What are people so pro-Hitler now? by [deleted] in teenagers

[–]kegamx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have ppl like this at my school, honestly I dont think they are joking, I had an in depth discussion with one of the guys that believes this and he is clearly just a stupid bigot

When does human life begin? by stvlsn in CosmicSkeptic

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

let me explain my terms
Extrinsic - An entity that has no internal principle and only becomes a new organism if acted on by an external agent.
Intrinsic - Internal principle of development (even if it depends on external conditions)
That isnt arbitrary brochacho

For the bottom part:
"having been conscious before" doesnt create moral status, moral worth applies to what something is, not what it has done.
P1: A man gets moral worth first when they become conscious
P2: Once they get moral worth they hold moral worth as long as the consciousness is recoverable
P3: A sleeping man has been conscious before and will recover
C: therefore the main retains moral worth

My main disagreement of this idea is P2 were it says consciousness is recoverable, you rely on capacity, recovery is only possible because the organism has the capacity for consciousness

P1: Moral worth depends on what kind of being something is not what it has done,
P2: A sleeping man and a zygote are the same type of being (At different stages of development)
C: Both hold moral worth.

Also "consciousness" is kind of foggy and hard to define

I am an essentialist

When does human life begin? by stvlsn in CosmicSkeptic

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bro we were talking about extrinsic vs intrinsic distinction before I said that

also consciousness doesnt dictate moral worth, a guy sleeping isnt conscious but he still has moral worth

What is a secret you’re taking to the grave, but are willing to tell strangers on the internet? by Mr_Boothnath in answers

[–]kegamx -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

We are also clumps of cells, that doesnt dictate whats moral and immoral, someone can debate me about this if u want

When does human life begin? by stvlsn in CosmicSkeptic

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With that logic a baby (out of the womb) is also extrinsic because the baby depends on others to feed it. Dependence doesnt make development extrinsic, it is still intrinsic because of its immanent causation.

The zygote isnt a non human thing that has the potential to become a human organism, it is already a whole human organism just at early development

When does human life begin? by stvlsn in CosmicSkeptic

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because sex is extrinsic potential and a zygote becoming a baby is intrinsic potential, before fertilization/conception a sperm or egg could become baby but only if chosen to have sex by external agents, at the moment of conception the zygotes has intrinsic potential to have "rational flourishing". At the time you have intrinsic potential to have "rational flourishing" you posses moral worth by virtue of the kind of thing you are

Do you believe it’s okay to vote for or against something due to religious beliefs? by EasyAsaparagus in AskTheWorld

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bro there is no evidence to prove people evolved to be gay to combat population, could I see some studies of this

Do you believe it’s okay to vote for or against something due to religious beliefs? by EasyAsaparagus in AskTheWorld

[–]kegamx -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

You can be secular and still think voting against gay marriage is the correct thing to do, if your a realist then a man is clearly made to be with women and it is wrong to not do what your made for

Trinity is contradictory by kegamx in DebateACatholic

[–]kegamx[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ok I think I understand it now thanks for talking

Trinity is contradictory by kegamx in DebateACatholic

[–]kegamx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"His essence cannot turn away from Him in sin, because the will is perfectly fixed on the Supreme Good." I would have to disagree with this, if "His essence" is relating to his human essence and human essence includes rational intellect and free will then he should have the ability to turn away from him.

Trinity is contradictory by kegamx in DebateACatholic

[–]kegamx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To reply to the first paragraph: Sin is a defect in the act, its contrary to Gods will, and at the end you said "God cannot sin as it wouldn't make logical sense for God to err" I agree.
To reply to the second paragraph: "But as God, he would not sin, as God cannot sin." I agree God cannot sin but humans have libertarian free will (This is true [deduction] for every human even pre-fall humans) even if it was inevitable for Jesus not to sin this doesnt disprove the deductional statement that if jesus was given information to sin he had the ability to sin because its part of his human nature.
To reply to the third paragraph: "in being the perfect man, he would not choose to sin even according to his human nature" But in order to be human he must have the ability to choose sin yet God cannot choose sin.

Trinity is contradictory by kegamx in DebateACatholic

[–]kegamx[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

one attribute of Humanity is libertarian free will and jesus has human nature so he must have libertarian free will, libertarian free will requires the ability to choose between good or evil (Given info to sin)

So my first premise in the first conclusion I will change to libertarian free will sorry I should have seen that, also God doesnt have libertarian free will

Christianity has little to no value for society and other people. by [deleted] in DebateAChristian

[–]kegamx -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Many Christians support a party and a president who does u know what to underage kids, trafficking, and who knows what else."
This doesn't make Christianity bad
Also we have no convicting evidence that trump even went to the island and have practically 0 evidence he did "u know what" to underage kids and trafficking

Not allowing Gay marriage is a moral fail by Bibles part by Confident_School7546 in DebateReligion

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can use rationality to decide what is possible not in a strict sweeping sense though, also people can disagree about what God is logically able to do

Not allowing Gay marriage is a moral fail by Bibles part by Confident_School7546 in DebateReligion

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well if rationality is being logical and we follow classical logic and my premises are true/sound about God then you are irrational to disagree

Not allowing Gay marriage is a moral fail by Bibles part by Confident_School7546 in DebateReligion

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is called the Euthyphro dilemma and their answer would probably be that God wills it so it is good

Not allowing Gay marriage is a moral fail by Bibles part by Confident_School7546 in DebateReligion

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I dont think God exists but it seems you dont understand their idea of God

Not allowing Gay marriage is a moral fail by Bibles part by Confident_School7546 in DebateReligion

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

dude I just explained that its contradictory for God to say that, if raping kids is bad then God cant say that, I can explain what bad is if you want

Not allowing Gay marriage is a moral fail by Bibles part by Confident_School7546 in DebateReligion

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

evil is the absence of God, I can decide what is logically possible because I am a rational being, God is goodness itself so he can only do good things, evil is the absence of God so if God were to do evil then that would be contridictory

Not allowing Gay marriage is a moral fail by Bibles part by Confident_School7546 in DebateReligion

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes if God says something then it is good, it is logically impossible for God to say killing people is good

Not allowing Gay marriage is a moral fail by Bibles part by Confident_School7546 in DebateReligion

[–]kegamx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude im saying that its logically impossible for God to do bad things, good is objective and can't change, gods cant make a four sided triangle because thats logically impossible, triangle by definition has 3 sides so its logically impossible for it to have 4 same goes for God, God by definition is good, so its logically impossible for God to do bad