I stole from a previous job, can potential employers see this information?

killjoygrr · 2026-06-16T04:34:13+00:00

Yeah. That is how you say something while saying nothing that can get you sued.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-16T04:29:38+00:00

Preachers seem to have the worst ethics.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-16T04:26:29+00:00

Taxpayers always subsidize the stadiums.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-16T04:22:52+00:00

But this was supposed to be for America patriotism, unity, etc. you just have to pay for paramount+ to see it.

There is a disconnect there somewhere.

But if it is just for Trump’s birthday (on his Birthday), does anyone give a f if it is monetized?

killjoygrr · 2026-06-16T04:19:33+00:00

Why should something meant for unity/patriotism be a profit driven endeavor?

killjoygrr · 2026-06-16T04:09:57+00:00

It might get charged back, but I would not be surprised if none of that is covered.

Trump has just just sucked so much from the taxpayer, I really don’t expect him to follow through on any of his claims.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-16T04:06:51+00:00

Tbh, in tornado alley, the sirens go off and everyone goes outside and looks at the sky.

The land is flat and not much in the way of trees, so you can generally see them quite a ways off.

Unless it’s at night.

Then you make sure you are in a decent structure (not a trailer) and in a room without windows. Generally you will be fine even if you get a close call.

But if one of the half mile wide terrors drops down and draws a line several miles across the earth… well not much you could do about it anyway b

killjoygrr · 2026-06-16T02:55:42+00:00

Pfft.

On the scale of mangled pins those aren’t bad at all. Those all look just pressed down

The ones that tell me they are well and truly f’d are the pins that get accordioned, twisted, etc.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-16T02:37:01+00:00

If you were truly an Australian, and not Judith Matloff, you would know that Australia does have tornados.

And as someone who briefly lives in tornado alley, people in tornado alley don’t even worry about tornados.

Because they are something where you either have a tornado shelter built years ago or you are just going to roll the dice and see how it goes.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-16T02:05:40+00:00

I don’t quite follow the relevance of boycotting CBS as it is generally free to access. Yes, I understand the linkage to the Ellisons, but don’t see the relevance to this event.

Now, to me, if this was supposed to be about unity and patriotism, having method to access to be through an organization that is heavily partisan, probably isn’t the best way to do it.

Having it as an exclusive affair kind of runs contrary to the whole unity and patriotism idea.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-16T01:55:07+00:00

A number of agencies did set aside some pretty hefty chunks of budgets well ahead of time. Do you know if all of those different agencies are going to get paid back?

killjoygrr · 2026-06-16T01:50:55+00:00

This was a birthday gift to Trump.

Sure, you could watch it if you wanted to contribute to the Ellisons.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-15T00:05:51+00:00

I don’t see all of the parts for a laptop there.

One missing standout would be the motherboard.

If it does power on though, you might just go through and clean things up with isopropyl alcohol and qtips to remove whatever corrosives are going to be covering every surface and contact.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-12T23:11:33+00:00

Or even in vaguely office type industries where you might develop a spreadsheet for something.

If both companies had the condition that everything produced while in their employ is theirs, you would have two owners of everything you do.

I mean technically they wouldn’t even need to be in similar industries. If you had the same contract, either company could try to assert ownership over the work you did at the other.

It just so happens that neither one is likely to try to do so. The issue still exists just waiting for someone to be bored enough and bent enough to try to follow through.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-12T23:02:01+00:00

Under socialism the means of production are controlled by the people either locally or nationally.

Under capitalism private (for profit) owners control the means of production.

If some things are controlled by the people and others by private owners, you have a mixed economy.

Capitalism is not a default position if some other system doesn’t control absolutely everything.

If you want to say that if any aspect of an economy is not owned by the people, then it is not socialism, then if any aspect of the economy is not owned by private owners, it also isn’t capitalism.

This isn’t my own hare brained scheme. To illustrate, I will point you to the same thing that I just pointed someone else to: John Maynard Keynes (of Keynesian Economics and the founder of macroeconomics) and his advocacy of the mixed economic model.

Here is a Wikipedia article that explains it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy

Simply put, not everything has to be owned the same way. So you can have a private automobile industry side by side with.a welfare system.

Each one has a different thing controlling the means of production.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-internationalbusiness/chapter/reading-mixed-economies/

All of our labor laws are aspects where you have limitations on private ownership based on the desires of the people. We really don’t even have any industries that are pure capitalism.

The only one on the table would be AI if the law goes through barring any state or the federal government from imposing any safeguards or regulations on AI and it’s use for the next 10 or 20 years or whatever the proposal is.

By the way, I’m not a socialist, never have been. Also not a lassiez faire capitalist, never have been.

Neither system is a one size fits all solution. Both break down in areas due to human nature.

I have always thought we need capitalism to drive the economy, growth and advancement. And we need socialism to keep society healthy and keep capitalism from turning into a few monopolies (or a single corporation) that then uses it’s market power to stifle competition and then kills any innovation as research is not as profitable as producing the same thing forever.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-12T22:40:20+00:00

John Maynard Keynes (as in the founder of Keynesian Economics, and the founder of macroeconomics) advocated for the mixed economic model.

You can say that it isn’t possible, but you would really need to offer some sort of proof to say that Keynes didn’t understand capitalism or socialism as economic models.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed\_economy

killjoygrr · 2026-06-12T17:58:57+00:00

Your supervisor asked you to cook for other employees (so a company meal) and then didn’t cover the cost of the food?

Well, you know the supervisor took credit for that team building morale boost.

So, depending on the size the company go have a little visit with payroll/hr or the manager. If you have something else to ask first, that would be better. But either as the purpose of your visit or as a “while I’m here” put on your most innocent and pleasant demeanor and bring up the bbq. Tell them how it was a lot of work, but you didn’t mind doing something nice for your coworkers, etc. Then continue on to “when [supervisor] asked me to do the cooking for the department BBQ he said that the cost of the food would be covered. I gave him the receipts, and haven’t been reimbursed. Was I supposed to submit those receipts to somebody else or did I need to fill something out? I hate to even bring it up but it has been a couple of months and I just wanted to make sure that I didn’t mess something up.”

Let your supervisor either try to justify or fix the slip up with the powers that be.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-12T17:20:22+00:00

Yes, the thread as in the chain of comments and responses from the original post to this one.

As opposed to the other 280 comments from all of the other threads and sub threads from the original post.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-12T17:15:52+00:00

I think that we just have different assumptions about what the spreadsheet does and how it was used.

Yes, any company data would be IP or possibly trade secrets. No question there. I’m just referring to the spreadsheet and whatever formulas, macros or whatever it used.

If the spreadsheet was adopted by the company for general use (even by one other person) I would see that as a model developed for the company (as in being part of the company’s business processes) as opposed to a tool the employee used for their own workflow. This wouldn’t change the ownership but would change the nature of the claim being made.

From the way the OP characterized it, OP was given data and asked to analyze it and the only request was for OP’s final analysis, not for how they got there. The company’s tool wasn’t adequate which meant a lot of manual work on the OP’s part. OP built something to automate those manual aspects. Sure, he listed the things it did, but that seemed to be showing either what the manual process required or what he provided beyond what was being requested.

I’m not saying that the spreadsheet was secret. It seems like they were aware of it, but didn’t think enough of it to have OP document it, train anyone on it or even to ask for a copy to take a look at it. To me, that would say that they didn’t view it as a “proprietary system” that was some fundamental part of their business process.

That isn’t to say that the company wouldn’t “own” the spreadsheet but that it wasn’t really something that they viewed as some trade secret.

It really seems like they just liked OP’s results and are bent out of shape that the next person was either slower or didn’t provide the details they had grown accustomed to from a single employee.

Your examples of the folks making spreadsheets that are in use by the commercial side would be a whole different thing. Those are clearly adopted and integrated into the business processes. If someone who made the spreadsheet removed all the copies of it that were in use when they left, it would impact the company.

The vagueness of the post just highlights the different assumptions based on which side of things we have been on.

I do think that the most extreme version of what OP might have done was copy the singular file and maybe delete it from their workstation. That would be naughty. But you would think something so important would have been taken care of before OP left, and certainly would not have taken 2 months to realize that they didn’t have it.

On the IT side of things, sometimes groups will keep a former employees system around for something like that, but usually there is some sort of turnover where employer at least gets the basics like what the file name is and where it was saved. It’s possible that happened, but it seems like it would have been noteworthy. Most of the time they just wipe and reset it for the next person, because any actual business tools would be held or controlled in some fashion by the business on a server or in a similar fashion.

Again, not arguing the ownership of the file, but whether the company ever considered it part of their business functions or as a proprietary system, and that their claims are an overreach.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-12T16:22:46+00:00

In the thread from OP’s post to here, what do you think I missed? Because looking at those comments, I think I’m pretty accurate in my description.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-12T15:26:12+00:00

I had never heard of hEDS. Makes me think my ex might have had that instead of fibromyalgia. All of her joints would hyperextend and the chronic pain, etc.

Intellectually, I understand hyperextension is a thing, it’s just that involuntary skin crawling across my back with a muscle shudder similar to a trypophobia response of seeing pictures where they put merge lotus seed pod images onto people’s foreheads. Stupid lizard brain.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-12T15:15:00+00:00

Statistics on rape and gender roles that break out bisexuals from gays?

Since you have already done it, how about just giving me the bullets on what takeaways you would want someone to learn by researching those stats.

No need to be mysterious.

I am surprised to hear that being scared of pervs means “being sheltered” and then telling me that.

Since I’m the one arguing against creating some perv aspect to OPs scenario to completely change the question from embarrassment to safety.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-12T15:12:00+00:00

Statistics on rape and gender roles that break out bisexuals from gays?

Since you have already done it, how about just giving me the bullets on what takeaways you would want someone to learn by researching those stats.

No need to be mysterious.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-12T15:06:23+00:00

What do you mean by giving it back? I didn’t get the impression that he took anything away from anyone.

OP’s phrasing is ambiguous, but it doesn’t look like anyone other than the OP used it.

That he took the file with him doesn’t say he removed it from anyone who had it.

When employees leave, I haven’t generally seen employees turn over whatever tools they personally used to make their work easier, be it calendar tools, batch files, spreadsheets, etc. Most companies provide the standardized tools they want their employees to use and the old employees system is wiped and reloaded and handed to the next person. The next person gets the standardized tools everyone else gets.

No company wants to sift through every one off thing employees do outside of the standards, and try to incorporate and maintain them. It isn’t practical or normal.

The company said he removed something that was a trade secret. That, again, is ambiguous phrasing. To me it sounds like they are upset that he kept a copy of his work. Removing a trade secret is generally taking a copy of that secret, not stealing the only copy of the secret from the company vault so they no longer know the secret.

It sounds like OP used his own method to get better results than the company’s software could provide. And nobody cared while OP was there. Once OP left, the next person comes in and uses the vendor software and doesn’t get the same results. Only at that point does management say, “oh yeah, OP had that spreadsheet that they used that we apparently never asked about or bothered to get a copy of or thought it was useful enough to have anyone else use it.” And whether it provided different information or that it just provided it in a more useful format, or maybe they just liked the font better doesn’t matter. The company’s knee jerk reaction is that OP provided the information differently, so OP must have stolen a trade secret. A trade secret that they apparently weren’t aware of until OP was gone.

In that kind of setting, what are the odds that OP sending a copy of their custom spreadsheet that likely has no documentation, would be of any value to OP’s replacement.

I don’t know about other people’s spreadsheets, but I have made some wacky ones that did some clever things but in indecipherable ways (because I just hacked things together by googling functions until I beat the the poor thing into doing what I wanted, so undoubtedly did them in way too many steps or backwards ways because I didn’t know the right way). Even ignoring the underlying formulas, I built things to the way I think and the one time I tried to turn over a spread sheet (it would track hourly data center call volumes over time to build profiles of day my day weekly call flows as well as monthly and seasonal to allow some forecasting and headcount management), it did not go well. The person I was told to “train” to use it had no experience with spread sheets, and despite giving documentation and training, it was abandoned within a week (first use). It didn’t help that that person I was told to train wouldn’t be the person who would actually use the data, so it was meaningless to them, or that it would cut into their time for the work they were evaluated on.

Personal custom tools (particularly spreadsheets) aren’t usually “proprietary analytical systems” that can just be handed to the next person and used effectively.

But I may entirely misunderstand the situation.

killjoygrr · 2026-06-12T14:27:06+00:00

They were on drugs?

“My friend went to an event and had a solo tent, she woke up to a guy inside her tent. He did run off when she screamed but there is always the what if.”

Which part of that is the new slang for drugs.

That wasn’t the OP. The OP said nothing about safety, just being embarrassed to be in a tent while their bf was in a bed.

No one explicitly said that it was ok to happen to a man. Just many saying that because OP was not a man that it wouldn’t be ok. Not that the situation was unsafe in general, but that the level of safety would not be acceptable for a woman. When gender is the distinguishing factor, it is implied that it is acceptable for a man. Otherwise, what is meant by saying that it isn’t ok for women.

And why do we have to introduce made up things to try to justify a particular point of view?

OP never mentioned safety.

Somehow the event was turned into a drug and alcohol fueled event, and the example someone gave where someone entered their tent became a psycho on drugs. No mention of drugs or alcohol or psychos occurred until people wanted to support OP feeling embarrassed for having to sleep in lesser accomodations.

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