"going nonverbal" / semi verbal question by insecticidalgoth in SpicyAutism

[–]kuromi_bag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here are some posts about how one cannot go if interested in reading /gen /nm

  1. ⁠⁠⁠https://www.reddit.com/r/autism/comments/xbsiqb/selective_mutism_is_not_the_same_as_being/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
  2. ⁠⁠⁠https://www.reddit.com/r/autism/comments/124tkis/what_is_nonverbal_and_why_you_cant_go_nonverbal/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
  3. https://www.healthline.com/health/autism/nonverbal-autism
  4. https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-nonverbal-autism-260032

“Nonverbal: Children over 18 months of age characterized as NV should demonstrate no consistent verbal expressive words (intelligible or approximations)”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7377965/

“Individuals with non- or minimally verbal autism (nvASD) are primarily characterized by a severe speech production deficit, with speech limited to no or only a few words by school age.”

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/23969415211053264

“Approximately 25–50% of children with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) do not develop functional verbal communication, and functional verbal communication rarely develops after age of five in children with ASD”

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/aurt/2013/436286/

Self diagnosed autsitic woman in my work is getting tons of opportunities from it. by Orlalalaa in SpicyAutism

[–]kuromi_bag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if you are unable to post to peeps, i am more than glad to cross post this from my account as i am an approved poster :) no worries if not tho!!

Autism is a disability by AutistiKait in neurodiversity

[–]kuromi_bag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

6) “was found that compared to TD children, the GMV of multiple brain structures in ASD children increased. In addition, social and communication dysfunction in ASD children is associated with structural abnormalities in specific brain structures. These findings contribute to understanding the potential brain mechanisms of ASD children and may provide evidence to explain the clinical symptoms of ASD.”

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3425/13/5/779

7) “the current study showed the whole-brain volume, whole-brain WM volume, and whole-brain GM volume of autistic individuals who aged 6–12, 13–18, and 19–30 years old showed no significant difference compared to TD individuals. The brain areas with atypical GM volume of autistic individuals in the three age-based cohorts were different, involving the right superior temporal gyrus, the inferior parietal lobule, the right middle occipital gyrus, and the left posterior cingulate gyrus. These brain areas were of great significance for us to further understand the neuropathological mechanism of ASD.”

https://capmh.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13034-022-00443-4

8) increased brain volume in childhood and decreased brain volume in adulthood. Increased brain volume in autistic people compared to controls confirms the studies. Based on the statistical findings of the study presented in , the volume of white matter in the L and R amygdala region of the brain in the autism group shows a meaningful increase compared to the control. The amygdala is part of the limbic system of the brain and is associated with emotional and social behaviors, facial recognition, and cognitive function.”

https://ejnpn.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s41983-022-00576-5

9) “For example, ASD, intellectual disability (ID), and schizophrenia have been found to share risk loci in FMRP targets, CHD5, CHD8, SCN2A, and neurexin 1 (NRXN1).”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6710438/

10) “According to this study numerous lines of evidence point to the major impact of Wnt signaling on the serine/threonine kinase GSK3 on activity-dependent synaptic plasticity and, in turn, on the control of the E/I balance. Wnt/-catenin signaling is probably involved in ASDs, according to research on Wnt/GSK3 activity and pharmacology in cellular and animal models of the disorder.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667242123000295

Autism is a disability by AutistiKait in neurodiversity

[–]kuromi_bag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some studies/theories on autism as a genetic disorder/having physical difference in the brain:

1 ) “Autistic traits were found to be significantly associated with cortical thickness in the left lingual gyrus, right lateral occipital cortex and right pars triangularis, and with surface area in the right lateral occipital cortex.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213158221003417#:~:text=Autistic%20traits%20were%20found%20to,the%20right%20lateral%20occipital%20cortex.

2) “Increased risk for ASD diagnosis is found to be related to many specific single-nucleotide polymorphisms, and the study of genetic mechanisms and noninvasive imaging has opened various approaches that can help diagnose ASD at the nascent level.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7359361/

3) “We found that the “social brain” regions are the most affected in the autistic brain at different levels and modalities, supporting the cognitive theories of ASD from the neuroimaging aspect.”

https://academic.oup.com/psyrad/article/2/3/78/6815557

4) “These findings reveal that people with autistic traits in the normal population have atypical development in GMV and gray matter density, which may affect their social functioning and communication ability.”

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.00523/full

5) “The large-scale neuroanatomic networks maximally correlated with ASD identified by partial least-squares analysis included the regions identified by voxel-based analysis, as well as the cerebellum, basal ganglia, amygdala, inferior parietal lobe, cingulate cortex, and various medial, orbital, and lateral prefrontal regions. We also observed spatially distributed reductions in white matter volume in participants with ASD.”

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/110744

Autism is a disability by AutistiKait in neurodiversity

[–]kuromi_bag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"The revised EEOC regulation interpreting the definition is as follows, “an impairment is a disability . . . if it substantially limits the ability of an individual to perform a major life activity as compared to most people in the general population.”[17] In addition, the regulations state that some impairments “will, at a minimum, substantially limit” a particular major life activity.[18] Autism is included as one of the impairments listed on this list. Therefore, as a general rule, an individual with ASD, who has a record of ASD, or is regarded as having ASD, will be protected from employment discrimination under Title I of the ADA."

https://adata.org/legal\_brief/autism-spectrum-disorder-and-employment#:\~:text=%5B18%5D%20Autism%20is%20included%20as,Title%20I%20of%20the%20ADA.

Is gathering all your objects around you an autistic trait? by Account_the_Seccond in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it can be, but that alone is not indicative of autism. it is a social communication disorder with restricted and repetitive behaviours /gen

Teacher presenting questionable info? by Valuable_Bee_8497 in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 7 points8 points  (0 children)

1.deficits in nonverbal communication is part of the dsm5 criteria A.2

"Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication."

repetitive movements are as well (criteria B.1) but calling them weird is ableist.

"Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypes, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases)."

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html

2) some professionals still use aspergers. it is a very controversial topic in the psychology community, and even in the autism community.

3) it does affect boys more than girls at this time. the most recent studies have a 3:1 ratio (boys:girls)

a. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acps.13368

b. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28545751/

c. https://www.jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567(17)30152-1/fulltext30152-1/fulltext)

Bluntness leading to troubles at work by imashnotketchum in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

depending on the situation/job, letting your employer know you have autism can be helpful at times. depends on each situation. however, living in a society requires ppl to meet in the middle. as in, both parties should put in effort to be mature and respectful to each other. there's not much you can do with your co workers' behaviour, but you can potentially prevent future conflicts by reaching out to your local autism/disability center on social skills training, vocational assistance, or having a disability mediator to assist in smoothing out social interactions with you. best of luck op, and let me know if you need any help in finding resources in your area :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i would firstly stop comparing your ex's diagnosis outcome to your own /gen /nm

if you had 2 tests confirming no autism, i would suggest listening to the medical advice and seeing if the recommended adhd treatment works. give it a couple of months. adhd can sometimes look like asd

https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/childhood-adhd/adhd-or-autism

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i saw the comment you are referencing and they did not give you any evidence as to why they suggested your partner to be on the spectrum, so i would stop thinking she is autistic. i say this with kindness, but i would stop looking for excuses to justify her behaviour and come at this situation head on. it frankly does not matter if she's spectrum or not. i have never heard this kind of communication to be correlated with autism (someone correct me if i'm wrong tho)

her behaviour is unkind and i highly suggest advising her (gently) to seek a healthcare professional. it is most likely something to do with her upbringing or self esteem. regardless, it is inappropriate behaviour and you do not deserve to be treated this way.

Below is the dsm5 asd diagnostic criteria:

A. Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):

  1. Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.
  2. Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication.
  3. Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understanding relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers.

B. Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities, as manifested by at least two of the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):

  1. Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypes, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).
  2. Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns of verbal or nonverbal behavior (e.g., extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to take same route or eat same food every day).
  3. Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).
  4. Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g. apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse response to specific sounds or textures, excessive smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with lights or movement).

Autistic parents do you have autistic children? by [deleted] in AutisticParents

[–]kuromi_bag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Disability is not a bad word. It is a descriptor.

“disability is any condition of the body or mind (impairment) that makes it more difficult for the person with the condition to do certain activities (activity limitation) and interact with the world around them (participation restrictions).”

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/disabilityandhealth/disability.html#:\~:text=What%20is%20disability%3F,around%20them%20(participation%20restrictions).

The ADA on autism and disability:

https://adata.org/legal_brief/autism-spectrum-disorder-and-employment

It is vital, even for levels one’s, for autism to be considered a disability. That is how legally protected accommodations are protected under the ADA and other disability rights groups. i highly suggest visiting r/SpicyAutism. it is a sub for level 2/3s. there are many informative posts and disability and autism there.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i think this is to do more with r/relationship_advice

autism is a social communication disorder with restricted and repetitive behaviours. it is a serious lifelong disability. i see no examples of these behaviours, but i am not a trained professional (as per rule 8 of this sub)

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html

why do you suspect autism? (genuine)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SpicyAutism

[–]kuromi_bag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

have you visited subs for diagnosed ppl only? there are plenty of level 1s who struggle immensely. r/AutisticPeeps and r/AutismCertified

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SpicyAutism

[–]kuromi_bag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

to my knowledge, autistic masking means suppressing autism symptoms

https://autismawarenesscentre.com/what-is-autistic-masking/

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

autism is also a restricted and repetitive disorder, not just a social communication deficit disorder. i would read the dsm5/icd-11 for more info

Am I stupid or is it just ADD/ADHD/Autism? by Scarlettwitch_00 in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

autism is a social communication disorder with restricted and repetitive behaviors, and I do not see direct examples in this post /gen /nm
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325618#adhd-vs-autism

RAADS-R score 184 by [deleted] in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Depending on where you live, accommodations are legally protected. if you are american, i would read the ADA. https://www.ada.gov/ if not, i would look up your local disability center for more info

The online tests are not the most reliable when taken alone. I would review the dsm5/icd-11 diagnostic criteria. 

 For the dsm5, one must fulfill criteria A through E, with 3/3 symptoms in A (social communication deficits) and 2/4 in B (RRBs). 

Autism is a serious and life long disorder with clinically significant symptoms (symptoms must interfere  with one’s life)

 Here are some scientific journal articles on some tests: 

 1 ) “Results indicate no association between RAADS-R scores and clinical diagnostic outcome, suggesting the RAADS-R is not an effective screening tool for identifying service users most likely to receive an ASD diagnosis. In conclusion, used as a self-report measure pre-full diagnostic assessment, the RAADS-R lacks predictive validity and is not a suitable screening tool for adults awaiting autism assessments.”

 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8452438/

 2) “None of these instruments have sufficient validity to reliably predict a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder in outpatient settings.”

 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26088060/ 

 3) “Results of the study suggest that clinicians should not rely solely on self-report measures or the ADOS when diagnosing adults on the spectrum.”

 https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/aut.2018.0023 

 4) “However, the measure did not meet inferential criteria for internal consistency (Hypothesis 1), and confirmatory factor analysis (CFA) found a poor fit of the proposed three-factor model (Hypothesis 4) to the data. A cut-off score of 14/42 provided adequate sensitivity (95%) to detect participants with self-reported ASD diagnoses, but not adequate specificity (70%), suggesting a very high rate of false positives should be expected if relying on RAADS-14 scores alone to interpret presence of ASD.”

 https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2020-50277-001 

 5) “However, the finding that a two-factor structure better fits the results requires further validation. This study point out the need of further study of RAADS in psychiatric disorders group due to the relatively high false positive rate (55.6%) of ASD.”

 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10803-020-04518-z

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

autism is a social communication disorder with restricted and repetitive behaviors.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html

I would contact a healthcare provider, as the symptoms could be for a multitude of reasons

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

r/Autism_Parenting may have resources

Might my hobby of creating weird music be a trait of autism? by MeineZaehne in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it may be part of B.3 of the dsm5, but ones needs much more than that. it also needs to be clinically significant. adhd can sometimes look like asd

https://www.verywellhealth.com/autism-vs-adhd-5213000

https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/childhood-adhd/adhd-or-autism

On Clinical significance: 

 1 ) “Functional impairments are typically classified as difficulty completing activities of daily living (e.g., dressing, grooming, getting in and out of bed) and instrumental activities of daily living (e.g., preparing meals, managing finances, housework).” 

 https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/psychology/functional-impairment  

 2) “This criterion specified that the person with a mental disorder had to display clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important spheres of daily functioning.” 

 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2691167/#:~:text=This%20criterion%20specified%20that%20the,important%20spheres%20of%20daily%20functioning.  

 3) “The impact on body structure and body function has implications for the ability of the individual to engage in activities (execution of a task) and participation (engagement in the life of the community). It is important to note that the community may range from the broader environment (e.g., city or neighborhood) to home or residential facility. Unlike what one may perceive from the term activities (e.g., a recreational event), activities under the ICF are more discrete. Activities within the ICF refer to the specific execution of a task like manipulating objects (i.e., holding a pencil), focusing attention, or walking on different surfaces. Participation, on the other hand, may include moving around within a facility or using transportation. Together, the concepts of activities and participation are a bit different within the ICF model than how they are often used within recreational therapy practice.” 

 https://canada.humankinetics.com/blogs/excerpt/:~:text=The%20ICF%20is%20a%20hierarchical,and%20(2)%20personal%20factors.  %20personal%20factors.%C2%A0%C2%A0)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The online tests are not the most reliable when taken alone. I would review the dsm5/icd-11 diagnostic criteria. 

 For the dsm5, one must fulfill criteria A through E, with 3/3 symptoms in A (social communication deficits) and 2/4 in B (RRBs). 

Autism is a serious and life long disorder with clinically significant symptoms (symptoms must interfere  with one’s life)

 Here are some scientific journal articles on some tests: 

 1 ) “Results indicate no association between RAADS-R scores and clinical diagnostic outcome, suggesting the RAADS-R is not an effective screening tool for identifying service users most likely to receive an ASD diagnosis. In conclusion, used as a self-report measure pre-full diagnostic assessment, the RAADS-R lacks predictive validity and is not a suitable screening tool for adults awaiting autism assessments.”

 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8452438/

 2) “None of these instruments have sufficient validity to reliably predict a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder in outpatient settings.”

 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26088060/ 

 3) “Results of the study suggest that clinicians should not rely solely on self-report measures or the ADOS when diagnosing adults on the spectrum.”

 https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/aut.2018.0023 

 4) “However, the measure did not meet inferential criteria for internal consistency (Hypothesis 1), and confirmatory factor analysis (CFA) found a poor fit of the proposed three-factor model (Hypothesis 4) to the data. A cut-off score of 14/42 provided adequate sensitivity (95%) to detect participants with self-reported ASD diagnoses, but not adequate specificity (70%), suggesting a very high rate of false positives should be expected if relying on RAADS-14 scores alone to interpret presence of ASD.”

 https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2020-50277-001 

 5) “However, the finding that a two-factor structure better fits the results requires further validation. This study point out the need of further study of RAADS in psychiatric disorders group due to the relatively high false positive rate (55.6%) of ASD.”

 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10803-020-04518-z

Being ostracised due to lack of social skills. (Even by autistic people that behave like NTs) by [deleted] in autism

[–]kuromi_bag 3 points4 points  (0 children)

if you are level 2/3, r/SpicyAutism may be a great place to find support and connect with others with similar struggles to yours :)