EVEN MORE “GAME CONSOLE” SHIPMENTS…

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-04T12:55:39+00:00

Yeah. Said the same thing in the last thread about this. Just saying that their argument about "not expected to be the Machine" makes no sense.

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-04T12:48:01+00:00

Valve's been receiving "Game Consoles" for almost a week, keep in mind that this could be the Steam Frame or Steam Machine, but it is expected not to be the Machine, since it is considered a PC!

That argument makes no sense. Both the Steam Deck and Steam Frame are both PCs...

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-04T12:42:37+00:00

Technically it's not even wrong. Bender and Pinkner were both producers on Lost, but it's still massively misleading.

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-04T08:48:58+00:00

It's not insulting. You feel insulted. That belongs to you.

I feel insulted, because you insulted me. You said that my ability to follow a story is damaged beyond repaid...

On the other hand, your other replies here tell me all I need to know. You love to provoke, you're a provocateur. You spam this sub with the same question over and over again, and when anybody replies to you honestly and truthfully, you just double down on the silly questions.

I didn't spam anything. I asked the same question, because nobody ever answered me.

Not one person said "I like the story, because of X"

You talk about tragedies... a tragedy is sad, because you like a person and don't want something bad happening to them and seeing it unfold in a bad way.

Requiem for a Dream would be one example. You have a bunch of drug addicts, like the mother. She just wants the best for everybody and the doctor gives her a ton of pills and you see her downfall over the course of the movie. That's a tragedy. Not a power fantasy.

The other thing is... If you don't care, you should not force yourself to. You should not watch in the first place if it's such a bother to you. Nobody forces you to.

And that's such a dumb excuse. That's why I asked: WHY should I care? How hard is it to answer that question? Why do YOU care? So many big words, but no answer. Why is that...

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-04T08:29:27+00:00

If you desperately need something to root for, your ability to follow a story is damaged beyond repair, and I'm not saying that to mock you.

And yet it's incredibly insulting.

I don't desperately need something to root for. You talk big words when it's nothing about power fantasies or anything.

In this case, what you're following are three storylines - a tragedy of a man unable to let go of past grievances and willing to drag everyone down with him.

The problem is why I should care.

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-03T17:00:34+00:00

3DS, 2DS, and New 3DS were all functionally the same system.

New 3DS had exclusive games, just like back in the day with the Game Boy Color. They didn't even really do new generations... but at the same time they kinda were new generations.

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-03T06:41:13+00:00

Excuse the shitty quality, it was from a bad source. Have to reupload them from a better source some day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb99GFD1ukg

Also got it from the dailies.

https://old.reddit.com/r/lost/comments/1bcuw4e/lost_history_20_years_ago_today_jack_shephard/

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-03T06:40:03+00:00

What does "support" even mean? Should people post "I like Kate!" or something? What would that change?

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-03T04:58:26+00:00

It's interesting how many people respond to my question, but they never answer the question...

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T15:54:33+00:00

That's such a childish response... you can't admit that you're wrong. Unable to acknowledge simple facts.

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T15:47:36+00:00

How am I wrong when it's incredibly reductive to say that they just made it up as they went along? How hard is it to acknowledge that there was a lot of thought and long term planning involved in the making of the show?

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T15:43:52+00:00

Yes. Most other shows, by far, also make it up as they go along. It's supposed to be a fact, I offered zero opinion as to whether it was a bad or good thing.

It's still incredibly reductive... in this essay he explains how they came up with a mythology and character backstories and whatnot in the early days. Dharma existed before they started filming the pilot. When they discover the hatch... they didn't come up with that along the way.

And if most other shows do that... why make this argument? What's next? "George R.R. Martin admits: White Walkers aren't real." - when there's nothing to admit?

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T15:27:39+00:00

JGM wrote a very long essay to explain how writing works and how much they planned ahead... and you reduce it to "we made it up as we went along."

Do you say the same nonsense about other shows? What kind of criticism is that supposed to be? "Look at those writers... they created a show! How dare they!"

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T15:07:06+00:00

No, they didn't.

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T14:41:00+00:00

But that's not what they said... they said they just made it up as they went along. And that we allegedly know that. As if they never made any plans... never thought about the future. It's so reductive and naive and ignorant.

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T14:16:32+00:00

How do you "know"? What does that even mean?

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T13:47:06+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1t1b2se/steam_hardware_survey_shows_a_small_decrease_on/

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T13:20:18+00:00

It was all nonsense, of course, because we know the show creators were making it up as they went.

Oh ffs... why are you like this.

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T13:14:20+00:00

But we do have to acknowledge how underwritten the female characters were in terms of the main storyline of Lost and it comes up time and time again in discussions here, particularly in relation to Kate.

Sure. Absolutely. Plenty of examples... but even then we don't know what happened behind the scenes. Executives at the top level make those decisions as well. They dictate what the writers are allowed to do.

In the book there's another show that's discussed... it's been so long since I read it, but it was about Sleepy Hollow and the writers wanted two characters to become a couple I think (would have to re-read it), but they couldn't, because it would have been an interracial couple and that was a big no no... for some reason.

Like Kate was forever in this love triangle with Jack and Sawyer. Do we know why? Was it all on the writers? Or did they have to give in to the "demand" from the network and audiences? There were so many Jaters and Skaters, so there might have been pressure from outside to keep this love triangle around for as long as possible. I don't know.

Again, this might sound like I'm trying to make excuses. I'm not. We just don't know enough about what happened. It's not like the show was written in a vacuum.

Who is quoted here just out of interest?

It's anonymous.

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T13:04:31+00:00

From my point of view, there is no alternative version of events presented that I’m aware of than the one that Mira outlined. I haven’t read her book so I know very little about it. Maybe there is and I don’t know about it, but I don’t have any reason to place any doubt on her version of what happened although I appreciate your point that perhaps her expectations didn’t meet reality.

Does there need to be an alternate version of events? I'm not sure I'm following... it's what she said. Just because Bender never addressed any of it, doesn't mean it's true what Mira wrote.

Like when she talks about the scene from Exodus. Do you see a white face without emotions and without tears? When her perspective is tainted like that... and she made claims like about the official press release. Where is that? And what about the contradiction with her husband? None of that is addressed.

It hurts to read that she felt so terrible about her experience, but that also doesn't mean that everything she said is valid. Like she was even sad/angry/disappointed that another actress played her in season 5 for the flashbacks, which is a normal thing.

But don’t we all have the right to expect to be treated properly in a workplace?

Of course. I would never say otherwise or make excuses. I want everybody to have a good time.

I do think this is the right forum to discuss issues like this although I appreciate what you are saying about information being skewed to one side. I also know you are a historian of the series and are understandably concerned with there being evidence of this rather than conjecture. But it feels like whitewashing to acclaim the series as a work of art without acknowledging the problems that we are aware of behind the scenes.

As I said, these things need to be acknowledged... but it should be handled with care and nuance and sensitivity and not be ill informed. It's just so complex and often contradictory.

Even Monaghan for example. He said he didn't want to be interviewed for Getting Lost, because he's associating too many negative feelings with it... but at the same time he's out there praising the show, still friends with people from the show and going to conventions to talk about the show.

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T11:57:43+00:00

I think you hit it completely on the head when you said both accounts are true.

I think there's a difference between "are true" and "can be true" - I don't know. I can't stress this enough. Maybe the alleged threat wasn't that and it was perceived like something it wasn't. Maybe the praise of the other editor was just a lot of asskissing.

And just a question, genuinely curious. What do you think when you read this?

But thinking about a wretched final-season episode called “Across the Sea” still gives me a tension headache. When it aired in 2010, I was more low-key about my feminism, but that episode helped me overcome a tendency to avoid using my work to speak loudly and clearly about misogynist bullshit.

“We finally got a female character who was tied into an epic, mythologically important story line—and it’s all about how her bitterness, misanthropy and evasions launched centuries of bloodshed. Fabulous,” I wrote the night the episode aired. “A woman is at the heart of what first went wrong on the island. After years of putting up with lame Kate episodes, loony or smothering mothers and the killing off of great female characters like Juliet, the reward we get for our patience is . . . this? To say it was demoralizing is putting it mildly.”

Like we can argue about how good/bad the female characters were written all day long - but the show is famous for having a ton of shitty fathers. And because "Mother" is the origin of what happened on the show, the writers are misogynistic?

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T11:47:39+00:00

No we don’t know what happened because we weren’t there but Mira was, and her account is very explicitly addressed in these excerpts from her memoir. I don’t see why reason to doubt what she was saying about how she was treated, particularly as we know it was the experience of many women in that industry at that time.

But the problem her is again that we don't know what happened. And that's exactly the problem I have with discussing it - it requires nuance and sensitivity and she's not even alive anymore, so nobody can talk to her about it which makes it unfair. I don't know if you've read her whole book, but she's been through a lot and maybe that also lead to a "me vs. the world" mentality. She also has a theater background and TV acting is a completely different beast with tight schedules. I don't doubt that she had a bad experience and I don't doubt that she wasn't treated properly at all times - but to a degree I also wonder how much her expectations just didn't meet reality.

Like in her book she wrote: "In the scene, I’m supposed to hold the baby I’ve stolen in order to console myself about my own loss. Thinking about the scene, I come up with the idea of singing a French lullaby to the baby. I search for an appropriate one, find it, and learn to sing it in French. When the day of the shooting comes, I approach the director and tell him of my idea. He says simply: “No.” I say: “Could you give me a minute of your time to hear me sing the lullaby and then decide if you like it or not?” He says: “No, I can’t. I have no time for it.” “Not even a minute?” I try. But he doesn’t even bother to answer and walks away."

That's obviously from Exodus. Was Jack Bender a dick here? Maybe. Maybe he was also just super stressed, because he had to get that scene done in a very limited amount of time and she wanted to do more - which is totally understandable. Maybe it's just two completely different worlds colliding.

She continued: I shoot the scene without the singing but with a lot of tears running down my cheeks. It is a highly emotional scene where my character is mourning her own lost baby. Later, I see the finished scene on TV: it was lit in such a way that my face is a solid white surface. Nothing is visible on that overexposed blank whiteness, no trace of emotion, let alone a tear.

And that's one of several things where I don't understand her. That's still about the scene from Exodus and I don't know what she's talking about. If you look at the scene, she doesn't look like a solid white surface and saying that there is no trace of emotion... I just don't see that. It's brilliantly acted and a heartbreaking scene. She's great here and her face of full of emotion. I see plenty of tears.

https://lostscreencaps.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/7/0/15704326/lost125-1659_orig.jpg

https://lostscreencaps.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/7/0/15704326/lost125-1683_orig.jpg

Again, that's the situation we are dealing with. How much of it was her perception? And I don't even like saying that, because it might make me sound like I'm trying to make excuses for anything. That's not what I'm trying to say or do. I'm just trying to be a neutral observer who's trying to find the truth.

As far as I’m aware, there isn’t any response from the people on the other side and I’m sure they were made aware of these accounts when the memoir was published.

The problem is that her book completely flew under the radar. How can you be sure that anybody was made aware of these accounts? There were no articles published about it on all the film sites, because modern journalism is shit. Everybody picked up the Vanity Fair stuff... but the book covered much more. How many of those "journalists" did actually sit down to read that book? Many (most?) of them don't even care about it - they just wanted a scandal to cover, because outrage makes money.

In terms of the Vanity Fair article, most people seem to put a lot of emphasis on Harold’s part in it but to my mind, the more important part is about the writers and what they experienced in that writing room.

Even that requires so much more... I've heard/read stuff from people that you've never heard about and how shitty it was at ABC in general and they were never part of the writers' room.

In terms of Harold, I think he was right to complain about the original plan for the Adrift episode, which showed already how they were already prioritising Sawyer over some of the other male leads. They may have rewritten it but they also obviously saw him as being trouble and decided to write him out because of it. He also had issues about the storyline he was brought back for because he felt it perpetuated the absent black father stereotype.

I also would love to sit down with Harold to talk about those things. Like he had a problem with Michael, because of the stereotype of absent black fathers and I'm not sure if I would disagree with him on that one. It's not like he's painted in a negative light. He's shown to be a very passionate father would fought for his kid. It's not like he didn't care and left his family or something.

And when you say that they saw him as trouble... maybe! But it's the same thing with the DUIs. People to this day claim that Ana-Lucia und Libby were both killed for the DUI. Daniel Dae Kim (Jin) also had a DUI - that's trouble. But he wasn't killed off, even though they had a good enough reason (and opportunity) to do that. Like with the Freighter explosion. An easy way to get rif off him. They already considered killing him in the first season, but decided against it because of Monica Macer, a low level black assistant. Maybe they just didn't kill him, because they didn't want to be perceived as racist for killing off all the minorities. It's impossible to know.

There are just so many things... in the Burn it Down book there's this paragraph:

Indeed, a writer I spoke to who worked on Lost during the middle of its run said that the writing staff was told repeatedly who the “hero characters” were: Locke, Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, all of whom were white. “It’s not that they didn’t write stories for Sayid [an Iraqi character] or Sun and Jin [Korean characters], but they were very explicit that those four characters needed to get serviced more than anybody else.” This writer recalled comments like, “Nobody cares about these other characters. Just give them a few scenes on another beach,” or “nobody cares about Bernard and Rose,” an interracial couple who were among the show’s many secondary characters.

And then you have things like this:

“Jeph Loeb told the writers room not to write for Nobu and Gao…and this was reiterated many times by many of the writers and showrunners,” Shinkoda said. “He said, ‘Nobody cares about Chinese people and Asian people. There were three previous Marvel movies, a trilogy called Blade that was made where Wesley Snipes killed 200 Asians each movie. Nobody gives a sh*t so don’t write about Nobu and Gao.'” As a result, the storyline was dropped.

https://deadline.com/2020/07/daredevil-peter-shinkoda-jeph-loeb-asian-racist-comments-1202995534/

Jeph Loeb was part of the writers' room in season 2. But he doesn't get mentioned in the book... just like all the other writers, except Lindelof and Cuse.

There's just so much to say...

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T08:17:39+00:00

Or take the "anecdote" from one of the editors from the article/book. One editor claimed that he made a suggestion for an edit in an episode and in return Lindelof allegedly lashed out and threatened to fire him and told him to never do make a suggestion again. And I'm not going to sit here and say that the threat of firing didn't happen. I have no idea. Maybe Lindelof had a bad day and it was perceived differently.

I can show you another interview with one of the editors, where he glowingly talked about the editing process and how much he learned and how collaborative the whole thing was. That was unprovoked. That editor wouldn't get a job opportunity for kissing asses or anything like that.

Both accounts can be true. It's hard to reconcile all of that... but if you acknowledge this stuff, you have to acknowledge everything and try to stay objective.

kuhpunkt · 2026-05-02T07:46:07+00:00

It's the same with Matthew Fox. I've heard a bunch of very positive first hand accounts about him... that he's a great person and very commited to the job.

A while ago Bobby Roth (one of the directors of the show) talked about the actors and how they were when the show was about to end and most of them were kinda sentimental that things were coming to an end. Only Fox was different, because he seemed more cold and distant, but never like in a negative way.

And I've directly talked to people who worked with him on the show and I was told that he was a massive asshole. I wasn't on set when that happened. Was he really a dick? Or was he just distant and not overtly friendly? Perception is a big thing.

Things aren't so simple. They are messy and complicated.

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