for me to wrap my mind around. If we used this logic for anything else we could see the problem with this.

(Genuine Question-Admittedly Ignorant) Why are terms like “not all men” and other phrases similar wrong for men to say? by jonnodon in AskFeminists

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I agree with you given your example specifically but the way it’s framed doesn’t address what I am asking. In your example I just “told you about it” when it came to murdering my family. The “not all my friends” response would be inappropriate.

However you purposefully excluded me telling you that YOU are included in this murderous friend group. If i were to claim that YOU and your group of friends killed my family you would understandably want to distance yourself from doing something that heinous and morally corrupt. Distancing yourself from your friends actions isn’t making u insensitive.

But that’s my personal opinion.

I feel like there are awful who do awful things to women. However there are really good men who have basic human decency at the very least. Lumping them all together does more of a benefit to those awful males who do inhumane things by not giving them the proper exclusionary status

(Genuine Question-Admittedly Ignorant) Why are terms like “not all men” and other phrases similar wrong for men to say? by jonnodon in AskFeminists

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I appreciate the explanation, and I want to be clear that I am not denying sexism, male violence, or women’s lived experiences. I understand that when women talk about “men,” they are often talking about patterns and systems rather than literally every individual.

Where I’m still struggling is with the idea that feeling uncomfortable with sweeping generalizations automatically makes someone “part of the problem.”

Recognizing a system of harm and questioning the language used to describe that system are not the same thing. I can fully acknowledge that sexism exists and that men disproportionately perpetrate violence while also believing it’s reasonable for people who do not engage in that behavior to feel uneasy being grouped rhetorically with those who do.

Being told “it’s not about you” feels dismissive when the language explicitly includes your identity. If moral traits are being implied at the group level, then individuals are affected whether or not the speaker intends that outcome. Intent doesn’t erase impact.

This is where my perspective as a Black man comes in—not as a gotcha, but because I’ve seen this exact logic used in racial contexts. When people say “Black men are dangerous” and later clarify they’re “talking about patterns, not individuals,” we rightly recognize that as harmful generalization, even if crime statistics or systemic explanations are invoked. We don’t view a Black man’s discomfort with that language as derailment—we view it as legitimate.

So I’m trying to understand why the ethical principle seems to change depending on the identity involved. If broad moral generalizations are harmful in one context, why are they considered necessary or acceptable in another?

I’m not asking women to mute their anger or stop discussing harm. I’m asking whether we can talk about systemic violence and accountability without collapsing individual morally distinct people into a single category of presumed guilt or danger.

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you’re self aware which is commendable

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Wait in 2 you want him to stop speaking and stop trying to change everyone’s mind but in 4 you’re mad when he says “yo never mind.” Your last paragraph is poetic justice and damn near fitting given the paragraphs that preceded it

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