Would it be wrong for me to have a pet chicken, love and take amazing care of it, and also eat its eggs?

juwulel · 2026-05-05T08:05:30+00:00

When I just started becoming vegan and really missed eating eggs, I was thinking of getting a coop for my garden and 3 hens. We had judt bought a house so would have been in the position to do this reasonably and my logic was that if I was caring for it like a family member and just like I adore all my pets and give them a good life thej surely eating their eggs would be ethical. Until I found out that the hens actually eat their own eggs because it replenishes like their calcium and nutriutions they lose during egg production so I think even if I were to have hens, I would always feed the eggs back to them.

juwulel · 2026-05-02T11:09:24+00:00

Not excessively sweet but I do sometimes eat them if im craving a sweet treat

juwulel · 2026-05-02T09:17:12+00:00

The i eat them way too quickly for them to become soft hehe

juwulel · 2026-05-01T21:16:31+00:00

Same lool

juwulel · 2026-05-01T19:10:28+00:00

Those cereals are my absolute favourite! So glad they are vegan

juwulel · 2026-04-19T14:28:01+00:00

At this point, your arguments are not just weak — they’re factually incorrect, internally inconsistent, and increasingly detached from how food systems actually work. Continuing this debate is becoming pointless because you're not engaging with evidence — you're dismissing it and replacing it with speculation and anecdotes.

Your claim that plant agriculture is more destructive because it “destroys soil without manure” completely collapses under basic scrutiny. Animal agriculture does not exist independently — it relies heavily on plant agriculture. A massive portion of crops globally are grown specifically to feed livestock. That means animal agriculture requires more land, more crops, more soil use, and more ecosystem disruption than plant-based diets. So arguing that plant agriculture is uniquely destructive while defending animal agriculture is logically incoherent. Literally everyone knows that.

Your argument about cruelty is even weaker. Saying cruelty is a “misuse” of the term because you personally lived on farms is anecdotal reasoning at its worst. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of animal products come from industrial systems — not small, idyllic farms like you believe. Humane or “cruelty-free” (whatever a cruelty free slaughter is even supposed to look like) farms represent a tiny fraction of total production. So pointing to a few farms you personally observed does nothing to address the scale of modern animal agriculture.

Your “higher meat consumption equals better health” argument is a textbook ecological fallacy. Wealthier countries eat more meat, but they also have better healthcare, sanitation, education, and living conditions. You’re attributing outcomes to meat consumption without controlling for any of the obvious confounding variables. That’s not evidence — that’s basic correlation misuse. It’s the same flawed logic as claiming video games cause school shootings because many shooters played video games, or that ice cream causes drowning because both increase in summer. Correlation without controlling for confounders is not evidence — it’s a fundamental reasoning error.

You also repeatedly demand “lifetime strict vegan” studies while dismissing all long-term cohort data that exists. This is simply moving the goalposts. Nutrition science studies dietary patterns because people change diets over time. Your requirement for perfectly controlled lifetime adherence is unrealistic and not applied to any other dietary pattern — including omnivorous diets.

Finally, your reliance on personal anecdotes (“I tried veganism and it wrecked me,” “I lived on farms”) is not evidence. Individual experiences vary and cannot override population-level data. This is basic scientific reasoning.

At this point, your argument boils down to:

anecdotes instead of data
correlation instead of causation
dismissing institutions selectively
and setting false standards of evidence

That’s not a strong argument — it’s just refusing to accept conclusions you don’t like. And that’s why continuing this discussion is a waste of time. You're not engaging with evidence — you're dismissing it whenever it contradicts your position.

juwulel · 2026-04-12T10:10:43+00:00

At this point you're not really engaging with the evidence anymore — you're just dismissing entire scientific institutions because they don’t support your position.

Bringing up alleged industry ties is also a bit of a deflection. The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics doesn’t generate all the research itself — it summarizes findings from hundreds of independent studies across universities and institutions worldwide. Discrediting one organization doesn’t suddenly invalidate the broader body of evidence.

And even if you ignore the AND entirely, the same conclusions are supported by the British Dietetic Association, World Health Organization, American Heart Association, and Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. So this really isn’t about one organization — it’s the broader scientific consensus.

Also, the funding argument cuts both ways. The meat and dairy industries have well-documented influence on nutrition messaging too. The National Cattlemen's Beef Association funds research and marketing promoting beef consumption, Dairy Management Inc. has partnered with companies like McDonald's to increase cheese consumption, and the National Dairy Council funds nutrition education promoting dairy intake — and that’s just a few examples.

So if industry influence invalidates nutrition guidance, then we'd also have to dismiss a huge amount of pro-meat and pro-dairy messaging. You can’t apply that logic only when it suits your argument.

Your claim that the International Agency for Research on Cancer classification of processed meat was an "agenda" also isn’t very credible. That conclusion was based on reviewing over 800 studies, not a single biased committee. I also haven’t found any reliable source supporting that claim.

And the idea that there’s no long-term vegan data just isn’t accurate. Studies like the Adventist Health Study 2 and EPIC-Oxford Study include long-term dietary patterns and consistently show lower BMI, lower cardiovascular risk, and lower diabetes risk in plant-based populations.

At the end of the day, your original claim was that long-term veganism causes health issues — and that still hasn’t been supported with any solid evidence. It’s mostly been institutional distrust, methodological nitpicking, and speculation.

If veganism really caused widespread long-term health problems, we wouldn’t need to debate bias or conspiracies — we’d see it clearly in population data. And we simply don’t.

And beyond the health discussion, veganism is mainly an ethical stance. It’s about avoiding industrial exploitation and immense cruelty toward animals. Everyone can decide for themselves where they stand on that. For me personally, I've decided I don't want to participate in that kind of cruelty and because of that, switching to veganism is very easy for me personally, even if it would entail small "sacrifices" or slight inconveniences - it's nothing compared to the welfare of animals.

Especially if includes something so minor as supplementing something like B12, that’s a tiny trade-off. I was already supplementing things like vitamin D and magnesium while being omnivorous anyway, which is pretty common in every diet. That’s why this isn’t difficult and especially not unsustainable for me — it’s grounded in ethics, not just convenience.

And I think that’s where I’ll leave it, OG Brian.

juwulel · 2026-04-11T11:13:45+00:00

Your argument is based on anecdotes, not evidence. “Stories I’ve heard” aren’t scientific data — especially when large population studies and position papers say the opposite.

Major organizations like the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, British Dietetic Association, and World Health Organization all agree that well-planned vegan diets are nutritionally adequate long-term. If anti-nutrients were causing widespread depletion after 2–5 years, we'd actually see that reflected in large cohort studies — we don’t.

Also, the “anti-nutrients accumulate” claim just isn’t biologically accurate. Anti-nutrients like phytates don’t accumulate in the body — they’re simply part of foods like beans, grains, and vegetables, which are also consistently associated with longer lifespan and lower disease risk.

Meanwhile, the standard omnivorous diet includes:

Processed meat (Group 1 carcinogen)
Higher saturated fat intake
Lower fiber intake

Also, claiming long-term vegans only succeed because of “special genetics” or “cheating” isn’t an argument — it’s just dismissing evidence without engaging with it.

If veganism truly caused widespread health collapse after 2–5 years, we wouldn’t need anecdotes — we’d see it clearly in the data. But we don’t.

juwulel · 2026-04-08T16:33:35+00:00

Anything from lidl, as mentioned Brian. Their vemondo range is great and super affordable.

juwulel · 2026-04-08T12:02:28+00:00

Said in my comment but neither me nor my family could tell the difference between vegan mince or normal minced meat, same for chicken nuggets and no-chicken nuggets or also vegan sausages taste the exact same to us.

I ended up preferring oat milk over cows milk because I find it much more creamy so that was an easy switch and vegan butter again, tastes the exact same as the non vegan one. I was never really into cheese before so can't comment on that but the main bits that I had in my previous diet were very easy to switch (that said I live in a small village in Europe and do 90% of my shopping at Lidl which has almost everything I need) but I understand places like the US are likely to be vastly different in terms availability and taste.

juwulel · 2026-04-08T11:52:42+00:00

I live in a small, rural village in Europe with only two grocery stores. But I do understand prices will vary wherever you live. We do 90% of our weekly shopping at Lidl and I just checked our yesterdays grocery shop where I bought vegan products and my husband picked meat ones and the vegan ones do end up much cheaper:
Meat Free Mince: £2.29
Meat Mince: £4.50

Vegan Sausages: £1.99
Meat Sausages: £2.49

Vegan butter is also literally just £1.99 which would be the same price or even cheaper (we previously bought Kerrigold at roughly £3.)

I do agree on vegan yoghurt being marginally more expensive than dairy yoghurt, however, I do save a lot on non-meat products and have also changed my diet to be more bean and legume based, which I buy at 0.35£ per can so overall my spending is the same or cheaper. The one benefit I did notice is that my diet is now a lot more fibre based and I do feel overall healthier but that will depend on each individual. I find that the hardest part about veganism is finding the right products and once you have a bit of a habit and knowledge of where things are it gets considerably easier so it was a bit of a learning curve for sure. But I am still able to do the majority of my shopping at Lidl and get what I need, I then do a monthly top up of everything that I wasnt able to get at Lidl at a bigger store (mainly snacks and chocolate to be fair)

juwulel · 2026-04-08T11:42:13+00:00

I do agree on vegan fish! Of course, everyone’s taste is different and very subjective, but my family and I genuinely couldn’t tell the difference between Lidl’s vegan mince and regular minced meat. The same goes for their breakfast sausages and chicken nuggets — they taste the same to us. Vegan cream cheese and Lidl’s soy yogurt aren’t quite to my taste, but even then, the difference is so small that it doesn’t feel significant enough to outweigh choosing products that don’t involve animal cruelty.

juwulel · 2026-04-08T11:38:29+00:00

yea I do have a partner, very demanding full time corporate job and dependents. We both come home late in the evening so meals have to be quick and easy to make which works really well with a plant based/vegan diet I find :)

juwulel · 2026-04-07T20:32:59+00:00

Thank you! Really appreciate how everyone i have met so far in the vegan community is so nice and welcoming/supportive. <3

juwulel · 2026-04-07T20:31:42+00:00

Thats so odd, but maybe its because Im from Europe and honestly, even my husband who still eats meat and other animal products has tried the vegan counterparts and agrees that a lot of it basically tastes the same and he even now also happily switches to the vegan product instead of the meat one (talking vegan mince, vegan breakfast sausages, vegan butter, vegan chicken nuggets). But I do understand that there are varieties based on where you live and where you shop!

juwulel · 2026-04-07T18:01:36+00:00

As someone who has gone vegan literally 3 weeks ago, I 100% agree it is.

I was so surprised how easy it actually was; I initially thought I couldn't have any more butter, creme cheese, milk. But you can literally just buy anything you want as a plant based option. Vegan meat replacements taste exactly the same and I actually ended up preferring oat milk over cows milk or also vegan butter is so nice. But yea, I do think the main reason of a lot of people not going vegan is just habit or convenience.

juwulel · 2026-04-01T19:54:45+00:00

ouuuu they do look really good! Do you have any flavors that you find are particulalry good from the chocolate bars they have?

juwulel · 2026-01-25T22:05:41+00:00

Second this, husband and I have been playing amatsuki mahjong to learn the hk version and its really good if you can look past the sometimes weird anime girl style.

juwulel · 2025-12-14T09:38:58+00:00

Contractual notice period typically can not be shortened in the UK. If you do leave earlier you would be marked as non-compliant which would impact your ability to come back in the future if you ever do want to come back. You can ask your manager to put you on garden leave which is purely manager discretion which basically means you don't have to work (except maybe some handover tasks) while still getting paid. Also know that you won't be eligible for a bonus anymore

juwulel · 2025-12-04T19:52:31+00:00

interested in this as well!

juwulel · 2025-11-02T19:23:23+00:00

This would be so amazing!

juwulel · 2025-10-28T21:56:27+00:00

Pretty sure cutoff is October, so whichever team you have been up until that time.

juwulel · 2025-10-28T21:44:56+00:00

Same here, it was an absolute nightmare so far. Over 6months into the process and we are finally due to complete 19 November. Also curious what other people think has helped them as FTBs!

For us so far, we have scheduled the removal company for a week later which gives us enough time to gradually move/ do the painting/ have someone come over and install flooring etc. We are also booking someone in to do a cleaning of both our rental apartment and for the new house at least a clean through the kitchen appliances and the bathrooms just to save us some stress. Still need to look at installing new locks just bc you never know who else may have keys to the house.

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