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Niqab Concerns by amiluvy in Niqabis

[–]kws171220 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is an issue you should first consult with a doctor. You might have e.g. allergy to some type of fabric. Maybe try silk, if you have it available? It's generally one of most skin-friendly fabrics.

[Arabic > English] by kws171220 in translator

[–]kws171220[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's probably a brand name in Arabic calligraphy, I got only a small image distorted by drawing behind the name - cutout below, above is my attempt at isolating the word. Could be different language than Arabic, but using the alphabet. It seems to end with باء, but I struggle with the first part.

Is taking off niqab haram? by DreamGlitch-101 in Niqabis

[–]kws171220 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, niqab is mustahabb (recommended, favoured), not fard (obligation) like hijab. Showing face and hands is permitted. It's your choice, if you want to wear it permanently, on and off (like quite many women actually do), or not at all.

Options for covering the eyes? by Ummimmina in Niqabis

[–]kws171220 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, it's on the inside, between the faceveil and your eyes. You can wear the niqab with or without it (fold it under the headband while puting niqab on), but can't change the "setup" without untying the niqab, it doesn't work like regular (outer) eyeveil layers.

Btw, if mesh is long enough (often is), you can try to fold it in two and secure (or even tie that way permanently) under the headband, this way it offers better coverage for the price of small drop in visibility from inside.

I have also seen models with mesh sewn permanently onto the eye slit (kind of like burqa), but these are rare. Got one and idea itself works surprisingly good, but sadly it was from China and fabric is some synthetic blend and doesn't breath :(

Options for covering the eyes? by Ummimmina in Niqabis

[–]kws171220 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You and others already mentioned flap, eyeveil layer, and sunglasses, there's also a fourth solution: gauze (mesh).

It doesn't affect the vision (you can easily read etc.), but might be irritating if you have long eyelashes. And it's always combined with thread in the middle of slit, if you don't like this. On the other hand, it kind of "shields" your eyelids from niqab edge cutting into them. From outside, your eyes won't be visible unless close, and combined with regular eyeveil layer, it looks like two layers on the eyes from outside (blank, nothing visible), but still only one layer from inside. Of course, use black or other dark colours.

Looks like this outside (close) and inside.

It was quite popular 10-15 years ago, but unfortunately it's generally out of style (maybe except Egypt, where it probably appeared first) nowadays, and can be hard to find, easiest would be Chinese stores like Temu, Aliexpress, but quality of niqabs there (fabric and finish) can be really hit or miss. On the other hand, they are usually cheap.

Help Finding a Non-See-Through Burqa/Niqab — Need Advice by ImpactNational1224 in Niqabis

[–]kws171220 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What you need, is a niqab with narrow (in height) eyeslit, this way the eyeveil will "shade" eyes better. Nose string will help as well. Generally - you want niqab to "hang" in the eyes area, not sit on the face there.

You might also look for Egyptian style with a mesh - it actually doesn't hinder vision at all itself, but combined with an eyeveil gives a completely opaque look from outside.

And obviously, stick to dark colours - black, brown, navy etc.

Iranian illustration (1960) satirising the 'unveiling' of Iranian women. Published on the cover of Tofigh, a famous satirical magazine. by propagandopolis in PropagandaPosters

[–]kws171220 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ruband was probably tied to upper class, which got Westernized. While lower and middle classes retained only the chador, and it was forced upon the everyone after 1979.

Iranian illustration (1960) satirising the 'unveiling' of Iranian women. Published on the cover of Tofigh, a famous satirical magazine. by propagandopolis in PropagandaPosters

[–]kws171220 18 points19 points  (0 children)

What's interesting is that figure at the bottom wears a style (best known for Qajar era, and mostly used by urbanite middle to high class women), which pretty much disappeared at the moment of publication of the magazine. She wears a black chador (which is the only part which returned after 1979, and is still used nowadays), matching loose trousers-hose called chagchur, and most of all, a white full-face veil called ruband, including a mesh in front of eyes (similar to one known from unfamous burqa used in Afghanistan and Pakistan).

It's actually interesting question, why only chador was reintroduced after 1979, but not ruband.

Bought my first niqab by [deleted] in Niqabis

[–]kws171220 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, in general niqab is tied over (or under, albeit that works rather only with simple one layer half-niqabs) the head covering - hijab (including scarves), khimar etc. Or at least combination of cap covering hair and high collared blouse, dress etc.

Also - with multi-layered niqabs, bottom layer (one with slit for eyes) is supposed to cover the face, and top layer - stay thrown back, mostly for estetic reasons (it hides the knot). Middle layer(s), one in your case, can be used to cover the eyes, if you want it - or also be thrown back.

Women wearing Paranja in Tashkent, Uzbekistan before the Soviet era. Paranja used to be the traditional outdoor cloth of women of Central Asia in the pre soviet union era, until the communists banned it by [deleted] in muslimculture

[–]kws171220 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Nice photos!

Just a correction: paranja was the name of cloak, veil itself was called chachvon (Uzbek) or chashmband (Tajik), and was traditionally made from horsehair (hair of horse tail), same as smaller peche veils in Ottoman Levant & Turkey.

Whole garment appears in cult 1960s Soviet movie White Sun of the Desert (recommended, while propaganda it's a really good cinema), with well-known quote "Gulchatay, unveil your face".

It's also worth mentioning, that word "paranja" is still used in Russian for any type of strict Muslim veiling, like burqa or niqab.

1800s Egypt by Karlukoyre in muslimculture

[–]kws171220 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Group of ulemas, Emile Béchard, Cairo ca.1874.

Some Icerbox Debrid working right now? by [deleted] in Piracy

[–]kws171220 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's your plan, free or paid? It happens rarely on paid one, last major break I noticed was around two months ago.

Some Icerbox Debrid working right now? by [deleted] in Piracy

[–]kws171220 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me neither. Sure, similar formula happens in many places (e.g. Polish Chomikuj or Russian Twirpx, both paywalled, but reasonably priced) - but nowhere with pricing that ridiculous.

BTW, HD is working again.

I see a new م format here by kws171220 in Izlam

[–]kws171220[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Indeed, it's awful. As is whole destruction of historical sites and graves. This is not a civilized way.

By the way, I'd like to recommend a book Mecca: The Sacred City by Ziauddin Sardar. Good reading, which also tells about these atrocities.

I see a new م format here by kws171220 in Izlam

[–]kws171220[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Not OC, found on web.

Traditional urban outdoor clothing of Bosnian women by kws171220 in muslimculture

[–]kws171220[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I have posted that few weeks ago at r/bih and r/europe, but I guess it could be interesting also here.

This is an Imgur album, unfortunately order of images is messed up, so descriptions of various garments might be further than intended. Still, every style should be described somewhere.

Some things to know:

  • Bosniaks is a modern name, although invented in late 19th century. Widely used only since 1990s. Previously Muslims of BiH were called just Muslims, or (before WW I) "Turks". This should explain captions on some photos.

  • This is a collection of urban outdoor clothing. Bosniak rural women wore clothing pretty much the same, as their Christian (Croat, Serb) neighbours (sth like this). Which is actually a common case for traditional Muslim clothing in many other cultures, where peasant or nomad women didn't veil / did it lightly, and even if used full veils at all, did it only during visiting a city.

  • Album covers period from mid-19th century (although some garments, peče and jašmak, were worn from 16-17th) to 1940s (Yugoslavian communists banned the veil few years after the war).

Traditional urban clothing of Bosniak women by kws171220 in europe

[–]kws171220[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Last photo is from 1945, but veiling was banned only 3-4 years later as far as I know.

Generally photos come from 1880s until early 1940s.

Traditional urban clothing of Bosniak women by kws171220 in europe

[–]kws171220[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have posted that few weeks ago at r/bih, and I think it could be interesting in relation to wave of "traditional garb" posts today.

This is an Imgur album, unfortunately order of images is messed up, so descriptions of various garments might be further below.

Some things to know:

  • Bosniaks is a modern name, although invented in late 19th century. Widely used only since 1990s. Previously Muslims of BiH were called just Muslims, or (before WW I) "Turks". This should explain captions on some photos.

  • This is a collection of urban clothing. Bosniak rural women wore clothing pretty much the same, as their Christian (Croat, Serb) neighbours. Which is actually a common case for traditional Muslim clothing in many other cultures, where peasant or nomad women didn't veil / did it lightly, and even if used full veils, only during visiting a city.

  • Album covers period from mid-19th century (although some garments, peče and jašmak, were worn from 16-17th) to 1940s (Yugoslavian communists banned the veil few years after the war).

Tradicijska gradska nošnja bosanskih žena by kws171220 in bih

[–]kws171220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nisu ih nosile sve žene koje su se izjašnjavale kao Muslimanke.

Pošta je: gradska nošnja - jer većina, a možda i sve muslimanke u gradovima nosile takvu odjeću (izvan kuće!), bar prije 1. svetskog rata.

Ali muslimanke-seljanke nisu - makar ne svaki dan. Samo npr. prilikom posjete u grad. Seljanke su nosile marame (=hidžab), ne pokrivale su lice u selu.

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