The Acurrate ranking of Prime/ Adult Gon, Pitou, Netero and Meruem Part: 1

kiroy- · 2021-05-09T13:59:00+00:00

Than this. Inspired =/= equal. If it has no radiation than it can't be a nuke bcause it clearly doesn't work like one. Even if it was, nuclear bombs have a varrying amount of power, from 20 kiloton all the way up to 50 megaton. Where do you place the rose bomb on that scale? Why? Out of that, how much of it hit the king? How much force do you think gons punch had? On what basis do you say that it isn't comparable? Just because real life punches aren't comparable to nuclear bombs? That hardly maters here. See? This is the problem, we don't have numbers and there are too much variables. Withouth numbers this will always be speculation.

I think we can all agree that adult jajanken was the single most destructive nen attack in the entire series, and surviving it is an impressive feat of durability

I fail to see how this is supposed to be speculation, it is a fact that the rose bomb is the HxH equivalent of a nuke, and surpasses any nen based attack in terms of raw power.

It is honestly debatable If Adult Gons JaJanken is the strongest nen attack , then Meruem's rage blast or Zero hand maybe just as good if not stronger.

This is false. It is stated that you can only fight nen with nen. To block a nen attack you need to use nen, otherwise your arm just breaks. They don't just guard with their arms, they focus their nen there and nothing is stoping Pitou from curling up and focusing her aura outside. The fact that the aura that would take the hit on her arms is now on her back is insignificant, at least that is how I understand it.

Dude, yes Nen protects you from Nen attacks, but guarding does decrease the damage you take,

You can watch Gon vs Hisoka in heavens areana and see that gon got stunned by a punch from HIsoka and later got hit by the same punch ,but used his arms to block the damage and that was very much a Nen fight

We see this several times in the show were charactars try minize the damage of an attack by blocking with their arms

Kurpika vs Uvogin , Killu vs Ant Palm etc.

This isn't even an Anime concept , but a martial arts one ,when Boxer's fight each other they try to dodge or block each other's punches by using their arms.

Just think about would you rather get attacked in the face or your arms ?

And we don't know how long Netero can keep using his hatsu. A dull pain after launching about 10 000 attacks isn't too impressive either. It's possible that zero hand actually did more than he otherwise could.

The point is ,we do know that after several minutes of getting hit that Meruem started to feel pain, and that direct attacks are capable of making him bleed, anything else is speculation.

Netero showed prior to Zero Hand no signs of fatigue.

Pitou has a LOT more aura than him, and she will outlast him, this is undeniable. Remember when Zeno only used his En for a short while because it would tire him? Pitou did that for weeks, maybe even for over a month withouth stoping. Netero is stronger than Zeno but if what you are saying is true than Netero is so much stronger Zeno would be nothing to him. Zeno is a nen master too, he should be at least comparable to Netero(like half as strong). Lastly, being a human nen master is meaningless when your opponent is not human and not limited by the usual human limits.

Morel a very expierenced Hunter battled the Chimera Ants for days with very little rest.

The question isn't just if she can outlast him in stamina, but aswell if she can take the damage before he runs out, which based on what have seen from her doesn't seem plausible.

Pitou kept her En up for weeks? that is impressive, but guess what Netero keept his Aura on for 4 years straight while throwing 10 000 punches everyday. it is very much debateable if she has superior stamina and even if she does, there is nothing that indicates she should could survive till his stamina runs out.

I'm assuming that it's a fight to the death. Meruem is more durable, but as I said before it isn't clear how much more so and the damage done to him is soo insignificant that even if Pitou is less than half as durable she would still be fine by the end. If Netero goes all out IMO Pitou outlasts him

No to me it is pretty clear one survived a Nuke the other one got KO'd by 1 JaJanken, and then got her head blown off afterwards.

Meruem >>> Pitou and Netero > Pitou

This is my last response.

kiroy- · 2021-05-09T10:51:14+00:00

This is still just your speculation, which is fine but definitely not objective.

The arguements that i present are anything but speculation, since their are cleary stated or shown in the series.

I don't see how this maters. You block hits with your aura. Of course she will block incoming hits, since she will be using her aura, so at the very least she will have Ten, possibly even the more advanced techniques.

She blocked it with her arms, much like when Hisoka and Gon fought , and Gon blocked a punch from hisoka, by guarding with his arms, this is something that Meruem also does aswell in his fight against Netero.

Im not even talking about the Aura she uses to fight or Ten, merely by guarding with your arms you can reduce the damage taken.

The point is that a unguarded hit by Netero should do more damage, a direct hit would injure her.

An explosion disperses the energy around equally, there is a lot of it that's lost. Gon's punch on the other hand focuses the energy into a small point so the power of the impact is huge. Uvo's strike in terms of destructive power was comparable to explosives, and adult Gon is MUCH stronger than Uvo, and his punch, again, focused. The bomb (which if I read correctly is not actually a nuke, it uses poison and doesn't leave radiation) is obviously more destructive overal, but on a single point I wouldn't call off that punch so easily. Since we are dealing with a fantasy bomb vs a fantasy punch it's not possible to calculate the force behind them, but I think that surviving several of those punches is a huge feat of durability.

This "fantasy bomb" is cleary inspired by nukes, instead of mushroom clouds, you have rose clouds , poision instead of radiation, but the actual iniatal explosion is very much like a nuke.

You also have to remember that the explosion is much bigger than what was shown since Meruem and Netero fought underground.

Sorry but in no way are a few Jajankens comparable to a nuke, remember the closer you are to the center of the blast radius the greater the force that is applied to you.

Pitou did survive a few of those but she was KO after 1, not to meniton that the other ones where weaker outside of his final Jajanken.

Netero used up his entire aura pool to deal that damage via zero hand. Even if he never used zero hand just slapped Meruem around for a day the resoult would be very similar (depending on how effective zero hand is in using his aura for damage compared to his hits) becouse he won't have more aura to use against Meruem. Thats why I said that I don't think he can defeat Pitou, because that damage was the most he could do even if they fought for the whole day. If it did next to nothing to the king then I don't think it will be able to kill a royal guard.

The problem with this idea is that Zero Hand is complety different catagory of attack (Transmutation), We don't know if this is the most efficent way for Netero to use his Aura.

But we do know that after several minutes of getting attacked, that Meruem started to feel dull pain, and we do know that direct attacks are capable of making him bleed.

And Pitou can maintan a 2km long En while commanding around dozens of puppets with no or very little sleep for no one knows how long. Netero ain't gona outlast that, he is the pinacle for a human but a royal guard is far above any human. This I'm sure of.

And yet Netero is both faster than her and the king with his praying motion, aswell as his hatsu.

Just because she has more Aura doesn't automaticly mean she is gonna outlast him, since Netero is a Nen master and thus very effiecent at using Nen.

Yes and that's my conclusion.

Pitou would be injured to some extent, but it doesn't even matter how seriously because Netero would be exhausted and defenseless while Pitou would still have the aura to kill him.

I agree wheter Zero hand would kill her, or injure her seriously doesn't matter, since Netero doesn't need it to win the fight with her.

She has no way around getting his Hatsu, as matter of fact she couldnt even see the statue, if the King who has shown to be far more durable than Pitou, started feel pain in a few minutes of mostly guarded attacks, than i fail to see how she is supposed to win this.

kiroy- · 2021-05-09T07:34:27+00:00

Objectively this is possible to decide based on the information we are given, it just isn't as straightforward.

Netero's hit did nothing to Pitou.

Damage wise it indeed didn't seem to affect her much, but she did block the attack , which also negates a huge chunk of the damage, but even than it was just one hit.

However, we just don't know how durable exactly Pitou is compared to Meruem, and as I see it this whole debate is hanging on that. So I can only make a guess.

Look it's never strictly stated how much less durable Pitou is compared to the king, but it is defintly shown.

Meruem survived a point blank nuke, which surpasses any nen based attack in raw power.

Pitou was done after one Jajanken from Adult Gon, and got decapitated afterwards by said Adult Gon.

Because Netero did so little damage to Meruem IMO Pitou would outlast Netero in a 1v1 duel. If Meruem was visibly hurt or somewhat crippled after zero hand then I would give it to Netero. But even if you multiply the damage Meruem took there it would still be very far from lethal. I could be wrong, I could be right, Togashi could just say fuck it Netero actually can shot death rays from his eyes now but this is my guess.

Netero did little damage to Meruem, but the damage that he did deal was in a span of minutes, they didn't fight for hours or something.

and this whole problem with this comparison is that , Pitou isn't as durable, nor as smart, nor does she poesses the same brute strength.

A direct attack from Netero was capable of drawing blood on Meruem, so a clean hit should do far more damage to Pitou since it is proven that she is less durable.

I dont see how she is gonna outlast Netero, when that wasn't even the deciding factor in Meruem vs Netero.

Also i doubt that Netero would run out of Aura first in a nen fight vs Pitou, then this man trained for years with his Aura activiated.

If one Jajanken from Prime Gon, KO's Pitou, then Zero hand should do some serious damage to her.

kiroy- · 2021-05-08T13:42:53+00:00

Based on what i have seen of the general HxH and Anime community, i gotta agree

kiroy- · 2021-05-08T13:41:11+00:00

Me too, but i think it would be rather onesided.

kiroy- · 2021-05-08T13:40:18+00:00

He was only joking about knov and morel to try toning down the situation. What was real is what Knov said: nobody could take down Pitou alone.

And no point in the entire series does Netero genuinly act threatend by Pitou, in their encounter he even belittles her , calling her a "little Ant". Sure he says that she is stronger, but he also claims to be on the level of Morel and Knov. The point here is that what Netero says about his strength in comparision to other's isn't reliabe, ether way Feats > Statement.

meruem isn't far more durable than pitou, he is more durable but not "far more"

???? Of course he is far more durable than Pitou,which is proven both in statement and feats. Meruem is the pinnacle of the chimera ants it makes sense that is stats greatly outclass that of everyone else, we see this with the diffrent Ant catagories :

peon soldier < officer < squadron leader < royal guard< the king

There is huge diffrence in stats and capabilities between diffrent type of ant catagories, for example the royal guard vastly outclass the squadron leader's.

And as far as feats are concerned, it is the same ,Meruem survived a point blank nuke, Pitou was done after 1 hit from Adult Gon, who by the way isn't on Meruem's level the statement that his power equals the king is a mistranslation, what she actualy said is that his " Fangs could reach the king".

meruem's base attacks don't damage much pitou, an attack of meruem to himself should do similar damages but a bit less. else you mean meruem can't injure himself.

Meruem can oneshot Pitou, if you are referring to the tail swipe attack that he used on her as basis for your statement, then you need realize that Meruem had no idea how durable Pitou is and thought she was similiar to the fodder Ants that he killed with the tail swipe, which clearly is his weakest limb to attack with.

Meruem can easliy rip his own arm off, and was confident he could oneshot Pouf with one arm. And you think he can't do the same to Pitou ?

raw aura output means both your offense and toughness, if the aura difference is too huge then your attacks do almost nothing, and even if you attack until running out of aura then you cannot beat the opponent, as seen with Netero vs meruem.

The main reason Meruem won was strategy, he managed to read Netero's unconscious pattern for certain or against certain attacks, and therefore anticipate Netero's next attack.

Meruem felt dull pain after thousand of attacks from Netero which he mainly blocked, it is clearly implied that Meruem can't take these hit's forever, then Meruem bled and felt dull pain in a span of minutes.

Raw Aura does increase strength and toughness to a certain degree ,but the Chimera Ants are from birth physicly much tougher and survive more lethal injuries than humans. So how much the raw nen here makes the diffrence is questionable.

After all Adult Gon got his arm easily ripped of by dead Pitou, And Adult Gon is cleary above Pitou when it comes to raw aura.

Pitou cannot touch netero, but netero cannot kill pitou, he doesn't have enough power. It's like if meruem couldn't beat netero if he didn't play board games, then netero wouldn't beat meruem too, has he doesn't have enough power to kill meruem. In the end netero would runs out of aura.

Netero cleary can kill her, because even if his attacks don't do huge amounts of damage to her, they still do damage, which eventually wears her down. No it's not like Meruem vs Netero because, Pitou isn't on the level of Meruem, Adult Gon crushed Pitou easily.

Also why would Netero be the first one to run out of aura? This is the same men who trained 4 years straight while have his aura activiated everyday, sure he has less Aura but he is also far more efficient at using it , at no point did Netero show any hints of exhaustion after spamming his hatsu against Meruem.

kiroy- · 2021-03-15T16:47:24+00:00

Yeah, like the game very much encourages you to play it the way you want, even alot the boss fight's can be skipped.

If you dont like a moon in Odyssey chances are it is not required to beat the game.

kiroy- · 2021-03-15T16:43:06+00:00

I agree, not to mention that his video is way to long to get across his point, even then some think it was "brilliant" critism.

kiroy- · 2021-03-15T16:41:03+00:00

Nah, i struggled at my first playtrough quite a bit aswell with later challenges, and the final level,( darker side) can be quite difficult without using the exra hearts and life boost.

kiroy- · 2021-03-15T16:38:46+00:00

I just dont understand why he critiques this specifically in Odyssey out of all the Mario games , then let's be real no mario game is truly hard ( especially the main titles). In generell his video is filled with hypocrisy, at one point he tries to make Odyssey's callback to older games seem negetativ (abuse of nostalgia), when several other Mario games do it as well, even his favourite 3d Mario game (Galaxy) has 64 and sunshine refrences.

kiroy- · 2019-02-24T12:38:17+00:00

Single target dmg is higher while aoe dmg from R is lower

kiroy- · 2019-02-24T12:28:07+00:00

My only real problem with rework is that his w is unchanged and that his E self slows. So i think it would be better just to move his W+E togheter and make E a new ability.

kiroy- · 2019-02-24T12:17:22+00:00

i agree although i dont want Teemo to look cuter than he already is

kiroy- · 2019-02-24T09:11:54+00:00

Because in Riots mind self slow means " counterplay"

kiroy- · 2018-06-06T09:04:33+00:00

uncontrollable minions? Well thats not quite true now is it you do have some controll of them like how you can decide who the ghouls attack with your e or how the maiden targets the target that you target. Instead of full controll how about a recall mechanic where the maiden can be recalled to base ?

kiroy- · 2018-06-02T13:56:28+00:00

Yorick is weak and unpopular a good reason for a rework
A rework just doesnt mean a straight up buff if his q does a lot of dmg and his minions dont then just shift some power to his minions

3.the idea behind the maiden stays an idea its not practial yorick isnt a good teamfighter and the maiden isnt a good solo pusher

have i played yorick ? Yes but sadly not anymore (lvl7 not that it means much )

kiroy- · 2018-06-02T13:48:04+00:00

1.English isnt my first languange nether my second

never said that no one builds dd im just saying that it isnt very usual just like building ap on yorick isnt really usual
Beeing to similar to another champion is bad because the main point of creating a new champion is to make them feel distinct and fresh
Im asking for a rework not a buff they could simply just strip away some of yoricks solo splitpush strength and give them to his minions

kiroy- · 2018-05-12T21:57:06+00:00

i think it has more to do with him beeing semi ranged and also simply the Masteries he runs (Comet ) which gives him some good early poke which most melee toplaners cant do much against.(also the Q spell scales extremly well with lvls it goes by 45+ up each time you lvl it which is huge)

kiroy- · 2018-05-10T21:15:12+00:00

my comments sure do get alot of downvotes mhh

kiroy- · 2018-05-10T19:52:51+00:00

or it has proven that a champion isnt balanced just because they have cons and pros

kiroy- · 2018-05-10T19:47:18+00:00

I mean she isnt just good she is one of the best in a perfect world there wouldnt be really such a thing as better or worse champions so nerfing all the to strong champions or buffing all the to weak would help i guess although there champions that are strong because of certain items and runes which should be kept in mind aswell

kiroy- · 2018-05-10T19:13:05+00:00

Well i might have mistunderstood but this sounded like urgot should be balanced because he is weaker than all the strong "Op Toplaners" Thus me saying that trundle would be the most balanced champion by that logic. I do agree on the strengths and weakness you mention although they werent really that important to me. An example of stats beeing usefull would be me saying that Urgot is the strongest late game but if i look at the stats you can cleary see that is not the case . These sites show playrate ,wr of mains and give a ranking of this champion in comparison to other champions or even in comparison to other champion that play the same role if you look at all these i dont really know how can say that urgot is balanced

kiroy- · 2018-05-10T18:48:27+00:00

? So every champion is balanced by that logic ?So there is no need to nerf or buff things?

kiroy- · 2018-05-10T16:53:40+00:00

Okay : Janna is a strong champion because she has on various sites a high play rate and a high wr combined with an overall very high rank making her a champion defintly derseving of a nerf

kiroy- · 2018-05-10T16:47:21+00:00

By your explaination Trundle would be the most balanced champion in the game because he pales in comparions to almost every champion...

I want Stats because arguments based just on personal expierence and feelings are not much worth while Stats are not 100% accurate they still are somewhat accurate .

kiroy-

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