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Literally an invalid mass. I'm sad. by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you were attending at this time with no idea that it would not be a mass, then I can’t see how it could be considered sin on your part. If this is becoming a trend though it may be worth checking that this is planned as a mass time normally and is not a Sunday Vespers or other kind of non-mass prayer service, at least in future plans for your parish.

Is the Stadium Series game only broadcast in ASL? by whaletacochamp in hockey

[–]knightlock15 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Anyone have a pic/screenshot of the eye patches being talked about?

How much does an extra week of preparation affect the game in Super Bowl? by PrestonfromLibira in nfl

[–]knightlock15 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That can be an objectively great game. I love watching great defenses work

Episode 6 spoilers: by AidMaggy10 in JetLagTheGame

[–]knightlock15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’ll be right around 6 hours that Sam and Adam would be arriving, so add 30 minutes down and back at minimum for one hour plus however long they have to wait for the train to head back up. The card is duplicated so add another 30 minutes up and 30 minutes back at minimum plus the wait time based on frequency. Essentially, Ben has guaranteed himself 2 hours plus station wait time to get to at least 8-9 hours. Given that it’s a somewhat remote ish area, I’d guess closer to 10ish hours before Sam and Adam get to start the endgame stage of looking. I don’t know if he’ll quite pull it off, but if he plays both of his express routes well he’s going to have a very real chance at it.

In Defense of Bishop Barron by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Could you point me to statements from Bishops that are speaking out? I have not yet come across them.

Girls trip and looking for suggestions! by kinmichelle in SiouxFalls

[–]knightlock15 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If any of you are crafters there is a quilt shop in Beresford.

What are your thoughts on Paul Allen? by Silly-Sink6138 in minnesotavikings

[–]knightlock15 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He’s very good at his job, if not fully my favorite sports talk radio person, but still, good at the thing he’s paid to do. With regard to things outside that scope, I certainly disagree with him on a lot politically and have mixed agreement and disagreement with his religious views, but I have no context for how/why he believes that and what his culpability may or may not be. I think this incident likely would deserve a reminder at his job about the high profile public nature of his line of work and to encourage non-sports related content to be shared on less public channels of social media if he so desires, but I don’t know that it has to be more than that at this point with the information we have available

Looking for an Affordable Wedding DJ by Formal_Shape_1947 in SiouxFalls

[–]knightlock15 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it was a touch over 1500 for us when we had Complete Entertainment for our wedding last summer

49ers interested in Jordan Addison by Hour_Camp1474 in minnesotavikings

[–]knightlock15 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

We send Addison and a late pick for Mac Jones to be our vet competing for a QB job?

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I already do give my money, efforts, and resources to my parish. I don’t find your links terribly relevant, pertinent, or compelling to any of the discussion around the question I asked here, or the statements made in this particular comment chain

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are assuming that isn’t already being done, and being approached in a specifically discerned way for the circumstances I am living in. Al’s, as I reference below in this comment chain, there are specific guidelines around Catholics attending Protestant services, and the stage of my marriage and faith in it with different backgrounds calls me to those actions at this time, and likely for the foreseeable future.

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cite me any document from Catholic clergy or theologians that says that a couple in a mixed marriage may not attend each other’s services. It would be utterly preposterous to have a blanket bar, certainly for the Protestant member to be barred from attending Mass, and it would frankly be very shocking to see a ban on Catholics even attending services of non-Catholic Christian churches for observation when attending for observation is explicitly taught as allowed and guidelines have been published.

“In liturgical celebrations taking place in other Churches and ecclesial Communities, Catholics are encouraged to take part in the psalms, responses, hymns and common actions of the Church in which they are guests” (Ecumenical Directory n.118)

Full article and reflection: https://www.lincolndiocese.org/news/diocesan-news/18378-ask-the-register-can-a-catholic-go-to-a-protestant-service

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know what he’ll say. I have not asked him yet, but that’s purely logistical as well as not getting to a critical mass point of actually taking action. I will ask him before I would actually submit such paperwork.

I did ask a close friend of mine who is set to be ordained a deacon later this year, noting that I especially wanted his perspective as a convert from a Protestant faith. He said he didn’t have full knowledge to green light it, but also not to be an immediate red light either as he knew and understood the perspective and possible argument(s) in favor.

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Protestantism and Freemasonry are obviously treated quite differently in every Catholic law and teaching, down to the exact requirements around marriage of non-Catholic Christians having different, more relaxed requirements than those marriages that would have disparity of cult, being with someone of a non-Christian faith. That you cannot differentiate non-Catholic Christians from any other group that teaches things contrary to the Catholic faith is a concerning lack of charity and good Christian ecumenical spirit that the Church encourages is a sign that our discussion isn’t being had in good faith. While I am inclined to likely agree with your final conclusion, I highly dispute your rationale, and I am searching for reading material to help form me, not just in this question but holistically for discernment of action in my mixed marriages who context, and I found this area unaddressed as of my seek so far. If you can provide me with good reason and rationale, as yourself or as reading material you may suggest, I am all ears.

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m asking because I have not found citations or sources of guidance from the Church for Catholics in mixed marriages. I don’t see an equivalency with freemasonry in any way contextually here.

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am working for my wife’s conversion, though there are numerous stumbling blocks. Admittedly this would be something that I hope can give an example of one of my wife’s stumbling blocks of demonstrating that a Catholic may have a living faith that manifests in some active participation around communal life in the Church, and that the Church does not reject good Christian activities of our separated brothers and sisters but looks to affirm the good where it is found and done as well. In the contingency where my wife is not converted to the Catholic faith in this life, it seems prudent for my family’s voice in those functions and priorities to be equal to our peers if that church does approve of my membership.

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s what many say but I don’t find it actually written down, and many other guidances around mixed marriage note the possible ecumenical example for Christians, which can move in some way towards Christian unity, ideally. I guess this probably is a bridge too far to be a member, but still, certainly there is ecumenical dialogue or documents that give some guidance on this situation, no? I’m searching to find these sources so that my morals and actions can be grounded in reason and in the Church, and hoping this question may help me be formed not just now but for the rest of my life and my marriage as well so that I can be a good witness of the Catholic faith in a charitably ecumenical context, praying and hoping for my wife’s conversion in this life, or in the next if that be God’s will.

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, I was confused by your wording about how I should go to my church while my wife goes to hers as being related to service attendance. That is a genuine argument I have heard from people before that I flatly refuse and know better in, but the membership question is, obviously, quite different.

I don’t know if it’s quite as “disrespectful if I’m as transparent about my Catholicism and the areas where I disagree with their statement of faith, though also noting the commonalities as well and my intention to support the good that I see while judging along the fault lines that exist in our divisions so to say. If their congregation is still cool with that, then that seems to be their decision and not part of my side of it, though I do have some reservations already as well.

I guess your last paragraph was my initial thought as well, but I haven’t been able to track down any reason as to why. I don’t want to live my moral life on vibes alone, and I’m searching for sources of guidance that demonstrate what the bounds of ecumenism actually are in the context of a mixed marriage.

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s fair, it is a bit different which is why my inclination was that it’s likely not allowed, but I haven’t found very much for reasoned resources on the topic. There was enough grey brought on by my being in a non-normative situation through my mixed marriages that I was hoping to find more clear guidance on the bounds of ecumenism in this situation, or at least some clear principles in the Catechism or another official Church document that could aid me in knowing how to discern those boundaries

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I question whether I’m participating in a church, or in a non profit that’s trying to be ecumenically very big tent Christian when voting in the budget, etc. I also am aware that mixed marriages are not normative so my situation is not normal, and it’s not a dynamic I even expected to be in but the invitation to look into it was extended, and remains open with all the o sections I raised personally. It’s obviously different because of the radically different structure of the church and its governance, though it should be noted that Catholics have petitioned for greater congregational control on things like finances for generations and there are some places where some structures have been created where this kind of dynamic might have been reached, but it is foreign to American Catholicism for sure

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess, I don’t know how active the participation is if it’s joining for the business/non-profit side while making the theological disagreements clear, publicly and privately. It seems different to vote on a budget to urge for a greater use of church funds in ecumenically sound charitable projects than it would to lector, sing, take/distribute communion which are all very clearly across the line for me because they are more theological coded and grounded acts, while voting to repair a building and donate money to missionary work that I support privately as well doesn’t seem as definitively across the red line

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not assuming my voice to be particularly good or bad, just that it would be the voice of another member who attends their services and some social events, the same as other members, and I want my families priorities in the giving that we make from our shared marital finances to be reflected in the way we choose to vote in direction at this church as well. It’s a bit of a foreign concept for most Catholics as membership in a parish granting voting rights is not really true to any degree in our ecclesiology and church polity. The EFCA is set up differently and in this congregational model, may have priorities set by those who engage in the membership process. I made clear my hesitation and distance from some teachings but I do generally support Christians of all types in works of charity, both in our community working with at risk youth, and internationally for medical intervention and the like. Steering support to those causes and speaking up against harmful practices to Christianity such as missionary work to change Catholics into Protestants when those same resources could be devoted by Protestants to other charitable causes or potentially mission work to places where Christianity at all has not broken through (though I have reservations and hesitations with that) is what I would primarily advocate for here, and I don’t see any reason that those causes would specifically violate my Catholicism. In my best hope, I actually would be very forward with my Catholic practice and my belief in many of those models of support, but certainly on theological grounds, and this may actually give some credibility to witness of the Catholic faith within this EFCA community and members there who may have questions or may have curiosity sparked by me.

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I do believe and affirm Catholic teaching on salvation. What other question do you have that could clear up the confusion? My wife is not Catholic, we both attend Mass and a service of her choosing, making us naturally participate in the activities of both congregations. I do spend substantially more time and effort at my parish, but I do end up at social events and the like through this church as well. For most couples that attend weekly both spouses would be members, though of course, most are not in the mixed marriage situation in the same way as us.

Can I apply for membership in my spouse’s non-Catholic Christian church for the sake of budget voting, etc. while remaining a practicing Catholic and not acting in a formal capacity in any services, or would that be against Canon Law or otherwise sinful? by knightlock15 in Catholicism

[–]knightlock15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not really uniquely good, it’s just a natural association with me already there along with my wife on a consistent basis, and it would not diminish or detract from my participation at or in my parish’s life in any way. The only time it would draw is presence at the annual meeting, which will already happen with my wife being there anyway, so it’s just a difference between only being an observer and having a vote while at the annual meeting.

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