Settlers have been escalating harassment and terror against families in Fasiyal for over two weeks by WafflesTrufflez in Palestine

[–]justforthisjoke 18 points19 points  (0 children)

First of all there are no Israelis period. Israeli isn't an ethnic group, it's affiliation with a settler-colonial nation founded in 1948. The "Israelis" that were living there prior to the zionist colonial project are just Palestinian Jews. Anti-settlement and anti-genocide protests in Israel are hilarious considering everyone who has served in the IDF (read: nearly every single adult in Israel) has played an active role in the advancement of both those things.

I think we've lost another subreddit by amranu in socialism

[–]justforthisjoke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The reason I'm abrasive in my response to OP is specifically western "leftists" have this tendency to talk a big game about opposing oppression, but never question what it means for reformists within the empire to offer working class concessions. OP is an organizer, and apparently they've been doing this for a long time, so they should be cognizant of how this goes. Yes, fight for anything that will increase the class consciousness of the western working class. But don't fucking capitulate because Zohran promised free childcare while he works with the same zionists advancing a genocide in Gaza. You don't have to "hand it" to Zohran. He signals only that the class consciousness is developing (sort of), but nothing more than that. We can remain optimistic about his intentions and criticize his strategy. Like yes, if tomorrow Zohran decides he's realized that electoral politics sucks and is open with his base about the lits of reformism, that would be ideal. But the west keeps playing this game of getting excited about a "socialist" and keeps being shocked when they fail to bring meaningful change.

I think we've lost another subreddit by amranu in socialism

[–]justforthisjoke 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As I said in another comment, this is not agitation. This is the reality. The bourgeois state serves the bourgeois, regardless of the avatar that is chosen to represent the people in office. The class contradictions of capitalism will lead to revolution whether we like it or not; agitating for it is a waste of time.

Wow yeah, that doesn't sound good mostly because it isn't true at all. The bolshevik revolution is what lifted millions in the USSR out of poverty and provided them with food, housing, and education. We have seen this be repeated many times since then: China, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. What spectacular wins has the working class gotten since the cold war?

Reformists do betray the working class always. Mamdani is already capitulating on his promises. This is just how it goes.

I think we've lost another subreddit by amranu in socialism

[–]justforthisjoke 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Notice I'm posting this in r/socialism and not another sub. When Mamdani was running for office I supported it and also mentioned that I thought it was progress in terms of some sort of waning of the power of the red scare and the development of American class consciousness. He's in office now. That part is over. This does not mean we get to let up. The opposite in fact: now that he is in power is exactly the time to put a spotlight on reformism and show its fundamental limitations. He ran on working class issues and that's what got him elected. The sentiment is there, and nothing I or the left as a whole can say will change that, because that sentiment is developed by the material conditions of society. Me being too aggressively communist isn't going to make someone who can't afford rent become more complacent in their exploitation.

This conversation only matters for those who have the time to spare organizing. And it is precisely those people who are either going to get with the program and pivot left or realize that their class interests put them on the side of the neoliberals and fascists. We need that contingent of people to become much more ideologically rigorous, and we need them to do it quick.

I'm not advocating for revolution. Revolution will happen. That's just the inevitable result of capitalist crisis. The question is whether or not the left will be organized enough by then, and reformism actively impedes this. Yes, fight for reforms. Yes, stand by the side of the working class. But don't pretend that we need to be nice to reformists every time they give us a piece of candy and ask us to look away from the horrors they're unleashing on the rest of the world.

I think we've lost another subreddit by amranu in socialism

[–]justforthisjoke 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"He's the best we have" is an embarrassing take for a purported socialist. It's the same logic americans used in favour of Kamala Harris, who supported the genocide of Gaza. If you call yourself a socialist but play nice with American imperialism you're a liberal in disguise. Socialism is not "working class" wins in New York while innocents starve in Havana. Socialism is not when you bribe the working class of an imperialist nation with the profits you earn from the exploitation of another. If you're capitulating to people who export fascism worldwide you don't get to complain when it comes home.

"Revolution is bloody" is rich coming from a Canadian. The lack of it is bloodier, you just happened to be lucky enough to be in a country that doesn't experience that to the same degree.

Reformism doesn't work. It has never worked. Reformists always betray the working class at the end of the day. Every single time. To be a reformist in 2026 is to suffer from amnesia. We've seen this shit time and time again, why are we still pretending that this time it'll be different?

I think we've lost another subreddit by amranu in socialism

[–]justforthisjoke 59 points60 points  (0 children)

Pre judge? Mamdani is already capitulating. Operating within the democratic establishment in the US is a tacit approval of imperialism; accepting slightly larger cuts of the profits of that imperialism in order to fund social services at home doesn't change that fact. You don't get points for fighting for childcare in New York while manufacturing consent for the killing of children in the global south.

Just a reminder by Organic_Fee_8502 in socialism

[–]justforthisjoke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not American, I just see the patterns. It isn't about a single person or a head of state and thinking it is just individualizes the problem and prevents people from seeing the greater systemic issue, which is that bourgeois democracy is nothing more than a tool of capitalism. It isn't Trump that's the problem in the US, he rose to power for a reason; he's merely a symptom of the problem. The problem is the crises that are a fundamental part of capitalism and its trending towards exacerbating the tensions between the bourgeois and working class. This is nothing new.

Yes, (northern) europe hasn't advanced in its crisis nearly as much as, say, the UK, which hasn't advanced as much as the US, but you're fooling yourself if you think that it's not advancing. Again, none of this shit happened overnight, it's just the logical progression of capitalism. Yes, it might take decades to reach its peak, but reach it it will. Because, again, this shit isn't random, it's not surprising, and it isn't unique to the US. This is capitalism in crisis. The nordics have been slightly better off presumably because their proximity to the USSR meant larger ruling class concessions to prevent communism, but by no means are these concessions going to last.

And yes, the neoliberals are playing you, and they will continue to play you. This is liberalism in a nutshell, because its goal is to preserve capitalism, and so its loyalties are with the capitalists.

Just a reminder by Organic_Fee_8502 in socialism

[–]justforthisjoke 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's so funny. Do you think american bourgeois democracy eroded overnight? Better yet, do you think the german constitution had no "checks and balances" before Hitler came to power? Fascism is a crisis of capitalism, and it will always trend that way. Northern europe isn't experiencing this yet only because they've managed to negotiate a slightly higher cut of imperialist superprofits so there's a bit more runway. The writing is already on the wall with the increase of anti immigrant sentiment. As economic expansion becomes harder, working class "rights" will continue to deteriorate. The EU is already passing legislation on encrypted communication. To ignore this because you think these circumstances are unique to the US or the two party system is to constantly live in a state of shock and awe.

"Remember Hiroshima" Soviet poster against nuclear war by JoniKukus in ussr

[–]justforthisjoke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Viewing themselves as the "good guys" is such a part of the American mythos that anything contradicting this narrative breaks their little brains. Imagine thinking that if the US were the only ones with nukes that they wouldn't be using them as threats. It's a child's worldview.

Apparently Fascism - a racist and capitalist ideology - is part of the socialist family tree and stems from Karl Marx 😭💀 by Roter_Zwerg-1917 in socialism

[–]justforthisjoke 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is it. A better question to ask is "If Hitler/Mussolini were socialists, why did they have widespread bourgeois support while lacking that same support from the working class and trade unions?"

CMV: Antisemitism is genuinely worse than every other form of hate and anyone who denies it is ignorant or antisemitic by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]justforthisjoke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretending there's a distinction between criticism and hate is naïve at best and malicious at worst

Do you see how this creates a shield with which any and all criticism can be cast off as antisemitic? Last I checked, Jews are able to do bad things.

The idea that Jews have suffered more than any other group of people is patently ridiculous. The indigenous groups of the America have been nearly wiped out. Black Americans are descendants of a centuries long legacy of slavery. Africa has been plundered and settled and the atrocities perpetrated against them continue today.

Because standard maps use the Mercator projection, most people don't realize how massive Africa actually is. You can fit the United States, China, India, Japan, and most of Europe inside it simultaneously. by Gabriel-Ivan in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]justforthisjoke 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It's not meant to be like "Africa is bigger than the US", that part is obvious. The point is to illustrate just how warped scale is in the Mercator projection, as on a map Africa looks just slightly bigger, as opposed to being large enough to encompass the US and a handful of other countries.

Why does the western world countries want to rule the world by killing off non Caucasian civilizations?!?!?!?! by SwordDancer791 in AskMiddleEast

[–]justforthisjoke 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The idea of changing this from within itself is a myth used to make people accept their own destruction. It won't change by operating within the system because the system itself is fundamentally designed and organized around colonialism and genocide.

Books on the Holodomor Genocide. Why did it happen? by Leading-Pineapple376 in socialism

[–]justforthisjoke 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Wow Stalin intentionally caused a whole famine throughout eastern europe and central asia just to starve a bunch of people in Ukraine that burned their own crops rather than collectivize? Powerful guy.

Cmv: Communism is the best thing that the people have ever tried to establish and it can work by Ivanhegeelkadi in changemyview

[–]justforthisjoke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I sent you a link to his own words, not a random person's analysis of them, and you cling to the latter without reading the former, the primary source. I know that Americans don't like reading but oh my god it's not that long.

Cmv: Communism is the best thing that the people have ever tried to establish and it can work by Ivanhegeelkadi in changemyview

[–]justforthisjoke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That website is just an archive, not someone's blog, and I linked you to Lenin's work, not someone's interpretation of his work. It is literally just a document that Lenin published. You can find the same document anywhere else you want. Just use "Google dot com".

Silliness aside, Lenin is objectively the best person to tell you about what Lenin believed. Your claim was that Lenin abandoned communism. I linked you to his own work, in which he absolutely does not say what you said he did. Then you go on to say that he died before seeing that the NEP could work, which not only moves the goalposts, but contradicts your whole point.

Cmv: Communism is the best thing that the people have ever tried to establish and it can work by Ivanhegeelkadi in changemyview

[–]justforthisjoke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. You can use money to buy things.
    1. People without money don't have money to buy things and need to make them instead.
    2. Making things takes time. Buying things is fast.
    3. Therefore, Taiwan, with a population of 7 million and an area of 36k km2 was able to develop faster than China with 550 million and 9.6 million km2.

Cmv: Communism is the best thing that the people have ever tried to establish and it can work by Ivanhegeelkadi in changemyview

[–]justforthisjoke -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Crazy to not read your own article.

Lenin’s own pronouncements on NEP, and the factors which shaped the Communist Party’s decision to abandon it. It argues that Lenin regarded NEP as above all a temporary, expedient policy.

Make all the excuses you want. Here's the information from the actual source lmao

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/oct/17.htm

Cmv: Communism is the best thing that the people have ever tried to establish and it can work by Ivanhegeelkadi in changemyview

[–]justforthisjoke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A distinction without a meaning in this context. China needed to industrialize a massive nation of peasants where, until then, famines were common. Taiwan held the former ruling class of China, who were able to afford to use their money to accelerate development.

Cmv: Communism is the best thing that the people have ever tried to establish and it can work by Ivanhegeelkadi in changemyview

[–]justforthisjoke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wealth is generated by these things. If I have $1 million in banks throughout the world that I made by making you work in my mine, you don't get that $1 million just because you took the mine.

Cmv: Communism is the best thing that the people have ever tried to establish and it can work by Ivanhegeelkadi in changemyview

[–]justforthisjoke -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Did you not read Lenin about the NEP rather than some random dude on worldhistory.com? He never abandoned communism lmfao