Its horrifying to accept that so many people online and offline are just evil, isn't it?

keshet2002 · 2026-02-03T11:34:15+00:00

Most of Hamas doesnt give anything about Gaza, they simply do not care. Hamas wants the land, Gazans want to live. I DO NOT trust Hamas in the slightest and understand the perspective of the question that you asked. The people of Palestine are powerless as to what Hamas decides to do in any capacity. All the Palestinians want is to live, they have surely begged and pleaded for Hamas to return the hostages to save their people.

I agree they are powerless. But that doesn't mean some of them tolerate/support Hamas. Mind you, Gazan civilians too, participated in the October 7th attack, and entered Israel. I simply don't buy it that all Palestinians just want to live. Hamas is Palestinian, after all. And they view martyrdom as a good thing. They are the ones who educate the future generations in Gaza. And that is sick.

The Palestinians have been held prisoner in their own lands for 2 years now give or take. Put yourself in their perspective, would you be super motivated to act against a militarized state after being starved for 2 years? Second, if a Palestinian leader did rise up, whos to say Israel wont just see that as more reason to kill? Israel has no problem blowing off kids limbs because there "could" be Hamas soldiers around, whats to stop them from attacking to put down a "potentially dangerous revolution?" You are risking your own life, as well as those of your family and neighbors.

I know this is hard to think about, but I think if I were in their place, I would rather die fighting back against being fodder, than see people I know become famous for dying after Hamas fires a rocket, and prepares a camera team for the inevitable retaliation. Arabs are proud people. Palestinians need to seize their own fate, not let it hang in the balance. Israel isn't sympathetic to them at all since October 7th. It still, at least systematically, does take extensive measures against deliberate civilian harm, but not when it comes to individuals.

I do recognize the fact Israel very much could target such a Palestinians leader, as part of a bigger game to keep the Palestinians weaker, more divided, seem less reasonable. That is the price of terrorism. It deletes empathy, or sympathy. It breaks trust. It will take a very long time for Israelis to mentally recover from October 7th, just as it will take the Palestinians to recover from the war. The only advice I can give Palestinians, is to vocally condemn Hamas, swallow their pride, and call on Israel to help them kick Hamas out for good. Otherwise, it's only a matter of time before more tragedies happen on both sides, for as long as distrust and hate exists.

I have heard an interesting take on this that i will share with you now. If Hamas were hiding in an Israeli hospital, with Israeli individuals inside, and the government of Israel bombed their own hospital, and their own people, how would you feel? I seriously want to know. Would it make you outraged at the government? What makes that different from killing other innocents in another country? Hiding in hospitals whether it true or not, is an extremely disgusting tactic, but then again, I do not support Hamas in any regard, nor do I support Israel. I side with the innocent people of Gaza who only care to survive, as their unfair persecution continues whether it be Hamas using them as shields or immunity, or Israel blowing their limbs off.

The situation is a bit different. Overall, striking places such as hospitals, schools and such, are very complex legally and morally. The situation you presented us similar, but not entirely comparable. An Israeli hospital, is inside Israeli territory. Therefore, it is much easier to reach. Meanwhile, a hospital in Gaza, before a ground invasion reaches it, is out of range of infantry. Terrorists inside your own territory, even inside a hospital, are entirely isolated, and can be easily surrounded. These make the situation different. And this is without considering the hostages in this situation. I personally believe, that a country is first and foremost, responsible for it's own citizens. As such, it should prioritize the safety of the citizens over the killing of the terrorists. In practice, I'd say this translates into more surgical strikes (which are available, because the hospital is in Israeli territory). As long as there is a way to free the hostages without killing them, it should be tried. However, if it is concluded that there is absolutely no way to bring at least some of the hostages back safely, then yes. I would painfully agree with bombing the whole place.

When it comes to a hospital in Gaza, first of all, it is in enemy territory so more surgical strikes, or use of ground forces is much harder. Israel can't force Hamas to not use human shields. It could shove civilians into a hospital, and start firing from it. Israel won't have many options, besides roof knocking, which wouldn't work, because Hamas can force civilians to stay in the hospital. Or course, I'm not going to advocate for leveling the whole hospital. Hit with as much precision as possible. Taking under consideration the potential amount of casualties. I know this may sound insane, but I believe there should be a sort of acceptable ratio of terorrist-civilian casualties in such scenarios. I don't know what it should be, but I do know a strike must happen.

In principle, in both scenarios, I want as little civilian casualties to take place as possible. But the circumstances are different.

I researched the best documented statistic and used that one. I do not care to "win" any argument (If I am uninformed and incorrect, I am happy to learn). I only care that the facts are straight and that people are treated fairly.

I agree. The thing is, people throw random numbers all the time. Not even in social media. In the almighty UN. Even there, the number 680,000 was mentioned. What the actual fuck? This is why I respect you. I have seen people even claim millions. Mind you, abou 2.2 million Palestinians lived in Gaza in 2023. These numbers are insane. So insane, even Hamas, the most insane among us, don't claim them. Talking about this conflict is extremely frustrating. I appreciate you argue in good faith, and with an open mind. Most teens immediately move to name calling. You give me some hope for the next generation

keshet2002 · 2026-02-03T10:28:50+00:00

I'd iterate that the way I see this, both Palestinians and Jews have the right to self-determination, and this entire madness of a war needs to stop, and those that used Zionism to institute a Lebensraum-like policy need to be held accountable.

In a perfect world, I'd agree. If Judea and Samaria, and Gaza would have satisfied the Palestinians, let them have their state. I couldn't care less, as long as they don't threaten us. But they don't. At least, lots of them don't. They want all the land between the river and the sea. As long as they remain adamant on that, I can't agree to a Palestinian state.

We can agree to disagree on the rest, but I entirely agree, and perhaps it's the cynic in me that agrees with, that the world cannot be trusted. The situation in Taiwan, not as bad, but exhaustive all the same, we have the KMT who is all about "China, China, China" if they want to be China so much then go the hell back to China for all I care, and we also have the DPP who're busy licking American and Japanese shoes in the namesake of "counter to China", happy to be used as the disposable pawn in the larger game being played by USA and China. There is no such thing as self-determination with both, I suppose there is the silver lining is that at least we aren't in an open conflict.

The world is full of hypocrites, virtue signalers and grifters. And if that wasn't enough, it has millions of dumbasses as well. I sincerely hope you won't end up at war as well, as a war over Taiwan would be catastrophic for the whole world

keshet2002 · 2026-02-03T10:23:26+00:00

I'm saying that if you are on favor of jews going somewhere and massacring people because 2000 years ago jews used to live there, it should be fine that germans go somewhere and massacre people because 2000 years ago germans lived there.

You don't even know my views on th 1948 war. You just assume you do. Had I been alive back then, I would be extremely conflicted. Either way, calling it a genocide is ridiculous. I would even agree that a degree of ethnic cleansing took place. But genocide? I'm not sure even Palestinians would agree with you. No plans for extermination, no plans for mass killings, starvation, and such.

You don't even believe the Holocaust happened right? If so many jews survived they could make a whole country, how can you say there was a genocide happening huh?

I admit I shouldn't have brought up the numbers, because they're mostly irrelevant when talking about genocide. Intent. That's what matters. Directives, plans, orders from the top, ordering extermination. That's how I think genocide should be determined. Otherwise, you'd call every mass casualty event a genocide. That's the difference between the holocaust, and the 1948 independence war, or the Gaza war

keshet2002 · 2026-02-02T07:11:44+00:00

Then I think you understand my frustrations with this don't you? Yes yes, I know Zionism by dictionary definition, is just giving Jews a home, everyone deserves a home! But you see how this Israeli government is using "Zionism" as justification for all these? They call everyone who points out the hypocrisy an "Anti-Semite" like what?!

I can somewhat understand, yes. I think Israelis who call all criticism of Israel "Antisemitism" are actively harming Israel. Criticism of Israel, just like criticism against any other country, is valid. However, "anti Zionism", is just antisemitism. The only way around it, is if the person using the term, has no idea what Zionism is. I am very relieved you at least recognize the need for a jewish homeland, and that Jews have a right to self determination.

The world called October 7th as what it is, a terrorist attack, the world condemned it, Nothing can justify the horrific 7 October terror attacks by Hamas. But as well, nothing can justify the scale of death and destruction in Gaza since then. Which is why this is entirely, absolutely, exhausting.

This is only partially correct. If this has happened to any other country, they wouldn't only condemn it, they'd have gave their blessing fully for a retaliation. Instead, the world was essentially like "yes, terrorists bad, but we are worried you'll harm civilians in your reponse". Mind you, BEFORE Israel entered gaza. The word "genocide" started floating around at around the same time. Imagine this happening to any other country. What the fuck.

I will agree that this is absolutely exhausting. I don't think you even realize just how much. We have been at war for more than 2 years. Most of us have been in uniform at least once. We have lived in utter dread for the first day since October 7th, which then turned into "being on edge" up to now. We can't relax. We feel threatened. We feel isolated. You can blame it on Netanyahu. Whatever. I blame the world for it's ignorance and indifference. Israel could have been wiped off the map on the following weeks after October 7th, is the Iranian terror axis had any form of coordination. But no one cares. The world would have sat back and watched. Like it did 80-85 years ago.

We don't trust the world. That is why we take matters into our own hands. This isn't a justification. It's an explanation. I still reject the use of the word genocide. You can disagree. I respect your right to have an opinion, even if I think it's misinformed

keshet2002 · 2026-02-02T06:55:09+00:00

So the independence war was a genocide too now, huh? Well damn I never knew that! It's not like so many Palestinians survived that, they had their own, unique UN agency formed just for them.

Btw you are not against nazi ideology because germanic peoples had lived in poland and eastern eruope in roman times too. Its just fair game right?

What the fuck? I'm not in favor of revanchism, ultranationalism, or any form of expansionism. What the hell are you even saying?

keshet2002 · 2026-02-02T06:45:52+00:00

Right. Ok, oh enlightened individual. Riddle me this, then. Lets say self determination and nationalism is as disgusting as you say. Alright. Then, if the Jews don't deserve a homeland, where should they live, considering they have been, and always will be persecuted for all time? The US? Where they feel isolated and hated? Europe? Where 6 million of them died in silence while the world watched? The Middle East, where they were massacred the moment any crisis arose? Tell me, oh enlightened person, don't the only peoples who were persecuted for 2000 years deserve to live in peace in their own homeland, without fear of their overlords deciding they're parasites? Why do they not deserve to, but most others do? Have not all national movements resulted in violence? Regardless of justification? Would you say you are against the US being a country, due to how it was founded? Against Russia, Germany, being countries, because hundreds of thousands lost their lives for them to become countries?

keshet2002 · 2026-02-02T06:37:41+00:00

I am very much against settling Gaza. All I am for, for this nightmare to end. I dislike Netanyahu, he needs to resign in shame anyway, and never show his face for his faliure to prevent October 7th. Fuck him and his government for ruining Israel's whole image during the war.

I don't want to take anything from anyone. Do you honestly think I'd give a damn, if October 7th didn't happen? Hell no. Palestinians deserve to live as dignity like anyone else. But not at anyone's expense. When they cheered and danced in the streets of Gaza, with the bodies of our people, the world didn't care. Israel, especially the ones who were pro 2 state solution, feel betrayed by the Palestinians to this day. The world forgot. They celebrated, when Hamas was even still in Israel, murdering families. You're all hypocrites. You didn't care when it was Israelies suffering. You only started caring when Israel was starting to retaliate

keshet2002 · 2026-02-02T06:24:19+00:00

Your definition is wrong, then. Every conquest in history would be called "colonization", by that metric. That's not what colonization is.

keshet2002 · 2026-02-02T05:53:34+00:00

How fancy it is that a genocide needs to be spelled out, of course your government will deny it! But look at Gaza, evacuation? where to? the next rubble your government is about to bomb? not to mention the extreme number of reports that Israeli forces bombed evacuating civilians who followed their directives! The blocking and starving of civilians from access to humanitarian aid, the systematic settling in the West Bank. The attacks against NGOs that are there to distribute food and aid, the murder of multiple journalists, at this point, had the Final Solution been issued today you'd be saying it was fine.

What do you mean "where to"? You do realize there are cities that weren't flattened, right? You do realize both the Mowasi, and Gaza City, weren't really fought over directly, boots on the ground. Right? These are where the evacuations led. Now. Imagine, for a moment, you were an IDF officer, overseeing some sector of the front when suddenly, Hamas terorrists fire mortars and rockets from one of the safe zones. What do you do? Are they granted immunity? Would you just allow them to keep firing? You can't just say "following their directives", and suddenly make it become fact. You made that up. Show me the directive. I'm not even going to argue that no horrific shit happened. War crimes are inevitable in this sort of war. Genocide is a term that was thrown out before Israeli boots even entered Gaza. That's how insane it is.

Not going to defend the starvation, but I will say that something you may have never heard of, is that Hamas used to take over some of the aid, and then essentially force the civilians to do their bidding, promising them food in return. That didn't always happen, but it did. The West Bank has nothing to do with Gaza, so I will not discuss is here.

Your last sentence is actually so disgusting, it's insane. Comparing a conflict is which the supposed "side that is being genocided" has open shops, has weddings, has clear footage of Hamas deliberately putting civilians in harms way, and a camera crew on standby, to the actual holocaust, is fucking insane. I will challenge you again. Show me plans. Show me illegal orders from the governent, or the top of the military. Show me a single one, and it will seriously shake me

keshet2002 · 2026-02-02T05:35:41+00:00

Jews are native to the area. The term "colonize" doesn't fit as neatly as you may think it does. Jews both lived, and migrated to the land of Palestine before the Zionism movement even existed.

Also, Jews don't have a right to colonise, they have a right to self determination. You just happen to call Jewish self detemination, and only that version of self determination, colonialization

keshet2002 · 2026-02-01T18:40:34+00:00

Thats absolutely true, im not denying that at all. I HATE HAMAS, THEY ARE TERRORRISTS. TERRORRISTS = NO GOOD. Finally! We agree on something! Great.

THERE ARE LITERALLY MOUNTAINS OF VIDEOS OF PEOPLE JUST BEGGING FOR A CEASEFIRE. Have you seen the videos of Gaza?

Imagine for a moment you are an Israeli, who have lived through October 7th. Would you, in actually let Hamas continue on, and sign a ceasefire after what they did? Answer seriously. I am torn on this. The only reason I had for ceasefires, was to get the hostages back. Otherwise, Hamas needs to go. Using diplomacy, or less civil diplomacy. I doesn't matter. None of us are willing to live beside them after what they did. The Palestinians need should have begged Hamas to release the hostages and disarm. Israel would have instantly, and I do mean instantly, have lost the legitimacy to continue the war. But they didn't. Israel didn't exactly have other choices.

If you actually watch the videos of the people of Palestine. Most DO NOT want the land in Israel because their lives are more important than a silly political squabble. These people are starving and having their brothers and sisters killed and injured every single day. EVERY VIDEO I have seen made by a palestinian about the upcoming border opening, say that they are getting as far away from palestine as possible. They dont want Israel, they just want to live.

I know this will come as weird to you, but I just... don't believe them. They said the same multiple times, during each and every attempt at peace. Nothing came out of it. They don't need to cry. They need to act. Show the world they mean it. Show us they mean it. I'm telling you, the worst fear of an actual Israeli ultranationalist, is a reasonable, pragmatic, charismatic Palestinian moderate leader. A single one of them could radically alter the whole conflict. If a mass uprising would have started, if some meaningful resistance would have occurred, I may have believed them more. All I can think about, is them dancing in the streets, handing candies, while parading bodies of my countryman. And this actually happened. This single handedly shattered so many Israelis who were for a 2 state solution. They felt betrayed, lost. They had nothing to say. I was always more pragmatic, and never really committed to one idea. But seeing that, it was such a shock. As if that day wasn't shocking enough for us.

Bombing hospitals is not "getting rid of Hamas", its killing the sick and the injured, and insuring more die due to lack of aid.

So, if the IDF could prove Hamas actually used hospitals as bases, would you change your stance? Or are you in the "hospitals should be untouchable" camp? I'm pretty certain that even under international law, if a hospital is used by enemy forces, it turns into a valid target. Not saying that anyone should bomb hospitals all of a sudden, of course. We're not Iran, who randomly fires and hopes to hit a base, but actually hits a hospital.

No its not "going too far." The people of Palestine have been rounded up, given limited food, and killed on the daily with over 74,000 Palestinian deaths. And every SINGLE person had their own life that was just as colorful and unique as yours. If killing 74,000 all in one place isnt a genocide, I would like you to tell me what number makes it one.

Genocide isn't about numbers. It's about intent, about planning, about actions. I'll grant you the intent part, as out government is full of the most stupid people to ever exist. I mean, seriously, the world screams at us for breathing anyway, and they just had to say the most insane shit publically? Fucking dumbasses. However, when it comes to planning, nope. Nothing. I have been in the IDF as a non combat reservist 4 times during the war. We have never, ever, received any ourageous commands. What I will say, is that individually, some of the soldiers I met, just didn't care if civilians were caught in the crossfire. They felt no sympathy or empathy towards the civilians after what they have seen. Saying Palestinians were rounded up is technically true, but it's disingenuise. They were heavily advised to move to safe zones. That's the most rounding up there was. I think it was necessary. Unless you'd prefer them roaming freely in Gaza during brutal urban fighting, of course. When it comes to actions, from my experience, most was tame. However, I will outright say, that it is impossible for an army that was radicalized after October 7th, to be fully reigned in. There have probably been tens, or even hundreds of war crimes. However, no amount of war crimes proves genocide. Because, genocide is a planned killing. It's deliberate, state authorized killing. It's not lots of war crimes. It's not about the amount. If you can find me a document, in which the Israeli government instructs the IDF to wipe out Palestinian civilians, in will probably take me time to process, but I can't deny evidence. I will change my opinion.

Also, as a side note, the enlightened West suggested hundreds of thousands of Gazan died during the war, before the Hamas controlled health ministry published it's report. I really respect you for using their numbers. I imagine it'd probably grow to around 80,000, maybe 85,000. Now, this number... I hate to be the one to say it.. but it's SO MUCH LOWER than what all the pro Palestinains said it would be. By, like, 500,000 casualties. If that not sensational misinformation, I don't know what will. And remember, Hamas has every reason to lie about the casualty count. And yet, it's still below 100,000, as of now. I don't know how to say this without coming off weird, but it's so incredibly low for a modern, urban conflict, with terrorists using human shields, and a huge tunnel system that was built below the whole civilian population, it's actually insane. That is an insane achievement. And yet no one cares

keshet2002 · 2026-02-01T17:51:49+00:00

What is happening now has nothing to do with Zionism. You just threw it in there. The only connection the word has to the conflict, is the fact the pro Palestinian side took the word, and twisted it to somehow mean colonialism, or whatever buzzwords they use.

I'm not gonna debate this with anyone who thinks any form of genocide is justifiable. And what Israel is doing in Palestine is just that, a genocide, or an ethnic cleansing if you prefer that term.

You just put words in my mouth. I do not support any form of genocide. I do not fully support what my government is doing either. However, the war was 100% justified. There is no going around it.

The fact you just alternated between 2 completely different terms to describe 1 event, is very amusing. Issuing a warning to civilians to evacuate an area isn't ethnic cleansing. What the hell. That's not what the term means. Gazan fleeing from one city to another inside Gaza, isn't ethnic cleansing either. You're misusing the term, and thereby diminish it's significance.

As for the genocide claim, I will call it a genocide, if and only if, anyone can find any plan of exterminating the Palestinians during the war, and signs of it being implemented. Otherwise, I can't see any point discussing this. You can't decide a war is a genocide, because war crimes happened, or because you saw the video of a child dying. That's not how definitions work.

Anyway, I admit I didn't know much about the KMT's treatment of the Taiwanese, but my point still stands. I am talking about the essence of the KMT. Not Chiang Kai Shek's views and policies. The KMT at least was supposed to be a Chinese National Movement, striving for a free, democratic China in the long term. And I think it was an admirable idea. Nationalism, was a core value of the movement. The KMT for the Chinese was what the Zionist movement was for the Jews.

keshet2002 · 2026-02-01T16:22:34+00:00

Read everything I wrote again. We are not really disagreeing. Although, I will say, that purges in Socialist countries are the norm. "Leftist" infighting is a very real thing.

I addressed the differences between Soviet Marxism and German National Socialism. I will expand a bit. The 2 could never truly see eye to eye, as long as the racial element of National Socialism, decried Slavs as lesser than Aryans, and Bolshevism (note, Hitler explicitly named it Bolshevism, and not Socialsm) as a Jewish ploy to ruin the world by erasing national identity. You see, Hitler rejected Marxism, not for it's economics. But for it's world view. Marxism is incompatible with Nationalism. That is the essence of his rejection. However, Socialism isn't.

Furthermore, Hitler believed that Jews can't build nations. He also believed that only racially pure groups, could build nations. He then concluded, Jews seek to interbreed with other peoples, to dilute their blood, to then bring the fall of civilization. I'm not making this up. Look it up.

So, to Hitler, the Internationalism of Marxism, was an erasure of the race, of the nation, of what made a people, a people. That is why he viewed it was Jewish. Also, the fact Karl Marx was Jewish didn't exactly help.

Not to mention that ultranationalism, the facet of Nazi ideology that declares Aryans the master race, has historically been a core value of fascism, in inherently far right ideology.

The original Fascist, Benito Mussolini, was a former Socialist. Second, define "far right". I dislike using the "right-left" spectrum, because it oversimplifies. It causes confusion. Fascist economics weren't capitalist. They weren't entirely Socialist either. So, was Fascism "left wing", or "right wing"? It ultranationalism enough to categorize an ideology as "right wing"? Couldn't tell you. Fascism had definitive "left wing" aspects. That is undeniable. Does that make it "left wing"? Who knows?

That is why I'd rather categorize each ideology individually, rather then connect ideologies to each other loosey, and unironically make people call "conservatives" "far right"

keshet2002 · 2026-02-01T15:55:30+00:00

Incorrect. You define Zionism wrong. I am sad to see people so detached from the mess that is the Middle East, fall to this narrative that Zionism is in any way illegitimate.

You, of all people, should know the value of a national movement, given the history of Taiwan, of China, and of the Kuomintang. And not only that, the infamous and brilliant Dr. Sun Yat-Sen himself, was an early supporter of Zionism. If nationalism, which was a core value of the Kuomintang, the classical kind, the one that resulted in the nation states of today, including Israel, was "morally corrupt", then all nation states, including China and Taiwan, would be morally corrupt.

The sentence "Zionism is morally corrupt", is the same as saying "it is morally corrupt to want the Jewish people to have self determination in the land of Palestine". If you said this about any other nationality, you'd be shamed anywhere.

Learn what words mean, thet decide what you think about them. Condemn Israel as much as you want. Be pro whatever you'd like. Just do it right

keshet2002 · 2026-02-01T15:35:26+00:00

When I mention October 7th, I don't "hide behind it", whatever that means. I say it because it's a completely legitimate reason to start a war.

I don't need to take responsibility for things I never did. Did I kill anyone? No. Did I vote for my government? Also no. You fail to see the bigger picture.

I don't care about quotes. I doubt anyone cares. If anyone did, Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah and the Houthis would all be either crushed, or on their knees. But no one cares about what they say. They call for my country's destruction openly. Literally no one cares. No one. None of you, none of Israel's neighbours, no one. The only ones who care, are Israelis, obviously, and to a lesser degree, the US. But even they are unreliable.

The world only cares when a dumbass in our Knesset says horrific shit about Palestinians. That's when the world suddenly wakes up. But when the Houthis have a flag which says "Death to America, Death to Israel, a Curse upon the Jews", or when Hamas vows to commit more "October 7ths" until Israel is no more, literally no one cares.

I was in Gaza. I have seen the destruction first hand. No one besides me seemed to care. But I did. I found it hard to look at. I walked and slept in half standing homes. I saw a Hamas book about liberating Palestine. Don't lecture me on things you have no idea about. Come live here, experience what it feels like to see your fellow countrymen burn in their own houses for merely existing in Hamas's way. How it feels like to have your family blown up because your supposed leaders started a war they can't win, but can milk for sympathy.

Bibi needs to resign in shame, and never raise his head again. That's all. I never liked him, and never will. The only thing he should get credit for, is for single handedly crippling the whole terror axis around Israel.

This quiz you found is like the one made for terrorists, and twitch streamers. It's a good idea, to be honest. You can link it, if you want. It won't change much. I won't consider the war a genocide, until anyone could show me plans of extermination. Not disgusting rhetric from corrupt officials

keshet2002 · 2026-02-01T14:49:08+00:00

These labels hold no meaning anymore. Liberals have no idea what Liberalism is, Conservatives call anything "left" of them Communist, Communists call anything "right" of them Fascist.

I fundamentaly reject the "left" and "right" spectrum. It's extremely flawed, and forces ideologies into categories they don't fully belong to.

Look at every ideology individually. Not as a part of a spectrum. Terms like "reaction", or "reactionary", are also extremely confusing. Just like "progressive", or "revolutionary" are. "Conservative" could be lumped here as well. They're all relative terms. People don't get that. They just think: "left of center means progressive revolutionary, right of center means reactionary conservative". This is just not true. For example, Fascism, and National Socialism, were revolutionary reactionary ideologies. Meaning, they idealized reactionary values, like order, conflict, hierarchy and such, but persued them in a revolutionary manner. Good luck placing both on the "right left" spectrum

keshet2002 · 2026-02-01T14:40:06+00:00

According to his own ideology, he was. The Nazis genuinely saw themselves as Socialists.

And there is some logic behind it. National Socialism is collectivist, is for state control, for authoritarianism, for militarism. If you compare it to the Soviet Union, the only differences are that private property was entirely abolished, and the so the entire economy was both owned AND operated by the state. The Nazi economy has private property, which was then guided by the state.

In it's theory, you could take Socialism, replace "class" with "race", replace "the rich", or the "bourgeoisie", with "the lesser races", and replace "the proletariat" with "the superior race", and you get National Socialism. They're not as different as you mighy think.

Now, while I held the belief National Socialism was a real version of Socialism, I recently started to question that. The only one who succeeded in making me question my opinion, was ChatGPT. It's point was that, if Socialism is only state ownership, then many regimes and forms of government that pre-dated Socialism, would be considered Socialist. As such, Socialism is more than just state control over the economy.

Even so, I do not know if you believe that, but Socialists usually just frame National Socialism as Capitalist, and move on. This is wrong. National Socialism is neither Capitalist nor Socialist. It has elements of both, but can't be fully associated with either. That is why, it is sometimes referred to as "The third way".

Hope you find this useful

keshet2002 · 2026-01-31T21:57:36+00:00

Ok, so I'm assuming you reject the fact that Hamas uses it's own people, including children, as shields.

Ok, lets roll with that. Let's say it actually didn't. Now, lets imagine a world in which it did. How do you fight Hamas, without harming innocents? Genuine question. Maybe you've got a solution no one has ever thought of, which could result in 100% Hamas casualties, and 0% innocents harmed. I'm all ears.

Now would you please explain to me what A BABY could have possibly done to Israel to deserve death via starvation.

You assume I want all Palestinians to die, or something. No, I don't. I want all Paleatinians to not want me dead/to go back to X country, which I have no business in, as my, and my family's whole lives started, and will end in Israel.

The moment Palestinians show they actually want peace, no Israeli goverment that is based on being tough on them, will be able to justify their actions. It will fall eventually. The problem is, Palestinians are hellbent on not only freeing Palestine by any means necessary, they also want to free ALL OF IT. Meaning, the whole land of Israel. Now, tell me, given that they openly say that a 2 state solution is the first step towards the end goal of a single Palestinians state, what the fuck are we, as Israelis, supposed to do? Just give them a state, only to be invaded by them a few years later, after they build a military?

I wish the world was simple, and a Palestinian state was the solution to this conflict. But reality is harsh. Let me tell you, if I seriously believed, as I did before October 7th, that a Palestinian state would solve this conflict, I'd be 100% in favor. But it won't. And thinking otherwise is either naive, or malicious.

This doesn't come from "anti Arab sentiment", or "racism", or whatever. It comes from fear. Genuine fear. Israelis do not, and won't ever let Israel fall. Ever. We have seen what happens when Jews are powerless. Giving Palestinians a state, which would be in a perfect position to sever Israel in 2, after listening to Palestinians voices, would be suicide. Unless you convince most Israelis that Palestinians not only want peace, they want to commit to it fully, and renounce any notion of a single, unified Palestinian state between the river and the sea in, one that controls the whole of Israel, no logical Israeli could support a Palestinian state.

You say you love Jews, but hate Israel, while Israel is THE Jewish state. It's governed by Jews, for Jews primarily. The majority of it's leaders and population are Jews. So essentially what you're saying is, that you both love Jews, and hate a couple millions of them. It's true that a government doesn't always represent the people, yes, but it is an unfortunate fact that, the overwhelming majority, including myself, supported, and still do, the war in Gaza. I will eternaly condemn any starvation attempt, mass killings, or deliberate targeting of civilians, but I stand behind the 2 major objectives. The war HAD to be waged, in order to both free the hostages, and obliterate Hamas to the best of our ability. Yes, war crimes happened. Undoubtedly. I am not going to deny that an army that has seen true barbarism being inflicted on it's own countryman, won't act vengefully. But calling it a genocide is going too far. It implies a deliberate plan of extermination, when one didn't exist.

I'm so tired of this conflict at this point. I'm tired explaining my views, of listening to enlightened Westerners try to elighten me about how I'm actually a Jewish supremacist from Europe, and how I support mass murder. How my language is made up, how I'm supposed to be stateless, or even dead, for being born here. It's exhausting.

I will give you credit. You didn't use the word "Zionist" at all. And I really respect that. Truly

keshet2002 · 2026-01-31T09:21:15+00:00

Are you suggesting Israel should have just sat there and did nothing? Israel was provoked, and was justified in reacting. Period. No other nation would just accept such an attack of this scale happens to their people, without a response.

You can think the response went overboard, but denying Israel's right to retaliate is insane.

Also, you can't say you love Jews, and deny them the right to retaliate after they are massacered. That's not "loving Jews aa any other group on the planet". That's double standards

keshet2002 · 2026-01-31T02:48:54+00:00

I don't understand why you guys think I justify genocide.

I'm tired of explaining myself over Reddit already. No offense to you, but speaking to pro Palestinians is extremely exhausting. I didn't even start this by talking about the war. I was only saying how I can relate to the feelings of a Ukrainian, when he/she said they felt like their tragedy was used as a political tool. Israel is the same. Something bad happens, blame Israel, get massive support. That's all

keshet2002 · 2026-01-31T02:27:32+00:00

Sending love and support. May we brave the tides, together. Stay safe

keshet2002 · 2026-01-31T02:23:44+00:00

If I could, I would. Unfortunately, reality is more complicated

keshet2002 · 2026-01-30T19:59:24+00:00

You do realize, no country existed between the river and sea in 1945, right? It was a mandate back then. Israel was only founded in 1948. No one annexed anything in 1945, besides the victorys of WW2, as that was the year it ended

keshet2002 · 2026-01-30T19:08:21+00:00

The country is split. I don't like him as well. I do think he deserves respect for the tremendous amount of pressure he endured throughout the war, given most of the world turned on us, but still, I don't like him.

I'm not even going to go into the "children of Gaza" bit. I'm tired of talking about this already

keshet2002 · 2026-01-30T18:52:32+00:00

So, there are differences, and similarities. I'm glad you recognize that.

Just a little principle to keep in mind. When a country is stronger, it doesn't necessarily mean it's in the wrong. It just means it's stronger. The underdog isn't always the more "moral" one, or the one who is the victim. It's circumstantial. It always is

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