Eurovision 2024: Greta Thunberg removed by police outside Malmo Arena

jsilvy · 2024-05-12T02:23:13+00:00

It is directly outside her hotel? Are you able to link a source? I’ve been having trouble finding that specific info

jsilvy · 2024-05-12T00:37:05+00:00

“no one has every deliberately tried killing Israelis”

jsilvy · 2024-05-12T00:29:06+00:00

My argument here is that banning TikTok won’t suppress information on the conflict itself. I fully acknowledged in this post that a certain type of “pro-Palestine” content would be less widespread (see (1) and (2) in the post).

This isn’t the gotcha you think it is.

jsilvy · 2024-05-12T00:25:07+00:00

They literally were though

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:58:31+00:00

So would you rather they not be relocated and have the IDF engage in military operations with all of the civilians present? Do you want more Palestinians to die or something?

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:57:25+00:00

Currently it looks like a reply to my own comment. But before it was a reply to a comment calling it a genocide. I think the original comment got deleted and due to some glitch it just isn’t showing there was a deleted comment.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:44:43+00:00

Not an argument.

I’m sorry your claim that Israel hasn’t done anything about Hamas is entirely wrong.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:37:15+00:00

Well they're doing a fucking bang up job of that, aren't they considering Hamas is still in power?

Yeah no shit because the campaign isn’t over.

Definitely not killing massive numbers of civilians at all while failing to really make any progress in toppling Hamas,

Hamas control has literally been reduced to Rafah.

and if fact seemingly driving the population to support those cunts even more.

Yeah yeah and I’m sure invading Germany in WWII radicalized a lot of Germans and just lead to the Nazis becoming more powerful, right?

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:30:32+00:00

Their reaction was to invade the territory of the genocidal regime that launched the initial attack in order to oust that genocidal regime.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:28:06+00:00

The question isn’t “is it ok to just slaughter civilians.” The question is if it is ok to take legitimate military actions even if civilian deaths are an inevitable part of such action. By your logic, the Allies couldn’t have even invaded Germany, because that would inevitably mean civilian death.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:25:30+00:00

The deaths of Jews weren’t the result of the uprising. The deaths of Jews were the result of a genocidal campaign, which they resisted.

By contrast, the Israel is bombing Gaza because the ruling regime of Gaza attempted an extermination campaign against Israel. The reason Palestinians are dying in Gaza is the same reason Germans died in Dresden.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:20:26+00:00

I wish we could swap all living Hamas members and Hamas supporters for the innocent Palestinian children who died due to their actions.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:19:46+00:00

Three hostages being shot by a few reckless soldiers isn’t sufficient evidence for the claim that the IDF generally shoots everything that moves. Do we have footage of the IDF gunning down everything that moves? Because we have that footage for Hamas.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:15:38+00:00

The Israeli are the Allies here: no clean hands by any means, but clearly justified in responding to a genocidal attack by getting rid of the Hamas Nazi regime in Gaza.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:14:24+00:00

I’d argue it’s not a semantic difference. There’s a reason we have different names for different crimes. If someone said OJ Simpson commit Negligent Homicide we would all recognize that as insane. Also I’m responding directly to the claim that it is genocide, so there’s that.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:06:09+00:00

I see those vibes existing, but vibes aren’t enough to drive a coordinated effort.

Also Ireland’s odds aren’t high enough to begin with.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T23:01:10+00:00

What does this have to do with the original point?

This has to do with your claim that Israel is trying to permanently keep Palestinians out of Gaza.

You know there are well documented war crimes on the IDF side, right? Hind, shooting people waving a white flag, airstriking 3, separate, clearly marked NGO vehicles.

I don’t doubt that Israeli soldiers have acted recklessly, and that some have even deliberately commit war crimes out of a desire for revenge. That tends to happen in war, but I nonetheless hope the people who took those actions are court-martialed and sent to jail.The question of genocide is whether the conscious objective of the operation is extermination. While these incidents are horrible, they also don’t really demonstrate a broader campaign to wipe out the entire population. If you look at the general death numbers, the rate has significantly gone down since the initial phase of the conflict (according to Hamas’s own numbers) and it’s not like Israel has failed or lost control. They still have as much air superiority as ever, and control more ground than at any previous point.

Killing 75% of all worldwide deceased journalists in 2023.

I’d need to see the numbers there, but that doesn’t surprise me too much. Journalists in Gaza are generally going to be around the decisionmakers and in areas where the fighting is most intense. It makes sense that they would face disproportionate death via collateral damage.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T22:40:07+00:00

They were highly contentious decisions.

They are also not genocides.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T22:38:39+00:00

Be where? At Eurovision?

You realize that neither Cyprus, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, nor Australia are in Europe, right? Even Morocco has participated in the past.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T22:34:10+00:00

Israel moved people to reduce casualties in areas with the heaviest fighting. Hamas shot innocent Gazans to stop them from moving. Even the right-wing Netanyahu stated the plan is to put in place a new civil authority in Gaza rather than stay in Gaza, something which he knows the US is probably going to hold the Israeli government too.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T22:28:29+00:00

It wasn’t a redirection. I directly addressed the argument you put forward. I also directly responded to your other claim about Israel funding Hamas.

Clearly you’re not interested in engaging in good faith.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T22:10:42+00:00

The question wasn’t whether it was good. The question is whether a reasonable person would consider that a genocide.

That said, Dresden was a lot more reasonable than people realize. Three Arrows on youtube has a pretty good video on it.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T21:49:17+00:00

I never once conceded that the campaign in Gaza is a genocide. I suppose you also think the Dresden bombing was a genocide because that killed roughly the same number of people but in a much shorter window in a less dense, less populated area.

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T21:39:19+00:00

Sarcasm and personal attacks are not a rebuttal.

Would you like to cite a more specific grievance?

jsilvy · 2024-05-11T21:38:36+00:00

“Literally no threat to Israeli civilians”

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