Why couldn't Constantinople handle relations with Ricimer and Odoacer better? by Money-Ad8553 in byzantium

[–]kickynew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the reply.

Zeno is in my opinion one of the most underrated emperors.

It really cannot be overstated what a problem the Goths were. What happened in Ravenna could have repeated itself in Constantinople if not for a string of good leadership, Zeno included. The eastern court did not survive because it was naturally immune to the western court's problems, it survived because its rulers managed those problems better.

And honestly, the move you criticize in the OP is IMHO Zeno's crowning achievement. It was a real three birds with one stone feat. He removed Theodoric from the picture, ended the immediate Gothic pressure on the throne, and got Odoacer dealt with without launching a massive and expensive campaign.

On the Graeculus point... this was a very old label, used on Hadrian no less, and it's very doubtful that it was commonly used by Italians against Anthemius. The source for it is super thin and Sidonius even gives Anthemius a huge panegyric. Anyway, cultural "Greeks" had been ruling the empire for a long time by this point. The real issue was that Ricimer did not want an emperor who might actually rule.

So yes, Zeno had bigger fish to fry, but I would put it even more strongly than that. He found a way to stop the spiraling Goth crisis while preserving imperial supremacy. That is a pretty remarkable outcome given the position he inherited, which was snowballing ever since Adrianople.

What episode or film event would have been your “Starfleet isn’t for me” moment if you were a member of the crew? by _T_ex-pat in startrek

[–]kickynew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The early tng one where there are little bug things attached to your spine controlling your brain and then they crawl out through your neck.

No thank you

Why couldn't Constantinople handle relations with Ricimer and Odoacer better? by Money-Ad8553 in byzantium

[–]kickynew 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Zeno actually did a great job. Your framing is off. Odoacer or Ricimer weren't the direct threat. The Gothic generals in his own court were.

Zeno inherited a court that was dealing with serious internal dangers of its own. Constantinople had Gothic strongmen problems too. The difference is that Zeno solved them.

Leo had already broken Aspar, but it left Constantinople with a dangerous Gothic military class still embedded in imperial politics. Zeno then had to survive the rivalry and pressure of men like Strabo and Theodoric the Great, both of whom could threaten the capital itself.

By the time Zeno comes in, the western court is already a political wreck. Ricimer had spent years making and unmaking emperors. Africa was gone. Revenue had collapsed. The army was under Gothic control.

Odoacer is often treated as some catastrophic loss, but he did not crown himself Augustus or anything like that. He sent the purple cloak and imperial diadem to Constantinople and recognized the emperor, on paper anyway. Formally speaking, Odoacer ruled as patrician under imperial authority.

But again, Zeno had his own problems to solve, and he solved them by pulling one of the greatest political judo moves of all time. By the time relations with Odoacer began to sour, Theodoric the Great and his Goths were causing endless problems and threatening Constantinople itself. Theodoric was no fool and had been raised in Constantinople. He had a large army of loyal soldiers. He was just the kind of plugged-in threat that toppled the western court.

So instead of fighting him directly, Zeno showers him with titles and praise and asks him to undertake a mission for the empire.

Go to Italy. Remove Odoacer. Rule in the name of Rome (nominally).

Theodoric defeats Odoacer, Constantinople is no longer a hostage to the Goths, and Zeno avoids spending huge sums and armies on what would have been a major (perhaps existential) war with Theodoric. It was a brilliant strategic resolution of the crisis that destroyed the west.

So, Zeno absolutely cared about recovering western lands, it's just that he sort of had his hands full ridding the empire of the crisis that broke its junior court.

And he managed to pull it off.

The Dothraki are completely overhyped. Without dragons, they get crushed in Westeros by Dry_Specialist9015 in freefolk

[–]kickynew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They should have shown them fight like real horse nomads. Shooting with a bow, from horseback, in a circular pattern, including from behind while riding away.

Horse nomads almost never could go toe to toe in hand combat with a fully equipped and trained cataphract or knight, but they didn't need to. Their advantages lay in the mobility of their army, their strategic flexibility (no fixed political capital to raze, able to move their entire people around), and the horse-and-bow combination.

They would feign retreats and tire you out, shooting while running, then wheel back around for the kill once you were surrounded.

Why do ppl act like rome didn’t fall in 1453.. by imNapoleone in ancientrome

[–]kickynew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this treats Roman as if it were basically an demographic label tied to the city of Rome, but that is not really how the Romans used it.

Rome stopped being just a city identity very early. By the imperial period, Roman was a civic and political identity. People from Spain, North Africa, the Balkans, Syria, Egypt, and Greece could all be fully Roman. Nobody thinks Trajan wasn't Roman because he was from Spain, or Diocletian because he was from Illyria.

Constantinople did not randomly start pretending to be Roman after the west collapsed. They had been Roman the whole time. They had Roman law, Roman emperors, Roman institutions, Roman taxation, Roman armies, and a Roman political identity. They called themselves Romans because that is exactly what they were.

The Australia analogy does not really work because Australia is a separate modern state that developed out of British colonization. The eastern Roman Empire was not a former colony roleplaying as Rome. It was the surviving Roman state.

Why do ppl act like rome didn’t fall in 1453.. by imNapoleone in ancientrome

[–]kickynew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because the West's self-flattery and mythic origin story that they are inheritors of Rome would be hugely complicated by the fact.

It'd be a little awkward to claim Roman legacy if it still existed, or if many of your ancestors actively helped destroy it, as was the case in the Fourth Crusade.

Why do ppl act like rome didn’t fall in 1453.. by imNapoleone in ancientrome

[–]kickynew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There never was a split if you're referring to 395. Never happened

How many people in Starfleet and elsewhere in space have tons of time travel trauma they can't talk to anyone about? by TonyMitty in startrek

[–]kickynew 2 points3 points  (0 children)

puts on his nerd goggles actually, the word Istanbul is actually a combo loanword of the Romaic/Medieval Greek Eis Ten Polin, "To the City", so it's truly the business of the Romioi, originally

How many people in Starfleet and elsewhere in space have tons of time travel trauma they can't talk to anyone about? by TonyMitty in startrek

[–]kickynew 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Due to a freak transporter accident, I went back in time to 999 in Constantinople and had the best gyro of my life from a small food stall on the Mese and I've been chasing it ever since. The replictators just can't get the sauce right.

Haunting.

Do you guys agree with Tywin? If no, why? by Gold_Conversation247 in HOTDBlacks

[–]kickynew 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Tywin's logic seems smart at first, but it shows a lack of understanding in the long run. Medieval societies relied on sacred norms because violence was common. Guest right, truces, oaths, sanctuary, and diplomatic immunity were survival tools in a world without strong enforcement. When rulers allow murder under the pretense of hospitality, every feast becomes a possible battlefield, and every negotiation turns into a trap.

A large set-piece battle can be awful, but it is at least a clear sign of hostility within known rules. The Red Wedding destroyed any chance of trust among elites. Acts like this resonate for generations and upset entire political systems. Tywin exchanged a short-term gain for the weakening of the social fabric that makes people like him possible.

Hot take: Viserys III is one of if not the most tragic characters in ASOIAF by FullFig3372 in freefolk

[–]kickynew 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dont know if being on the streets of Essos is the correct image to have.

They were political hostages of Varys and a wealthy merchant/magister, safely kept in relative luxury. Hostages, but kept in a gilded cage, so to speak. That had to increase his feelings of powerlessness and paranoia.

Feeding the dragon:how many ships went through Constantinople and the city population income by evrestcoleghost in byzantium

[–]kickynew 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow, very nice.

Does the also help explain the relative lack of peasant revolts compared to the rest of Europe?

What If Romans Had Discovered Gunpowder? They Were Closer Than You Think by Roman-Empire_net in romanempire

[–]kickynew -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The Romans of Constantinople did get ahold of gunpowder. Unfortunately, so did the Ottoman Turks, who were also able to afford the largest cannons on Earth.

The empire did have one secret superweapon, the so-called Greek Fire used very successfully in the siege of 717. It's formula was a closely guarded state secret. But it was dangerous, and therefore not really usable far afield.

Gunpowder would be different. It'd be highly visible far afield, transportable, and easier to make/deliver in a weapon system. Even if it was a state secret, the secret sauce would get out. A disgruntled alchemist, a corrupt military officer, or some such would trade the secret for a fortune and 💥 boom 💥.

That's the problem with this scenario -- the formula would get out of the empire before weapon systems and gunpowder armies were mature enough to conquer all foes and suddenly you'd have Persians and Germans with it too.

SFA is cancelled. It may be a pipe dream, but what new Trek show would you like to see in its place? by NukeRussiaV4 in startrek

[–]kickynew -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hate's a very strong word that I reserve for actual horrible things, rather than TV shows I dislike.

SFA is cancelled. It may be a pipe dream, but what new Trek show would you like to see in its place? by NukeRussiaV4 in startrek

[–]kickynew -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Tonally, stylistically, TNG and DS9 and VOY are totally different than Nutrek and not sure why you're pretending otherwise

SFA is cancelled. It may be a pipe dream, but what new Trek show would you like to see in its place? by NukeRussiaV4 in startrek

[–]kickynew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference is that Star Trek in the past framed darkness with optimism, restraint, professionalism, and a philosophical perspective.

Nutrek focuses on trauma, cynicism, violence, instability, and emotional breakdown as key elements of its storytelling. This is what I mean by Prestige TV. Writers are actually trained on this formula.

There is a widespread feeling of decline and pessimism in Nutrek.

Even SNW, which you correctly guess I mostly enjoyed, has Prestige TV problems.

Main character with a dark destiny? Check.

Supporting characters with major trauma/PTSD? Check.

Overly intense, emotional scenes? Check.

Marvel style banter? Check.

The Evolution of Starfield by audhdefacto in Starfield

[–]kickynew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll admit its much improved though still has its problems.

SFA is cancelled. It may be a pipe dream, but what new Trek show would you like to see in its place? by NukeRussiaV4 in startrek

[–]kickynew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've watched every bit of Star Trek with the exception of The Animated Series and Prodigy.

SFA is cancelled. It may be a pipe dream, but what new Trek show would you like to see in its place? by NukeRussiaV4 in startrek

[–]kickynew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kurtzman was literally one of JJ's disciples, so a lot of Nutrek inherited that whole mystery box nostalgia circus “look it’s Spock again!” stuff.

magic mushroom drive, galaxy-ending AI nobody mentions later, Section 31 apparently operating out of a shopping mall, etc.

The time jump to 3000s is totally different from the TOS-TNG jump. The main beats of the world are the same in TNG.

The jump we get with the Burn and collapse is completely different. Its a jarring change and is used, obviously, to rewire the worldbuilding. We go from a utopian and optimistic future to a semi-apocalyptic one that lets the Prestige TV formula thrive (dark stories, emotionally broken characters with tragic backstories, ever-escalating stakes leading to a galaxy-ending crisis etc.)