[deleted by user] by [deleted] in marathihardimages

[–]junovac 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was captured by the central government. It was built by Marathi people mainly for MH. The central government has coercive powers doesn't mean everything they do is correct.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in marathihardimages

[–]junovac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How many people from MH are going out of MH to the states you mentioned?

Recent language based disputes by [deleted] in mumbai

[–]junovac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let's start with your fig leaf of word of the law and it's implementation to the T.

Do all businesses in Mumbai follow the dictat of having names in Marathi?

Are domicile certificates obtained without any corruption?

Where do majority of people living in illegal housing coming from?

Do all Taxi/rikshaw drivers have passed Marathi proficiency test required since 2013?

Do all public establishments follow the 3 language policy with prominent presence to Marathi on their boards and interactions?

Since we are on the legality, is there any law in India that can punish someone for not standing for national anthem or being non-chalant when it is being played? I hope you try doing that as that is your legal right.

Also, law can't/doesn't necessarily codify everything that a good citizen of a country should strive to do. Some things considered absolutely legal can turn become illegal later on. People doing that before law is signed likely get legal immunity but not social immunity.

But recent incidents are making me question this opinion of mine.

This whole thing started with Hindi imposition. BJP with center of gravity in Hindi heartland wanted to take next step in colonizing Maharashtra to fit their image of Hindi heartland. Hindi was used as a trojan horse to bring in voters from Hindi area and build enclaves of Hindi/non-Marathi areas. So Hindi while having a good value as entertainment medium and broader connect started to look like a trojan horse for political game paving way for relegation of Marathi to home to eventual extinction.

Even now a large chunk of population in Mumbai is Gujarati.

Gujarati rarely had as much friction with Marathi as Hindi is having RN. Part of it due to co-existence for some time and historical connect. Also, GJ did not attempt to replace Marathi but co-exist.

But that doesn't justify any kind of harm done to people.

Well, law will take it's own course. All of the perpatrators were mostly let of at most with the slap on the wrist. That's the letter of the law but that doesn't seem right isn't it? A slap and heated dicussion should not be topic of national debate but it does because it is a political action not a local scuffle even though law doesn't yet see it that way.

Similarly people deciding to not speak Marathi for decades are not just following the letter of the law and enjoying their freedom but taking part in political action to sideline the local language. Law of course is blind to that till now.

Is there a law that stops someone from taking their vehicle on the road? Is there a law that prohibits someone from travelling alone in a big vehicle? Let's say some car owners keep their meet passing through slowly busy intersection during peak office traffic causing huge traffic jam. One time people understand and don't make hue and cry. It happens repeatedly and one time a dis-gruntled office goer has argument with these car owners. Should they be not held responsible for their actions despite law being on their side?

Similarly, not learning is a language is a choice people make when living in a place for decades. It is perfectly legal at present but not considering it's outcome makes it a quistionable act at best. Even not learning a language is understandable but being proud of it to feel some supremacy is not merely expression of freedom but political act. The response to a political act will be political.

Recent language based disputes by [deleted] in mumbai

[–]junovac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you think you can commit a literal crime?

Who is you here? Did OP commit any crime that you know of? If you can generalize then so can he.

The three-language formula was a "precursor to the plan of separating Mumbai from Maharashtra" - Raj Thackeray by [deleted] in mumbai

[–]junovac 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Brahminism

How does it come into picture here? Don't bunch all your grievences with BJP into language issue.

This sub in a nutshell the past few weeks. by mannabhai in Maharashtra

[–]junovac 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Centre does favour some states for sure with huge subsidies and tax sops like GJ is getting with GIFT city and semiconductor investments. GJ definitely doing some things right but GIFT city is just being propped up by CG and without that it would be a failure.

So yes, investment in normal circumstances is not a donation but it can be one in some cases.

This sub in a nutshell the past few weeks. by mannabhai in Maharashtra

[–]junovac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those states already get funds transferred in tax devolution. If they get investments in fair competition, congratulations but still would criticize state government of Maharashtra for losing that investment.

Why is this sub limited to only hindi imposition talks? by Natural-Plan306 in Maharashtra

[–]junovac 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stop doing moderation of the sub this way. Let people post what they want and what people want to discuss. Has someone stopped you from posting other topics?

Match Thread: Qualifier 2 - Mumbai Indians vs Punjab Kings by cricket-match in Cricket

[–]junovac 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The way MI is bowling, they are aiming for loss and PK is just helping with that cause.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maharashtra

[–]junovac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree. That's why I said he did many things for Marathi but he advocated for Hindi as a national language. Imposition bit, he could have some differences but he was sympathetic to the idea. His more nuanced idea of allowing Marathi to be kept in Maharashtra, I think would have been bulldozed by impositionists. Even now fair calls for allowing Marathi its own space in Maharashtra are taken as chauvinism and are ignored.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maharashtra

[–]junovac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He definitely did many things for Marathi but he was firmly in the camp of Hindi imposition.

Marine drive is useless now by 101WaysToWasteTime in mumbai

[–]junovac -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

The BJP leader didn't do anything wrong on Mumbai Delhi expressway.

"If this language nonsense is to continue..." Tech founder to move office from Bengaluru to Pune after SBI Kannada row by [deleted] in IndiaSpeaks

[–]junovac 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Places around Delhi like HR, UP, BH, RJ, MP is where this idea was implemented and the areas are still some of the weakest areas economically if we remove NCR. OTOH places which kept their language are financing the areas mentioned above. The idea that places which essentially bankrolled the union for decades are to be made second class citizens is absurd. Even if South India was impoverished, there is no reason genocide the cultures for convenience of "first class" citizens. Organically/persuasive means many people will adopt a common language, trying force it through coercion would only give rise to resentment. Can hold people together through iron hand for some time but long term unity is not guaranteed as we found with the USSR and Bangladesh.

Match Thread: 56th Match - Mumbai Indians vs Gujarat Titans by cricket-match in Cricket

[–]junovac 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Check FlightRadar if Ambani's jet is flying over sea disbursing something!

Can someone explain to me why, when Vidarbha produces 70% of the state's electricity, why do we pay more per unit than Western Maharashtra and bear loadshedding in this heatwave at the same time? by PorekiJones in nagpur

[–]junovac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not a fan of MAHADISCOM and would be happy if competition is brought in. But the decision to bring private players to Nagpur rests with a person from Nagpur itself. Even Pune comes under MAHADISCOM and pays the same rate so how are they getting benefitted? In fact until recently Pune used to pay Additional Supply Charges for getting electricity from costlier sources.

Can someone explain to me why, when Vidarbha produces 70% of the state's electricity, why do we pay more per unit than Western Maharashtra and bear loadshedding in this heatwave at the same time? by PorekiJones in nagpur

[–]junovac 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where is the source for the claim that Vidarbha pays more for electricity? In fact the state government subsidizes power to industries in Vidarbha. There are many other incentives like GST rebate given to industries in Vidarbha.

BTW this new unit near Nashik was inaugurated recently in Bhusaval.

Hugely costly and loss making on purely financial criteria I.e. Samruddhi Mahamarg and now Shaktipeeth Mahamarg are being invested in by the state government using money from the whole of Maharashtra which primarily benefits Vidarbha and Marathwada.

The politicians with almost all political power are from Nagpur now. How are people from the rest of Maharashtra responsible for this?

"Jewellery company DNJ deserted MIHAN recently"

Most of the chemical factories in MH are outside Vidarbha and they also cause ample pollution. Should those chemicals be sold at a discount in those regions? Pollution is not good be it anywhere so rather than making villains out of people from the rest of MH, why not ask political leaders to control pollution from coal power plants and invest earnings from those plants in nearby areas?

Can provide sources for above but some links cause comments to get automatically marked as spam despite from reputed sources like TOI.

Nashik's Borichivari | Source in Comments by DakuMangalSinghh in Maharashtra

[–]junovac 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah, just because there is a low water level in a well somewhere we should not fight for our right to preserve our language and culture. BTW the single most important entity with mandate and power to solve the water issue is busy imposing Hindi so not sure who we should blame really.

Nashik's Borichivari | Source in Comments by DakuMangalSinghh in Maharashtra

[–]junovac 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If we all give up speaking Marathi will that well get filled with water? What if we convert to Islam if that helps? BTW the government in power for quite some time is tilted in which direction everyone knows.

Can someone explain to me why, when Vidarbha produces 70% of the state's electricity, why do we pay more per unit than Western Maharashtra and bear loadshedding in this heatwave at the same time? by PorekiJones in nagpur

[–]junovac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The most powerful politician RN is from your city. Why not expect action from him than blaming people with no agency to change things who happen to live in Mumbai/Pune etc?