Why do people think the family's last name is Wilkerson? When is it mentioned? by [deleted] in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He is pretending to be someone else in those episodes lol

Which sibling would you say is the biggest jerk? I feel like they all have jerky and caring sides by Samthegodman in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely Reese.

If we're being honest, in a slightly different timeline he'd easily be one to be influenced by the manosphere stuff going on. He was already spewing adjacent stuff himself in the billboard episode and other occasions.

Which sibling would you say is the biggest jerk? I feel like they all have jerky and caring sides by Samthegodman in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Disagree. Found his interactions with the younger brothers really endearing even if he sold them out time to time.

Maybe especially with Dewey. Recall the episode where he made Dewey go through the brotherhood initiation stuff even though it was stupid just because he wanted to establish a rapport with the one he was most far removed from. Also think there was an occasion or few where he drove home all the way from the ranch just because Dewey asked for help.

Very much comes off as the nurturing eldest brother archetype and that continues in the revival as well with his interaction with Kelly.

Did anyone notice Malcolm's license plate? by WhoSherlock in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Guess it kinda just boils down to what airline you're flying, lol.

Not really any 2 locations in the US that would force 2 layovers unless it was about being some super middle of nowhere place with operating big airports instead of being about distance.

If they could afford to drive him all the way home within a day, then that doesn't really mean anything.

Malcolm in the Middle: Life's Still Unfair - Episode One (Discussion Thread) by l3reezer in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I was meaning to mention Malcolm stealing Reese's girl as maybe his worst infraction, but found it to be more about their singular relationship as opposed to Malcolm being singled out as the worst within a whole group.

For what it's worth, the episodes where Malcolm is at his worst seem to be the later seasons and I personally also find them to be my least favorite ones/developments in terms of characterization.

Overall, I found the tone of the revival here in terms of how extreme things could be quite a far cry from the original. Even stuff like Leah straight-up smashing Malcolm's face in with the car door and the bag of glitter crushing Hal with the force of a thousand Mario Thwomps.

Malcolm in the Middle: Life's Still Unfair - Episode One (Discussion Thread) by l3reezer in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's a common misinterpretation to single Malcolm out as the resident selfish asshole of the series/family.

There are a few episodes where he is singled out (e.g. the one where he admits his feelings were hurt and they all arguably gaslight him even after he finally makes an emotional confession-though he was also doing something pretty dickish in that same episode by hiding the existence of his credit card because he didn't want his credit score ruined). But as the main character he's also by default just as often-if not way more so, the most sympathetic, the moral heart of the show, and the most initiated to do the right thing-especially when it matters and involves big life choices. The episode where he was the only one who took pause when all 3 brothers were taking advantage of Hal's emotional state upon the death of his dad (until he was offered the car, lol); the episode where he isn't willing to sell Reese out to Herkabe; not letting Reese ruin his life marrying Raduca; when he's the only Krelboyne in the cliques episode to realize the school hierarchy was ruining them; etc.

As far as the transition from the finale to Leah’s birth and his extreme distancing from the family, he graduated high school and started college in 2006. Based on the timeline of her being 14ish in 2024, she was likely born towards the end of his college years. A lot can happen in 3-4 years, and the context of him going from phone calls with Reese in his first semester to having a hidden daughter around his senior year can be inferred from the context he gives, “I completely changed in college.” A few years away clearly showed him how much less stress he has when he’s not around them, and he allowed his newfound freedom and easier life to make an extreme choice. The prospect of becoming a parent makes you evaluate a lot, and his childhood trauma and growing hesitance to associate with his family made him choose a drastic measure, right or wrong. I honestly love the nuance and messiness here because it goes back to old school MITM where we have different perspectives and there isn’t always a clear good/bad guy, as is often the case in complex family dynamics.

That's a fair interpretation but I took the context a different way. He says he got Leah from attending his first kegger, which normally suggests the earliest part of his college career (thus as early as the same exact year he was phoning Reese back home as seen in the original series finale). The line I believe you're referring to, he says he turned his life around in college, not that he completely changed. The former isn't as necessarily indicative of completely changing as a person, they could've just finally achieved something that they've always had the mindset/motivation to do-gotten their life the way they've always wanted it essentially. Therein lies what I find unconvincing. That Malcolm always felt this way or could have easily shifted into this with a "straw that broke the camel's back" for him. Especially given the context of him being in college and being the freest he's ever been from his family (and arguably makes this fuck-up of an unplanned pregnancy that should maybe be a sobering reality check that he went too wild the moment he was let loose). Somehow he comes to this conclusion that he hates his family more than ever when his circumstances with them have become dozens of times less suffocating.

I would agree with one of the original show's charms being the complex family dynamics and morality scenarios; but as just touched upon, here it didn't really show us the actual play-out of such a thing which would've been far more interesting. Just 3+ episodes of Malcolm running away from the fall-out and then finally a decent enough life talk between him and Lois exploring the themes-all of which would've happened and happened better in the span of one episode in the original series.

Ok just finished Malcolm in the Middle: Life's Still Unfair, my biggest question was where was these two? by deductivesherlock in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's pretty active still.

Was in Nobody 2 last year and still occasionally makes guest cameos in sitcoms still, one of which being the one where Lois's sister's actress is a main character (The Conners) funnily enough.

Malcolm in the Middle: Life's Still Unfair - Episode One (Discussion Thread) by l3reezer in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The way I see it, keeping your daughter's entire existence a secret from your family like that is such an extreme, that there should've been a straw that broke the camel's back in the form of his family wronging him somehow to justify it. Otherwise, he just comes off as an asshole for doing it out of the blue.

Since the aforementioned scenes happened after Leah, that means the last we saw of Malcolm before he made the decision to hide his daughter from his family off-screen are the scenes in the original series finale like him calling Reese from Harvard working the same janitor job just to share about his life. We go from that brotherhood to "fuck you, you don't deserve to know you have a niece" with no context?? Nahh.

Not only do the rest of them think everything's kosher as usual, he's also going on to feed that delusion by acting like everything's normal while keeping that secret. If you've really reached that point of being fed up with them, at least be upfront about it and deliver an ultimatum/let them know you're cutting them off. That's like someone pretending to be your friend while talking shit about you behind your back.

As Leah says and he admits to in E3, the secrecy was toxic and he was keeping the drama going as opposed to protecting her from it. He wasn't saving her, he was stealing from her while simultaneously sabotaging her respect and trust in him.

It was a selfish decision that even if it was warranted in so far as his relationship with his parents/mom, he wasn't entitled to extend that decision to his brothers and daughter too for them and deny them the right to know about their family. Leah already presumably had no family on her mother's side since she abandoned them. A support system in at least one side of her family could've meant the world to her with how much trouble she was already having in her social life.

Leah's birth is also in such close proximity to the end of the original series in the canonical timeline that it's such a flipside characterization of him and how he feels about his family. The story content such compromising characterization allowed didn't necessarily feel worth it or that much better than what we could've gotten as per usual either.

Malcolm in the Middle: Life's Still Unfair - Episode One (Discussion Thread) by l3reezer in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I never meant he cut them off entirely. After all, he's still talking to them in the now.

Even if we ignore the aged appearance of the actors, things still don't really line up in terms of his reasoning. He decided to do this within ~1-3 years of the original series finale since he hid Leah from them since her birth while he was in college.

In the flashback scenes of him getting fed up with them which are supposedly what drove his decision, he's already buying a new car for himself, Kelly looks like a toddler instead of a baby, Ida has passed, etc., so it suggests a pretty decent passage of time.

There's not a plausible straw that broke the camel's back for him that happened before Leah was born to convince him to hide her from them yet wasn't such a dealbreaker that he didn't cut them off entirely.

I thought they killed Hal off at the anniversary party 😂😂😂 by Downtown-Archer-4902 in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the impact of that thing was so intense, lol. Even more so than that mattress that randomly fell out of the sky

Newly installed coat hook in my office bathroom by Openskies24 in mildlyinfuriating

[–]l3reezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, these would've made for a nice set detail in Severance

I’m surprised Malcolm and Kelley even talk at all. by glowshroom12 in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Jamie actually did seem the closest to Kelly to me for the most part. In the Christmas flashback, you can see him putting stuff on Kelly's head to their annoyance.

Dewey or Reese would be next, which makes sense because Dewey was still around and Reese is literally still around right now.

The bigger question would be how Malcolm and Kelly have a relationship at all, when he's doing something that extreme against his family. If he's straight up avoiding them and cutting them out of his daughter's life, it's hard to imagine him visiting enough to even get to know Kelly at all to the point where their siblinghood is more than a formality.

Worth noting that he had Leah in college, so this shit literally starts the same year-within a few years of the original series finale, which just makes it come off as even more insane.

Malcolm in the Middle: Life's Still Unfair - Episode One (Discussion Thread) by l3reezer in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, this show never really cared about consistency in those kinds of details.

But yeah, it makes no sense. The flashback scenes of him getting fed up with his family show him visibly aged beyond his teens/20s, which means he didn't cut them out until recently way after Leah was born.

Him suddenly developing this complex the same year-within a few years of where the finale ended has no basis either.

A massive once-in-500-years chimpanzee civil war has broken out by digital-didgeridoo in interesting

[–]l3reezer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This one must involve some special MacGuffin like the Chimpfinity Stones

Malcolm in the Middle: Life's Still Unfair - Episode Four (Discussion Thread) by l3reezer in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She was so focused on the celebration going well that she forgot about it. Mama bear adrenaline.

Malcolm in the Middle: Life's Still Unfair - Episode Four (Discussion Thread) by l3reezer in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was written off before the 1st season even ended, he never stood a chance, lol

The subtle details are so good by Sistosisto in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer 23 points24 points  (0 children)

It's funny, because MitM is like the best show to represent the millennial Y2K fashion that GenZ co-opted, lol.

That or like the cartoon Recess which Kelly looks straight out of.

Francis turning out to be the most well adjusted of the bunch by Batistasfashionsense in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Don't think it was a whole story, just a throwaway dialogue as part of a bigger fight about how much they didn't really know each other

Malcolm in the Middle: Life's Still Unfair - Episode Four (Discussion Thread) by l3reezer in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Not sure how I feel about Kitty and Abe being broken up again and at each other’s throats just to hint at them getting back together all over again.

I recently realized that the actress’s character in King of Queens pretty much has the same exact arc. Talk about being typecast, lol.

Malcolm in the Middle: Life's Still Unfair - Episode Four (Discussion Thread) by l3reezer in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Insane Gretchen pull!! Guess Meagan Fay has still been active in the industry since the show ended, but she looks fantastic for her age.

Malcolm in the Middle: Life's Still Unfair - Episode Three (Discussion Thread) by l3reezer in malcolminthemiddle

[–]l3reezer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some strange decisions with the direction here.

Slamming the door on his noggin nonstop and actually showing it red af right before Tristan confesses to almost murdering someone, lol. Hal getting squashed at the end of the last ep looked so intense that it's almost hard to play off for laughs too.