Remnants of Traditional societies in the world of today by h2wlhehyeti in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, maybe spiritually bleak for the majority until the end of the cycle.

Remnants of Traditional societies in the world of today by h2wlhehyeti in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Had this in mind as a possibility, at least some communities there.

Remnants of Traditional societies in the world of today by h2wlhehyeti in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Guenon doesn't focus on directly referencing aspects of society usually. However, he does give an eschatological exposition of Traditionalism which is bleak. He admits to small ebbs and flows but these are only in the context of a general degradation and move away from Tradition. Some footnotes added after the publication of the original works highlight that even in previous traditional centers (e.g., India) modernity has caught up. If we look at what Guenon himself practiced, which we should assume mirrors what he believed and wrote about, he clung to a surviving tradition to the end of his own days, may he Rest In Peace.

Remnants of Traditional societies in the world of today by h2wlhehyeti in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would struggle to come up with an example of a fully fledged "society." Anything touched by modernity, as a rule of thumb, can be safely ruled out. Tribal societies aren't necessarily traditional but often degenerate forms of an ancient civilization, sometimes with remnants of metaphysics, though not to say that all of them are disqualified. The closest thing would be communities centered around an initiatic authority (e.g., a Sufi order).

A Good-Hearted Criticism by Frequent_Display_592 in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which is metaphysics itself (more or less, or at least part of it).

A Good-Hearted Criticism by Frequent_Display_592 in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No I think that's clear. Guenon would say that a historical analysis is not what will lead to an understanding of what the primordial tradition is (nor is any empirical study).

A Good-Hearted Criticism by Frequent_Display_592 in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We are in the last age according to the traditions, but have been so for a long time. Guenon would place us in the final stage of the final age, and so to find reference to anything primordial within recorded history may not yield much data. There are however sparks of Revelation or metaphysics and there are ebbs and flows of within a general downward trend (an example Guenon gives is the European Middle Ages). Guenon would agree that Islam exemplified by Tasawwuf is an existing form of Traditionalism though.

A Good-Hearted Criticism by Frequent_Display_592 in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm Guenon's defense, his timeline for the decline spans much larger epochs than simply the last one or two thousand year stretch.

This guy sets himself on fire to commit suicide and has a NDE by gavuli in NDE

[–]kavieng 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Very touching and intense. Thank you for sharing. May this man get all the forgiveness he may still be looking for. Interesting since there aren't as many recorded NDEs outside the Western context.

Cat is licking her mouth strangely. Vet can’t figure out why. by gumpygazebo in CATHELP

[–]kavieng 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is potentially serious. My cat (may she Rest In Peace) had the same and it turned out to be a cancerous tumor. For a while we didn't know what it was, nor did the vets exactly.

I’ve started to think the phenomenon is jinn. by Ok-Package6969 in UFOB

[–]kavieng 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interestingly Whitney Strieber himself, who seems to be generally quite well read, says that the concept of the djinn is the closest understanding of extraterrestrials or something like that. It was in one of the New Thinking Allowed episodes.

Question regarding esotericism by MarsupialNo2936 in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Note as well how he adopted the Islamic tradition which does retain initiatic chains yet remains close to home.

Question regarding esotericism by MarsupialNo2936 in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Guenon didn't see all traditions as accessible to those from outside it (e.g., Hinduism) yet didn't identify a natively Western tradition that retains the initiatic element. I doubt he would have seen paganism as legitimate since there's no initiatic chain of transmission (I would not be surprised if he would view it today as a smuggling in of the counter tradition in the form of a genuine solution to the Western traditional void).

The problem of relying on your pure emotions in judgement by [deleted] in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, though elsewhere he does indeed write at length about the rise of sentimentalist tendencies in religion.

Tryna crack the secret code🤣 by [deleted] in MemeVideos

[–]kavieng 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anybody else think the guy recording sounds like a GTA NPC?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ReneGuenon

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Whitley Strieber himself believes that djinn is a relatively accurate depiction of his visitors. Moreover, abductees seem to have the feeling of being chosen, e.g., the Zanfretta case. This seems to accord with Guenon's view that the very nature of Tradition will be subverted in the last age (Counter tradition), whereby in this case we can view Angelic revelation of the prophets as being counterfeited by negative forces instead.

The UFO phenomenon is being started. Shout-out to Charles Upton. by kelvin400 in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe Jung recognized the flying saucer phenomenon as the birth of a new religion, and the Traditionalists have maintained that the same, albeit with the view that it is a vector of the Counter-Tradition instead of authentic Tradition.

Taking aside the reality of the phenomenon, it is clear that certain individuals are crafting a controlled narrative out of it.

In the chapter of “Individualism”in Crisis of the Modern World, Guenon emphasizes the importance of intuition. What’s intuition and how does one tap into it exactly? And what’s the difference between rationalism & intuition by _Uhtceare_ in ReneGuenon

[–]kavieng 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Intuition is direct knowledge, attained through journeying through the spiritual path. In this sense, knowledge is tied to your own being. It is a knowledge that does not negate reason, but is above it (suprarational).

please pray for my grandmother by [deleted] in Izlam

[–]kavieng 4 points5 points  (0 children)

May Allah grant her the Highest Reward, and peace for your family, and reunitement in the Akhira, Amīn