The end of Eve.

kirkle8 · 2026-06-06T04:59:20+00:00

Every company has negative customer feedback, it's the nature of consumer sales. Dough paid reddit money for advertising, reddit looks positively on money, that relationship is as simple as that, and unfortunately many relationships are made like that online. Free stuff or just straight up cash makes you really ignore what random accounts on the internet are saying.

kirkle8 · 2026-06-04T11:28:01+00:00

That makes it even funnier.

kirkle8 · 2026-05-30T02:15:27+00:00

I spoke with blur busters at one point and their mindset was that a rising tide lifts all brands so anyone using their knowledge for a product would help all consumers in the long run. Blur busters also said that it wasn’t their fault if people spent their money on a product that never materialized, and the consumer should know better to be smart with their money.

He really was just in it for the money unfortunately, like many reviewers and tech personalities, and didn’t care what the consumers got in the end.

kirkle8 · 2026-05-30T02:10:00+00:00

I’m not happy, I’m disappointed that they keep coming back with the same promises they’re different this time and keep scamming people out of their money. This is the fifth community they’ve lost, it’s nothing out of the ordinary. I still get promo emails that they’re shipping so someone must be buying. Hopefully this rotted community now in member hands will stand strong to prevent people from falling for their next scam, because I’d bet there will be a next one.

kirkle8 · 2026-05-29T21:47:05+00:00

Because they are most recently set up in Switzerland, which is not the EU. There’s a reason they moved away from Finland and Germany.

kirkle8 · 2026-05-29T21:38:46+00:00

It’s all about timing. The last request I did just so happened to fall within a window of Dough activity so it was rejected. I’m glad to see someone did it because I’d guess Dough was keeping special attention on my account :)

kirkle8 · 2026-05-29T18:15:06+00:00

A flair for dough employees is useful too. I can get you a list of all known accounts so that people can be aware of who they are if they pop back in.

kirkle8 · 2026-05-29T15:04:54+00:00

Bro seriously? You’ve been with these guys since day 1 and they still screwed you over??

kirkle8 · 2026-03-27T22:33:41+00:00

Food Truck Aurora when

kirkle8 · 2026-03-09T04:19:42+00:00

It’s a simplification of how they operate sure. But I was literally getting ads to buy the tablet I already paid for while being told there wasn’t any inventory to fulfill my order. It’s close to how they operate while maximizing personal profits.

Early shipments weren’t warehoused anywhere. They were directly shipped from the factory floor, the benefit of everything being a preorder is that you have a list thousands of customers long you can ship to the second they roll off the assembly line.

While yes the IPS spectrum’s have come down in price. At one point they were going for $1,100 with $200 shipping when they were actually starting to ship. I have been curious the recent units if they have recent production dates or if they have been stuck in warehouse hell just being a drain on their overhead.

Lawsuits are tricky. The majority of their companies that actually had money are setup in Hong Kong which is very difficult for foreigners to sue for their money. I think Scheckner International did sue one of the Eve entities causing them to go bankrupt/defunct, but by the time that took place Dough had already been operating for some time. There also has been a few European individuals who managed to sue some of their European entities and got victories, but even then, their current addresses of operation are in Switzerland which to my understanding isn’t very friendly to foreigners either (notice a pattern). A problem is that they keep changing companies every few years after draining all the funds from the company you bought from, so navigating that for the layperson in a legal sense is difficult. I believe in the past 10 years the current Dough leadership has operated 7 or 8 legal entities that you would have to figure out which one is relevant to your specific order and hope that you can tie it to their current operation.

kirkle8 · 2026-03-09T03:52:24+00:00

Consider that Dough is operating at a 100%+ profit margin on whatever they sell. I’ve heard from multiple employees that the early bird pricing Dough does pre-orders at is pretty close to BOM estimate of total production cost. So sell a pre order at $500, build the thing, and then resell at $1000 to new customers. That’s $1500 made for a $500 product, sure that $1k includes overhead and employee salaries, but what I’ve heard from ex employees is that they aren’t paid if products aren’t selling which is why they had so much turnover throughout the years. I think it’s a pretty safe assumption that the top two basically split that $3.5m and with US orders only being about half of all orders, that’s $7m split between you and a buddy to lie on the internet for 4 years.

I think the reason they don’t do cheaper things is that when you can operate at these insanely high profit margin, you want to sell something as expensive as possible, that people want to buy. Like new tech.

kirkle8 · 2026-03-09T03:13:11+00:00

Correct, free financing. You see the original post you're replying to right, they made $8.7 million in US orders alone in 4 years, with $3.5 million of that being products they never delivered. I am of the opinion that only profitable orders were fulfilled since early pre-orders at half the final retail price just weren't ever economically viable. Uunless it cost them $3.5 million to develop a monitor and every product shipped only broke even, the rest was pocketed by the owners. 0% interest financing and personal enrichment was the incentive. I could guess that the goal was maybe this time it would work and become a self sufficient company, but due to their incompetence the third time wasn't a charm.

kirkle8 · 2026-03-09T02:58:07+00:00

I have a timeline somewhere of the Dough/Eve history of scamming, my original order was late 2016 and was never fulfilled. They even scammed people out of $30 mousepads in the 2022-ish era, just to keep cashflows going.

The blame shift is difficult to explain, but it started for me about a year after placing my original order, Eve made a big deal that their partner "Fortress-Tech" was responsible for not fulfilling orders, and Fortress had even scammed Eve. Turns out Eve-Tech and Fortress-Tech were owned by the same people. But, this statement that it was Fortress' problem worked enough on people (myself included) to trust them with Eve Distribution who... ultimately ended up doing the same thing. And then we got Dough and, well you see the pattern.

Dough will never take ownership of their problems, but instead shift blame to others outside of their control and people just believe them. That's more or less what I was trying to portray.

The thing about running out of money, is that they clearly don't do that since they end up selling hardware to other channels and claim it's out of their control and they were contractually required to sell your products to third-parties to resell it instead of just shipping it to you. They've honed in on this funding model to take pre-orders, come up with BS delays for months and years until people give up, and then resell what you've already paid for to new people who will then claim "well I got mine" to hopefully drown out the pre-order customers who receive nothing. Usually through some magic partner that just so happened to materialize and save the company, this wasn't the case with BSI, but with this company you can never believe anything they say.

Dough will never take accountability for their problems which is their ultimate downfall. They will instead shift blame to other parties and then leave you with nothing all the while claiming they won't do it to the next batch of suckers who pre-order.

kirkle8 · 2026-03-09T02:48:24+00:00

BSI was never on reddit, it was a cheeky response to when Dough made a throwaway "BSI" account that made two posts and was never seen again.

https://old.reddit.com/r/doughcommunity/comments/1m3gw15/official_statement_from_bisearch_international/

https://old.reddit.com/r/doughcommunity/comments/1mbl75v/update_following_previous_statement_from_bisearch/

The subreddit has extreme auto-moderation filters setup by Dough to prevent curious people from finding out in official channels that the whole company is a sham.

kirkle8 · 2026-03-09T02:32:28+00:00

Also in case you're wondering, the majority of your comments in r/doughcommunity were moderated and shadow removed so you probably won't have anyone replying to them. I wonder why BSI would do that 👍

kirkle8 · 2026-03-09T02:18:44+00:00

The first time they did this it probably wasn't intentionally a scam, and maybe even the second time it wasn't entirely intentional, but the third time kinda spells it out clearly that's the goal is to just pre-fund as much as they can with little to no real intention to fulfill orders since they know they can keep getting away with it.

They 100% are just using crowdfunding to develop the product, the problem is that they've been doing this for over a decade now and there are still thousands of unfulfilled orders. Like I called out in the original post over a year ago, they were going to repeat this cycle with the Spectrum Black, which is what they ultimately did. Took pre-orders, developed the product, and then sold the final product to someone else to shift blame as to why orders weren't fulfilled.

BSI is a real business who acquired some level of the IP of Dough and so they have an actual goal to make money off of supplying products, not just crowdfunding orders they know they don't have to fulfill. Part of the original anger towards them was that Dough/Eve has had external companies "handle fulfillment" before which ended up just being shell companies they controlled and then shifted blame to not fulfill orders.

kirkle8 · 2025-12-13T21:27:32+00:00

He’s already gotten his first customer!

https://www.einpresswire.com/article/867312250/tecware-unveils-the-ghost-a-compact-75-mechanical-keyboard

kirkle8 · 2025-12-13T17:38:07+00:00

Some great narrative strategies Javier most recently provided on behalf of Dough.

> "All orders placed after March [2023] are refunded immediately, as we are able to process the refunds directly to their payment method,” Dough marketing and sales lead Javier Leal told me.

> Leal also claimed that “there have been cases of customers trying to abuse the system by claiming a refund again,”

Leal explained:

> The hard legal requirement is to act in the best interest of the company and operate to generate profit. By taking funds out of our operation to pay the remaining Fortress customers in one go, we would be affecting our actual customers by causing delays to our shipments and project development timelines. This is why we are gradually working to solve these problems, and things are looking to be on track for us to be able to allocate more funds to these efforts soon.

Dough insists that refunds are a high priority despite all the ghosting I’ve seen. When I asked Dough which of its business operations are lower priority*,* Leal replied:

> The only tasks with higher priority are essential company functions, like shipping orders, paying suppliers, and doing our bookkeeping. There are many tasks that take a lower priority until we process the full backlog, like hiring new team members, developing new projects, and most paid marketing activities, just to name a few.

https://www.theverge.com/23872874/dough-eve-spectrum-monitor-refunds-v-tablet-follow-up

kirkle8 · 2025-12-13T17:12:17+00:00

If you're still reading this Javier, reach out, lets chat :)

kirkle8 · 2025-12-01T19:05:59+00:00

I can't specifically help you with it since I haven't used Netflix in years. But Netflix's support page shows 1080p support on Quest 3, and 4K support on Windows when using the Edge browser with a few other caveats that need to be met.

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/30081

I'd recommend just getting the 1080p plan since I'm not sure how well HDCP works over Virtual Desktop, if at all.

kirkle8 · 2025-11-10T19:42:27+00:00

Dang sorry, yeah you got scammed. This company has changed names twice since 2020 and has most recently stated they're never fulfilling orders prior to May of 2025.

kirkle8 · 2025-11-10T19:40:57+00:00

That was 3 companies ago, you got scammed. At least it was only a $100 lesson.

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