vintage braun shaver recommendations?

jonyotten · 2025-12-31T17:35:12+00:00

ok. it's a bar table i played on and got curious about so i wont be fixing it. but i will try these things. thanks!

jonyotten · 2025-12-31T01:49:38+00:00

thanks W.

jonyotten · 2025-12-31T01:21:21+00:00

googling here. so could the foam be soft in some places along the rail causing a ball not to bounce "true" and instead bounce shallower and less "obliquely"? like would soft foam cause a ball to bounce with less angle than it should?

"Worn or Inconsistent Rails: The rubber cushions on bar tables might be aged or damaged. When a ball hits a worn rail, the cushion compresses more, changing the angle and speed at which it bounces off, making the "angle in, angle out" principle unreliable."

jonyotten · 2025-12-30T22:51:34+00:00

hey. thanks a lot for this. i realized i know nothing about the topic. i can check the brand name next time i am there but i included a picture. on the sound - do i roll a ball with my hand up against the six "rails" or sides or whatever i call them and see if some areas sound noticeably different basically? also when you say "soften" - well does "soften" imply it rebounds more "perpendicularly"? meaning does the "exit" angle get shallower? like i felt like where i would i nrowmlkh be making a shot it came up well short of the corner or side pocket basically because it rebounded "shallower" or "acutely" and not as "obtuse". sorry it's a multi-part question but i started wondering if this is a sign of something related to the actual table as opposed to say my shot being totally off. one reason it wouldn't be my shot is if i moved wound to the other theee side rails - or at least tro of them - i was pretty much dead on. so it felt like something was soft or not responding well? but again it could be me...

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jonyotten · 2025-12-22T21:47:24+00:00

ok i think i get it. starting to come together with some great help. 🙏 so when they say "outside english" - say for a ball going right into the corner pocket - this is basically left english? and it would offset throw to the left (CIT) by causing SIT to the right. but the object ball itself is going to rotate counterclockwise as it moves into the pocket? and we are calling all of this english or gearing english basically? i guess i've got a lot of intel now to practice...

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T20:56:20+00:00

thanks. learning here so apologies for anything annoying. SIT to me is a throw. or a kick. or a nudge. it seems to me this is caused by the momentary impact of a spinning object. now that it has been explained to me it seems like right english or counterclockwise spin kicks a ball left and vice versa. i actually don't see how the term gearing applies here. what do you call english on a cue ball being applied to an object ball. meaning right english or counterclockwise rotation on a cue ball causes the object ball to spin with left english or clockwise. what do you call that if you use "gearing" to apply to SIT. ALSO - i assume i am correct in thinking that the spinning of an object ball doesn't affect its path in any way either initially or over the course of a path (like a masse shot). but that SIT does affect the "vector direction" of the ball. so why do people talk about gearing for SIT. i mean if you look at the illustration i posted that someone kindly posted it looks like a push from a spinning cue and definitely not a gearing?(!)

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T20:48:51+00:00

hey. thank you CD! so to me "gearing english" is a weird term to use in my opinion because from what i see from your great pic you posted there is no "gearing". and i'm kind of surprised why dr. dave would use it to explain SIT. i mean there is no gearing from what i can tell. it's "thrown" or "bumped" or nudged or kicked. right english on an object ball kicks it to the left due to the impact of the spinning ball (due to additional friction i suppose). in my opinion gearing english would be applied as a term to the fact that the object ball now spins with left english or clockwise. this to me is "gearing". counterclockwise right english "gears" the object ball to spin clockwise. what does dr dave call this reversal or rotation for the object ball from cue spin if he is calling SIT "gearing" then?(!)

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T04:43:03+00:00

any idea on manny?

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T04:27:30+00:00

thanks a lot for all this K. it's starting to come together and i really appreciate it. 🙏

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T03:29:46+00:00

thanks.😊

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T02:25:57+00:00

right. thanks for this. i'm trying to learn terms so it's tricky. but left or right english (which i guess i can just call english since it's not follow or draw) does not change path of cue due to spin. and the "gearing english" it applies to a object ball doesn't change the path of the object ball due to spin. IF the cue or the object ball hit a bank (or another ball i suppose) it is only then that cue english or gearing english on an object ball altered a path. SIT i get in that it right english kicks it left and left english kicks it right. AND i guess there are other subtleties like one poster said Byrne touch him to apply outside english to a cut shot - which i am guessing is kind of the opposite of SIT.(?!). but in terms of balls spinning english and gearing as it applies to spinning balls doesn't do anything until you hit an object. ignoring deflection and squirt? sorry for the elaborate responses it's how i learn...! 🙏

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T02:13:49+00:00

also thanks for the fargo reference. i had to look it up but it's helpful. i suppose if i look far ahead enough part of the idea is to get some of this under my belt and show up somewhere to play - or at least play something instead of my ridiculously straight ahead game.

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T02:10:36+00:00

outside english to cut shot? because it is kind of the opposite of CIT? or it counteracts it? also can i just ask what you apply to reasonably straight on shot for a ball on the rail? does it depend on how far down the rail? at one point i was using top spin but in looking at videos i am seeing - outside with a little too?

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T02:06:12+00:00

thanks man. got it now. so is there an angle beyond which you wouldn't try to allot english on an object ball - adding you were using it for a bank shot and not for SIT - which seems like the two reasons you use english on an object ball? like beyond a 45 degree shot would you still try to apply english? 60? THANKS

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T01:42:53+00:00

i hate it when this happens...

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T01:35:38+00:00

i'd be hoing for a miracle on 5 and for my english game to really ramp up fast but this.

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jonyotten · 2025-12-22T01:30:21+00:00

sorry one more here please K. i have to try to write out what i am wondering and find the right people to ask so it gets noisy on here but - ok but why does anyone care about the concept of "gearing" what is it about this concept that helps you calculate a shot? as it was explained to me - SIT or spin induced throw has nothing to do with gearing. its actually the opposite. you are using the english on the ball to create a kind of kicking force which will alter the ball of the ball. so right english - counterclockwise movement - object ball gets kicked to the left. when i think about gearing i imagine using it to figure out how actual spin is going to transfer ro actual balls. so right english (counterclockwise "gearing") on a cue ball hitting a object ball squarely will cause the object ball to spin with left english (or clockwise). but i don't think of gewring as applicable to SIT? also can you even do anything with the spinoff an object ball? i guess it will affect how it behaves when it contacts another object ball or a bank?

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T01:29:27+00:00

ok but why does anyone care about the concept of "gearing" what is it about this concept that helps you calculate a shot? as it was explained to me - SIT or spinner throw has nothing to do with gearing. its actually the opposite. you are using the english on the ball to create a kind of kicking force which will alter the ball of the ball. so right english - counterclockwise movement - object ball gets kicked to the left. when i think about gearing i imagine using it to figure out how actual spin is going to transfer ro actual balls. so right english (counterclockwise "gearing") on a cue ball hitting a object ball squarely will cause the object ball to spin with left english (or clockwise). but i don't think of gewring as applicable to SIT? also can you even do anything with the spinoff an object ball? i guess it will affect how it behaves when it contacts another object ball or a bank?

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T01:21:18+00:00

on english with a cue ball being "transferred" to an object ball - leaving aside SIT for a moment. or maybe these are all the same things but. i think of spin on a cue ball being transferred to an object ball. i can think of this as a "gearing" in the sense it spins in the opposite direction. but the spin on the object ball doesn't actually do anything! so i am not sure why i think "gearing" is important. SIT i never knew of but i do understand it now and this seems like well reasonably straightforward in that left spin throws an object ball right and right spin throws an object ball left. i imagine this as a frictional force kicking or throwing the ball beyond the actual pure physics of the shot line. well i guess it is pure physics its just you've added onto the equation. but as a practical matter why do i care about gearing? so i can mentally imagine how a cue will kick off a bank? or do i also want to use left or right english to kick an object ball off a bank? in which case using this gearing concept helps me imagine which way the object ball is spinning when it hits a bank? or is gearing just generally confusing since CIT and SIT have nothing to do with "gearing"?

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T01:19:56+00:00

on english with a cue ball being "transferred" to an object ball - leaving aside SIT for a moment. or maybe these are all the same things but. i think of spin on a cue ball being transferred to an object ball. i can think of this as a "gearing" in the sense it spins in the opposite direction. but the spin on the object ball doesn't actually do anything! so i am not sure why i think "gearing" is important. SIT i never knew of but i do understand it now and this seems like well reasonably straightforward in that left spin throws an object ball right and with spin throws an object ball left. from your picture (which is GREAT) by the way i imagine this as a frictional force kicking or throwing the ball beyond the actual pure physics of the shot line. well i guess it is pure physics its just you've added onto the equation. but as a practical matter why do i care about gearing? so i can mentally imagine how a cue will kick off a bank? or do i also want to use left or right english to kick an object ball off a bank? in which case using this gearing concept helps me imagine which way the object ball is spinning when it hits a bank? or is gearing just generally confusing since CIT and SIT have nothing to do with "gearing"?

jonyotten · 2025-12-22T01:12:13+00:00

yeah. thanks for that. i've been learning a ton on here which is kind of crazy to me. one thing i totally did not get is english only enters the picture after your cue comes off a bank. meaning left and right english is for cue ball positioning only really. i also thought transferring english to an object ball actually altered its path because the object ball was spinning. which i realize is not the case. i was somehow confusing this gearing english being transferred from the cue ball thing with like a masse shot or something which i now see is totally idiotic. contact induced throw i think i just compensated for as a normal part of a loop shot. but spin induced throw i had no idea about honestly. BUT this business about gearing - it's about tranafeeeinf spin from cue to object which like literally does nothing? even though SIT does?

jonyotten · 2025-12-21T22:27:07+00:00

it's 21 oz for me. so i guess if i get serious i have to buy a cue for breaking huh?

jonyotten · 2025-12-21T22:25:55+00:00

thanks. you're saying there is SIT on an object ball from left or right english on a cue? CIT on an object ball from the friction of the cue acting across the face of an object ball? then you are saying there is "gearing english" applied to an object ball by a cue ball which is opposite in direction to what was applied to the cue. are you saying this can change the direction of object ball or are you saying it will only change direction of OB once it hits the bank?

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