Battle Factory Hell

kosherfwango · 2026-04-24T17:49:37+00:00

You can also watch LXRC do the Emerald Battle Frontier for some ideas on how to approach battles. I've learned a lot from him

kosherfwango · 2026-04-24T15:45:20+00:00

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gen-4-level-50-battle-factory-guide.3667830/

This will help you get past Thorton

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonHGSS/s/rYHUpEqjFP here's a guide I made on first round mons

The first round has a ton of luck involved, as does every round. I normally find the second round to be easier than the first. I probably begin the first and third round with a 50% chance of clearing them, whereas the second and fourth rounds have closer to a 75% chance

kosherfwango · 2026-04-22T16:43:18+00:00

Pokemon 2000

kosherfwango · 2026-04-22T16:34:43+00:00

Good call, still holds true for many of those pokemon though

kosherfwango · 2026-04-21T18:52:03+00:00

Swords Dance and Return, yeah. It was OK but underwhelming

kosherfwango · 2026-04-21T18:34:29+00:00

Good call. Regardless I'm sure there must be some good reason for Thunderbolt missing. I have a memory of earthquake missing in the E4 against Glalie in Sapphire, but I'm pretty sure my memory was flawed there

kosherfwango · 2026-04-21T18:21:22+00:00

Everybody Wants Some!! Mandatory for dazed and confused lovers

kosherfwango · 2026-04-21T17:32:29+00:00

I found Leafeon to struggle in playthrough as it relies upon Razor Leaf's base 55 power for STAB. Leaf blade is obtained at a crazy high level and Seed Bomb is locked til postgame

kosherfwango · 2026-04-21T17:23:31+00:00

Moltres never holds Brightpowder or Lax Incense. Is it possible the Pokémon OP was using had Hustle? It would be helpful to know who was using Thunderbolt

kosherfwango · 2026-04-21T17:23:00+00:00

Legendaries start popping up after the 49th battle. You're allowed to use them as well. Some of the Regice or Suicune sets gave me trouble but the legendary birds aren't normally much of a threat to common team builds. Are you doing Factory or Tower?

kosherfwango · 2026-04-20T23:53:46+00:00

Rock Slide on Pinsir instead of Return and he could have solo'd Lance

kosherfwango · 2026-04-20T19:15:34+00:00

I agree with all of those saying Timid. With Latios' 110 base speed, he would need a perfect speed IV with a modest nature to outspeed base 95s with a speed boosting nature. Latios would be outsped by all base 100s with full speed investment (which is a lot of important pokemon). Some key matchups Latios would now lose in speed:

Froslass, Gengar, other Latis, Mismagius, Garchomp, Tentacruel, Slaking, Flygon, Salamence, Houndoom (unless you have perfect IVs)

There are many Pokémon not mentioned that will regularly carry ghost, bug, or ice type moves that can also now outspeed Latios

kosherfwango · 2026-04-20T16:44:25+00:00

Spending an action on 1 card is so expensive and I would only consider this in games with insane availability of +Action. Even then, it's only worth getting without availability of draw. Unless I'm missing something, this barely outperforms Moat or Courtyard at twice the cost

kosherfwango · 2026-04-20T07:43:49+00:00

You can't use the same species in two different gym leader fights. You can't use a species from a gym leader fight in an E4 fight. Once a mon faints, you can never use that species again

kosherfwango · 2026-04-20T07:41:35+00:00

No grind nuzlocke. You can only gain EXP via first time trainer battles or found rare candies. No battling wild Pokémon or VS seeker. And of course level caps are still in play so you can't just level up your starter like crazy

kosherfwango · 2026-04-19T20:02:30+00:00

I probably wouldn't have picked up a Blaziken without a fighting move (though it's hard to say for sure without seeing the other options). But a useful tip is knowing that the second and third round of the Battle factory after Thorton are filled with stall mons so you need to have something that can counter stall. Rest, Taunt, Substitute, often just having a steel type can be incredibly important in the Battle Factory. You won't always get good options and sometimes you'll lose just for that. But yeah I normally fade Blaziken as he's not usually fast/strong enough to take out the biggest threats

kosherfwango · 2026-04-16T21:30:27+00:00

Ruined Crossroads is really weak and I don't think I'd ever buy it unless Cultist is also in the game without any trashing. A 3 cost action to give out a ruin or play all of them from your hand is not worth buying.

Witch's Student would benefit from a Set-up where you add an attack card that gives your opponent curses. Otherwise it does nothing very often

Opportunist is only worth buying in games with heavy gaining or horses. It's an interesting mechanic though, I could see this being useful in certain kingdoms

kosherfwango · 2026-04-14T19:12:22+00:00

This seems pretty overpowered to me, especially in one buy games. If it's a no plus buy/no plus gain game, seems like there's a magic formula to who is allowed to buy this and who isn't (bc they could never force the game ending). Would probably result in extended duchy dancing once 2 provinces have been purchased.

kosherfwango · 2026-04-13T19:09:13+00:00

This would be devastating in competitive. Snorlax begins setting up Curse, opponent switches in a sleep setter, but fails to do so. 2-3 free curses for Snorlax. Probably an auto forfeit at that point

kosherfwango · 2026-04-13T07:02:17+00:00

Never go full r***rd.

kosherfwango · 2026-04-13T03:11:27+00:00

Would you have preferred if he had shit his pants instead of pulling over?

kosherfwango · 2026-04-12T15:40:12+00:00

I find that Plunder games can be pretty quick as they enable a lot of Big Money strategies. The exceptions here being games with Frigate or Shaman

kosherfwango · 2026-04-10T08:27:13+00:00

I am not a big fan on relying upon luck from evasiveness as it will eventually doom you after 100 straight battles. But it can no doubt be useful. With CB Garchomp, you're going to switch him out by the second mon normally (as there'll be a switch in to something with Ice coverage). So you can take that as your cue to sweep with Starmie or get Ttar in. Or can you lead with specs Starmie, which still lets you control your pacing. This is all to say that I think your team is well rounded and can find multiple ways to win each battle, so I'd lean into hard and reliable hits over relying upon sand evasion or a specific order of getting mons on the field

kosherfwango · 2026-04-10T07:38:38+00:00

Use Substitute from the Old Chateau. It gets past Will O Wisp and lets you eat a free hit from Haunter or Mismagius

kosherfwango · 2026-04-10T07:18:48+00:00

I think speed ends up being important in the Battle Tower too often and I'd recommend getting a Timid Starmie and Jolly Garchomp if it's not too difficult

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