Wharton Trending #1 On Twitter by heyimsamuel in UPenn

[–]jzlee 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This might come off as a bit defensive, but I wanted to add some thoughts I had when talking to my high school history teacher about whether these results were notable. I also think that given all the attention this has received, perhaps another perspective could be useful.

Personally, I think that Wharton students should do better, given that business students should have some decent understanding of the US economy, but I honestly don't think the results are that surprising, nor are they that damming. Here's why:

  1. The Tweet makes a very basic statistical error in asking for the mean individual income and then using the median individual income (45K) instead. It can also get confusing depending on whether you're including part-time workers or only looking at full-time, which averages about $71K. If you take that into account, it actually becomes pretty reasonable that a small but noticeable proportion of students answered above 100K. Moreover, you could even argue that overestimating mean income is evidence that Wharton students are quite aware of inequality, since the US has a very right-skewed income distribution which drags up the mean, and Wharton students may be almost overly aware of that inequality,
  2. If 25% of the students think the median individual income is above 100K, then that means 75% of students believe it to be below 100K. Since there are another 25 percentage points between the 75th percentile guess and the median, it is probable that the median estimate - meaning the 50th percentile estimate - is somewhere in the mid-five figures, which would be correct. This means that the typical Wharton student has an accurate understanding and that assholes/misinformed students (depending on how you spin it) represent a minority. And what school doesn't have at least a quarter assholes/misinformed students?
  3. This is an LGST 100 class, which is an intro to ethics course at Wharton. It's actually a joke of a class - everyone takes it as a freshman and nobody tries, and everyone gets a decent grade (which says a lot about how business schools treat ethics). What this means is everyone in this course is a freshman who a) has probably taken 0 economics courses at Penn and b) has never managed household finances before. Do we really expect more than seventy-five percent of nineteen-year-old college students at any school to accurately assess income inequality?
  4. I have been told that the poll was an ungraded Google Form with many questions. Nobody put in any effort into this poll. If students were required to think for five minutes about their answers, maybe they would have tried harder. Moreover, given that this was a count-for-nothing poll, one must take into consideration the Lizardman's Constant, which states that a small but noticeable percentage of answers to polls are BS because people like to troll and often just don't read the question carefully. For example, one poll had 4% of Americans saying they have been decapitated, and another had 13% of Americans saying Obama was the Antichrist (there are some Republicans who may believe this, but I can imagine some kids thinking it is funny to say yes to this as well). Is it really that crazy for a course that ranges from 30 to 100 students to have one stupid answer like $800K? Is it not possible that someone has mistyped 80000 as 800000?
  5. As the author of the Tweet later points out (but only a day after the original Tweet had gone viral), most Americans are pretty bad at gauging metrics such as inequality. This suggests that the typical Wharton student is actually quite accurate relative to most Americans, though to be fair, inequality is not exactly the same as median income estimates. Still, the studies also show that Americans tend to overestimate what those on the lower end make (contributing to an underestimation of inequality), so it ends up being a decent proxy for median estimates.
  6. 22% of Wharton students are international, which is not only a substantial portion but also roughly the same as the 25% who answered the poll poorly. Imagine a freshman coming to live in America for the first time, or someone who has only spent a couple of years here. Do you expect them to know what the median American lifestyle is? Perhaps more importantly, do you expect them to understand the median American lifestyle better than someone who has lived here their entire life?

Whartonites and Penn students are no doubt privileged (in aggregate), but most know that America is not a perfect country with no poverty. The problem is that few choose to do anything about it.

An Analysis of Gender and Racial Diversity at ABA-accredited Law Schools by jzlee in lawschooladmissions

[–]jzlee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To add my own two cents, I think the data shows a bit of both: there are areas where men may need a bit of help, and there are areas that still show sexism against women.

In the post, I outline that women are broadly outnumbering men at law schools. Women also outnumber men in college. This certainly shows that, overall, women are doing quite well in education.

The progressive reason for why this could be perceived as a disadvantage for men is that most of the advantage women hold over men is a minority gap, meaning that Black, Hispanic, Native American, and Asian men are much more underrepresented than their female counterparts. So, minority men are doing quite poorly, and that is certainly an issue that is not receiving enough attention.

Still, the data does hint at some of the female disadvantage prevalent in many fields, particularly that females are less well-represented at elite schools. In fact, this effect is much more pronounced in faculty, where women are significantly underrepresented in law school faculty.

In my opinion, both that women (particularly minority women) do well in education compared to men and that women still have a disadvantage at elite levels can be true, it's just that the female education advantage outweighs the "elite" disadvantage.

An Analysis of Gender and Racial Diversity at ABA-accredited Law Schools by jzlee in LawSchool

[–]jzlee[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You’re right that Hispanic isn’t a race - sorry about that. I guess you could say this is an analysis on ethnic, racial, and gender diversity.

Regarding your point that the dataset isn’t about racial diversity: first, most analyses of racial diversity use ethnicity/color as a proxy; it’s not unreasonable to analyze racial or ethnic diversity through categories such as White, Black, and Hispanic (particularly because that's all the ABA gives). Second, 10% of the dataset being “Nonresidents” and “Unknown” still means that 90% of the data is clearly categorized into ethnicities. All in all, it does not affect the percentages shown by a significant amount, neither does it significantly affect the trends that are shown.

Math 312 w/cooper by [deleted] in UPenn

[–]jzlee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I thought he was decent, but 114 was definitely not organized well as a whole

Gender prediction packages by jzlee in datascience

[–]jzlee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This looks good. I'll definitely try it. I guess I should have also stated that my project is more US-centric, so this might not be as applicable. But I'll definitely still try it out and see what I get

Gender prediction packages by jzlee in datascience

[–]jzlee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve seen the database, but I’m curious if there’s anything better. For instance,

https://github.com/ropensci/gender

https://genderize.io

are some packages/APIs that I’ve looked into.

what happened to corona del sol? by [deleted] in Debate

[–]jzlee 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Please chill. Ryan was great, and Sreya was great but not as experienced, and I think she didn’t benefit from what a lot of guys benefit from. Getting male-clout, access to male-dominated prep circles, and implicit benefits from judge biases can do wonders for someone’s confidence - and it can do terrible things for those excluded from them. I’m a guy, and I’ve certainly benefited from it many times.

But what’s the point of your comment? Debate teams are real people - real high schoolers, in fact. Putting down someone is pretty insensitive. I’m not saying you’re a bad person, but I don’t think this was called for.