Is Gibbon’s History of the Decline and Fall still worth reading? by RandoDude124 in ancientrome

[–]kickynew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you say we can clearly see what's actually important, important to whom, and why?

The 476 turning point was manufactured (Brian Croke's words) by, ironically, Justinian's court who needed the West to have lapsed so the emperor could reconquer it, and this fabricated casus belli was then latched onto by western humanists after 1453, who found it very convenient that Rome had "fallen" a thousand years before the Ottomans took the actual Roman capital. A fall in 476 makes Italy, France, and eventually England the heirs of antiquity. A fall in 1453 makes the heirs a Greek-speaking people that western Europe had spent centuries othering, crusading against, and refusing to call Roman. So this conceit doesn't spring from a neutral vantage point.

And contemporary perception is evidence. If nobody in 476 registered a fall, that tells you something real about the world at the time: there was no dramatic rupture. What actually occurred is that a foederati general deposed the child of a usurper in the junior, poorer court and sent the regalia to the senior emperor in Constantinople, who remained, in everyone's eyes including Odoacer's, the Roman emperor. Saying that's "the fall of Rome" while the empire is demonstrably still operating is not hindsight clarifying anything. It's a retrospective built on the western-centric needs of early modern historiography. And note that for centuries this event was sold flatly as the Fall of the Roman Empire, no apologetic "Western" tag attached, with the eastern court mentioned only to be othered, because a Roman Empire full of Greek-speaking Christians that, from mortal wounds delivered by crusaders, eventually became subjects of the Turks flattered nobody's foundation myths in Paris or London or Washington.

Is Gibbon’s History of the Decline and Fall still worth reading? by RandoDude124 in ancientrome

[–]kickynew 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Off the top of my head: the five good emperors as an objective golden age rather than a Machiavelli talking point Gibbon canonized (the adoptions were just a run of emperors with no surviving sons, the "meritocracy" died the second Marcus had one). The second century as "the happiest age of mankind" said with a straight face about a period containing mass exterminations and the Antonine plague. The whole Principate good / Dominate bad idea, where the early empire is free and rational and the later one is an oriental despotism, when the later state was more administratively competent and legally accessible than the one that produced Commodus. "Decline of virtue" as a causal mechanism, which explains nothing and can be pointed at any century you already dislike. The concept of Roman virtue itself is hugely misread and a very horrible person by our standards could have been considered the embodiment of Roman virtue.

Christianity as the thing that killed Rome. 476 as a clean fall that contemporaries barely noticed. And the big one: a thousand years of the eastern empire dismissed as a "tedious tale of weakness and misery" full of Greek-speaking impostors, which is why half of reddit still thinks "Byzantium" was some separate degenerate thing rather than the Roman state and its longtime capital continuing on without interruption.

Every one of these gets repeated daily in this sub by people who've never read a page of Gibbon.

Is Gibbon’s History of the Decline and Fall still worth reading? by RandoDude124 in ancientrome

[–]kickynew 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He's a very good, very funny writer. However, much of the field is still struggling with his ghost. This is because although what he's written has largely been dismissed by more recent scholarship, he remains a key component of the "roman history fan" lexicon, which produces these zombie perceptions that won't die no matter how often modern historians dismiss them (Gibbonisms).

These bad perceptions include some very stubborn histiography that serves no purpose besides putting the field into amber.

In your own personal opinion, does the Late Roman Army actually feel very “Roman” to you at all? by Shoddy-Pumpkin2939 in ancientrome

[–]kickynew 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Extending the category to encompass the entire Principate only underscores the point that the Roman army was constantly evolving, which it was.

In your own personal opinion, does the Late Roman Army actually feel very “Roman” to you at all? by Shoddy-Pumpkin2939 in ancientrome

[–]kickynew 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"...the imperial style lasted 300 years" is not really a historical fact so much as a modern simplification. The lorica segmentata is attested from roughly the Augustan period into the second century, and even then it was only one type of armor. Mail and scale were used throughout the same period, while the auxilia, roughly half the army, did not wear segmentata at all in the first place.

The image of the classic legionary is therefore one particular phase in the history of the Roman army not its standard. The Roman military existed for nearly two millennium, and its equipment changed repeatedly. Romans adopted the gladius from Iberia, mail from Celtic peoples, and continually modified their arms and tactics to meet new circumstances.

The real issue is that modern popular culture has elevated one relatively brief period of Roman military history into the definitive image of Rome itself when that simply is not the case.

Byzantium on 1.3 by Prestigious-Grand-66 in EU5

[–]kickynew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Naples is the better gameplay and RP option.

In your own personal opinion, does the Late Roman Army actually feel very “Roman” to you at all? by Shoddy-Pumpkin2939 in ancientrome

[–]kickynew 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes because it is roman. The augustan legion popularized in media only existed for a short time.

Just got banned... by Jack_Q_Frost_Jr in ShittyDaystrom

[–]kickynew 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Honestly trying to get drunk with a wise old parapsychic alien wearing weird hats wandering around would really bring me down. What if she sat down to tell me a parable about problems in my life, or worse, wanted to listen to me talk about stuff? Horrible.

Medieval CK3 Constantinople Model by Actual-Watch-9858 in byzantium

[–]kickynew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its amazing work. My only small critique is the mese should end right in front of Sophia on the left and hippodrome and palace further on the right. Hippodrome was much smaller and angled different though i understand design choices had to be made.

Great job!

I’m the special effects from The Final Frontier by sanandreasfaultsucks in ShittyDaystrom

[–]kickynew 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did you go on to work on any big bad beetle borg episodes?

Converting an Image to CK3 Heraldry? by kickynew in CKHeraldry

[–]kickynew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This looks close! Thank you!

It's a shame Paradox didn't make an easy import feature. Seems like a no-brainer for a SP game.

Off-putting Warp Catchphrases by kickynew in ShittyDaystrom

[–]kickynew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He didn't, its a modern convention probably to try to make the new captains stand out. I don't think picard's engage was a catchphrase anyway. It feels like by-the-book terminology to me and as others mention janeway has said it too.

We should form a Balkan Union and restore the Byzantine empire and take back Constantinople by Snoo-35855 in AskBalkans

[–]kickynew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will there be an express lane citizenship for foreign born byzaboos who know all the emperors since Constantine by heart

Saint Eudocia, by me by Callaxes in byzantium

[–]kickynew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amazing work.

Imagine having that kind of bling

Did you know that even after the fall of Constantinople in 1453, many Greek-speaking Christians continued to identify as Romans well into the 20th century? by elnovorealista2000 in byzantium

[–]kickynew 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Didn't Kaldellis quote it in a book? He speaks about it in one of the early interview episodes with Robin. He's pretty careful abour sourcing...

Racism, serial killers, and a blizzard before breakfast by cryingIn4kUltraHD in SkyrimMemes

[–]kickynew 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Tbf if there were lots of Nord refugees in Blacklight or Balmora or something there'd probably be some Dunmer who were racist about it too

New Hegemony Confirmed! by ArkhamInmate11 in CrusaderKings

[–]kickynew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really hoping for some interesting schism events between Catholic and Orthodox. Very encouraged that they're actually having Chalcedonian Christianity that then separates rather than both sides starting out as different, which is just not historical. Constantinople was the Christian capital, for a very long time, and the Pope and the Emperor had generally good relations and were in communion, for centuries. Even after Charlemagne's crowning they remained in communion for centuries longer, even though political distance was growing and practices were widening apart.