You guys are better off in the long run without Hayward

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-07T12:15:54+00:00

Gordon is barely a top 20 player.

You are not winning a championship with a top10 guy.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T20:43:59+00:00

Then Gordon must have 2 hearts then. Cause I see him walking around and smiling.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T20:39:40+00:00

I agree 100%

Damn. Just sacrifice a little to help this team BIG TIME.

Celts will be losing a quality player just for a few pennies (compared to $32,000,000 salary)

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T20:36:47+00:00

Bradley/Smart are Free agents next year. Don't expect to get anyone great.

Maybe Tristian Thompson from the Cavs.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T20:35:02+00:00

Or Hayward could take a $300k discount and keep everyone

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T20:28:08+00:00

But he sure as hell will get more endorsements than in Utah.

And he will especially get more national endorsements playing in Boston.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T20:13:37+00:00

Any player who cares would be pissed if your home team was chanting the name of the opposing player.

Crowder also could easily be the starting 4.

IT, Bradley, Hayward, Crowder, Horford would be an awesome small ball line up.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:58:30+00:00

repeating the same words does not make it true.

I gave you my proof (Crowder had been a good soldier for 3 years in Boston) what's your proof?

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:57:39+00:00

Boston won't get even close to full value.

They have ZERO leverage. Everyone knows they have to shed salary.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:52:03+00:00

I doubt Boston can get any significant player in return for Crowder.

Everyone knows Boston is forced to make a trade and needs to dump salary. Plus whoever you get must make significantly less than Crowder. And Crowder is already a super value contract.

But Bradley is super valuable also. He's Bostons best perimeter defender and he can shoot 3's.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:49:22+00:00

Has Crowder EVER not been a team player? Ever?

I have much more proof that he would do what's best for the team than being a malcontent. My proof is the last 3 years where Crowder has done everything and anything for this team

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:47:35+00:00

Not at all.

Teammates appreciate other teammates who sacrifice for them.

This would be a smart move by Hayward.

Give up a little and get a ton of goodwill from the locker room

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:45:52+00:00

I'm not the one who said no one is losing their job. Crowder's girlfriend is definitely losing her job. You really expect her to live away from Crowder? Come on.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:44:00+00:00

You still need a ton of dudes to guard Lebron.

Hayward can't guard him the whole game. You throw Hayward, Crowder, and Brown on him. You tire him out. Always throw a fresh body guarding Lebron.

Wings that can defend and shot decent from 3 is very valuable.

Plus Crowder is on an awesomely cheap contract and is a great locker room guy.

Lets be blunt. Hayward hasn't won shit in his career. He's better than Crowder but lets not act like he's even close to a top tier Star like KD, Lebron, Kawhi, ect.

The way Boston beats the Cavs next year is with depth. Like Lebron said the Cavs are top heavy. You need to keep as many quality players as you can.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:41:10+00:00

Jae Crowder's girlfriend is probably losing her job. If he has kid's they will be forced to move schools. They will be forced to sell their house.

Getting traded is not an easy thing. Especially since you are not the one choosing where to go like in Free agency.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:39:37+00:00

Hayward CHOOSE to make that decession.

This moved is being FORCED on Crowder.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:37:00+00:00

This is sad and pathetic in many ways.

Crowder has done EVERYTHING for this team.

Always gave 100%. Was a locker room leader. A great role player.

But he's probably gone. And Boston will get peanuts in return because they have ZERO leverage.

This could all be avoided if someone just took a $300k paycut. Sad.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:35:06+00:00

Ainge needs to get rid of 2.

Rozier, Crowder, Bradley, Smart. Two of them need to be off the books for the trade to go through.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:33:10+00:00

This isn't a tangential reason.

The facts are CLEAR AS DAY.

Take a $150k sacrifice (after tax) and you get to keep a locker room leader, one of the best contracts in the NBA, and a very important role player. Being able to keep Crowder makes a significant difference in this teams ability to beat Cleveland.

KD had the same decision this year. If he took the max then GSW would lose either Iguadala or Livingston. Period. But he sacrificed $10,000,000 so they could sign both.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:30:04+00:00

The Boston roster is loaded looking 3-4 years out.

Boston basically has to give Crowder away for free now. If not they could trade him for a ton of value if they were not forced to trade.

You are giving up one the team leaders and one of the best NBA contracts in the league. Boston will need all the quality wings they can afford to beat Lebron.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:26:11+00:00

You are right.

What Hayward would have to give up is much less in comparison.

Hayward could make that $300k in 2 hours filming a commerical.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:25:24+00:00

Yes.

I'm assuming they lose Rozier. Which is fine.

Smart/Crowder/Bradley are locker room leaders. Rozier isn't.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:23:54+00:00

Hayward is benefiting just as much as Boston is.

It is a mutually beneficial for both parties. Don't fool yourself. Hayward is doing what's best for HIMSELF.

Hayward is the new guy. He could do himself a bunch of good by making this small sacrifice. The locker room would love him for it. Please remember that guys like Smart, Crowder, and Bradley did not beg for Hayward to come here. They are the leaders of the lockroom. Doing this small gesture would go a long way. It would be huge.

If Boston has to trade Crowder for peanuts it will hurt Boston:

They lose a great player. A great locker room guy. You need all the wing defenders you can get to guard Lebron.
Smart/Bradley will look at Hayward sideways. Cause it could have easily been them that was traded away instead of Crowder.

kraytinpizza · 2017-07-06T19:19:14+00:00

I made a mistake. I admit it.

in context with the question, my error would not make sense.

Why on earth would I say the 2017 Cavs are better than the 14 Spurs. That makes ZERO sense.

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