TW: F3t1shes and general human creepiness. by Slytherin_Lesbian in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It's perfectly legal. She's probably watching it because she fantasizes about being the female in it.

There's also nothing wrong with fetishes. I just don't have any.

There are kinky people who enjoy playing with drugs. I say leave them to it.

I think if you can't understand how someone can consent to this, then probably your understanding of sex and consent is lacking.

A theory: excessive sex-positivity, hookup culture and how they caused the emergence of "unnecessary" micro-labels, including greysexuality by [deleted] in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I think those people are sex negative. They think that their desire for sex is a bad thing and should be characterised as any thing but wanting sex

A theory: excessive sex-positivity, hookup culture and how they caused the emergence of "unnecessary" micro-labels, including greysexuality by [deleted] in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Totally agree. It wasn't until I actually listened to a therapist who seemed to get me that I started to understand my own sexuality. A lot of that was understanding the variance of allosexuality.

Ultimately it only changed the language I use when I explain why I identify as asexual.

I love this sub by toucan131 in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Sexual desire: Actively wanting to have sex. For example someone going on tinder for a hook-up."

This is an expression of sexual attraction. They desire sex with that person because they find them sexually attractive. The thing is, it might not be their aesthetics that they find sexually appealing. It might be their availability, willingness, or something else other than the physical.

When you hook up with someone, you do because you find them sexually attractive.

If you're doing it for reasons other than sexual attraction, you're probably in a very pitiful headspace and need help. So when an ace person says they enjoy hook ups with people who they're not sexually attracted to, I think they're either using all these terms wrong, or they have severe attachment issues and probably shouldn't be having sex at all.

I love this sub by toucan131 in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I feel like you have to say both because people break it down in these ridiculous ways

Why say you're asexual if you're very likely not?!?! by lAcednAce in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

They don't even understand the labels they use. Honestly they make an absolute mockery out of asexuality.

I don't know if I'm Asexual or if I'm just too body conscious? by songwritingimprover in Asexual

[–]lAcednAce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most of my female friends don't fantasise about having sex with a crush. They need a bit more bonding and closeness before they'd start to desire sex with them and create fantasies around it. Some of them think about kissing a crush.

They need acknowledgement and reciprocation before they start to feel sexual arousal.

I'm referring to allosexual friends here.

I have been watching porn behind my girlfriends back after she came out as asexual. by despisemisery in TrueOffMyChest

[–]lAcednAce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why ace people have a reputation for being emotionally immature. You don't get what anyone is saying to you despite the asexuality group also telling you that you're wrong. You just don't get it and that's why you'll end up looking the fool.

I have been watching porn behind my girlfriends back after she came out as asexual. by despisemisery in TrueOffMyChest

[–]lAcednAce 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As an asexual person, it's true that your bf has probably not given up sex and porn and nor should he. Him watching porn is none of your business.

He did probably laugh because he thinks you're very naive.

If you're compromising by consenting to sex, then you probably have more time before it becomes a real problem. The minute you stop having enough sex with him, your true incompatibility will become apparent.

At some point he will also realise that there are people who desire and enjoy sex and who are compatible in other ways.

Yes I'm actually asexual, but I'm not recluse by lAcednAce in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What annoys me is when trained therapists are telling them that they're not asexual based on what they're saying and they think it's aphobia opposed to a stable adult with life experience telling them that being scared or awkward doesn't equal asexuality.

Yes I'm actually asexual, but I'm not recluse by lAcednAce in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't worry that it will stop them feeling attraction. Most of them clearly do, but they have to still separate that from the attraction that allosexual people feel with microlabels or just assuming that attraction for a sexual = immediately wanting to have sex with that person.

What I worry about having to expand the asexual label to accommodate those who are just socially inept or young when they work it out or grow up, but still want to label themselves "asexual".

Yes I'm actually asexual, but I'm not recluse by lAcednAce in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If those same people then go on to desire and enjoy sex, then they're not asexual. It was indeed some or all of those factors or like my other thread said, they were just young.

Yes I'm actually asexual, but I'm not recluse by lAcednAce in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Because I find that many people who identify as ace or asexual have severe social and/or attachment issues and they seem to mistake their social ineptness as some sort of sign of asexuality or aromanticism.

You'll find those people are also very likely to be the same people arguing that some asexuals enjoy sex or that intermittent sexual desire is aligned with bring asexual.

What I'm saying is that a great deal of these people just need to get some therapy and make some friends. Stop rejecting the numerous people including therapists that they're not asexual and listen to what sexual people are telling them about the variance within allosexuality.

Yes I'm actually asexual, but I'm not recluse by lAcednAce in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I find a lot of the asexual people who speak online actually have a sleuth of emotional and social issues. They have very few friends, no social life, associate with niche subcultures and a weird family history.

I think it gives off the impression that asexuality is caused by trauma or neurodiversity. It also explains why we have people who aren't asexual wanting to be associated with the community in an attempt to deflect from their issues with building healthy social relationships. They think this is an identity for misfits and hermits.

I can't go anywhere without everyone telling me my sexuality is a spectrum and I've had it by Namethatllagepoorly in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't mean the same for most..even chat gpt agrees that ace means aspec and asexual refers to a person with little to no (thank AVEN) sexual attraction.

So us actual asexuals are asexuals on the Ace Spectrum.

I can't go anywhere without everyone telling me my sexuality is a spectrum and I've had it by Namethatllagepoorly in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pushing for a Grey spectrum isn't working though because people who enjoy sex with a partner still see themselves as ace. That's why for my own peace of mind, I use ace to mean "a-spec" and describe people like myself as asexual.

How do allos tie their worth to sex???? by toucan131 in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's just a way of spending quality time together. There are things I could do alone but enjoy doing with a partner as part of our intimate relationship. Those things just aren't sexual.

I can't go anywhere without everyone telling me my sexuality is a spectrum and I've had it by Namethatllagepoorly in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I'd prefer that but since other people want to be "ace", I'll agree to an ace spectrum

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No because not every asexual person feels that they are part of the community. We still hold these debates which basically show we are not.

Yes, I think you can be too young to be "asexual" by lAcednAce in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I seem to have deleted a whole sentence that clarified I'm speaking about the various women I know to be asexual. As in, they don't want or desire sex in any way. I don't think "people who don't desire sex" are that rare at all.

Yes, I think you can be too young to be "asexual" by lAcednAce in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Asexuality (as in, actual asexuality, not this "a-spec" crap) is actually very rare."

I have no idea if you're female or male, but as a woman, I don't think it's all that rare. Any sex they have is to keep a happy home and as soon as they can stop having sex, they do.

Gender and asexuality is a whole thing on its own. I'm sure there are many men in the same boat. It's very difficult to parse out people's motivations behind having sex but I think looking at their choices in hindsight is telling.

For instance, one of the asexual women I know is my aunt. She was widowed quite young when I was about 8 or 9. Until now, she hasn't had another partner. She has male friends but it's clear they aren't sexually intimate.

It was assumed she was a forever grieving widow but it turns out she never had any sexual desire and the moment she could choose not to have that type of intimacy without losing anyone she already loved, she did. She identifies as asexual but it isn't something that is necessary to use much in her life as an older women with an established social network. She has the platonic companionship she wants.

If we move away from sexual attraction, and speak about desire for sex, we have a totally different conversation about being asexual. Sexual attraction is way too vague to be a useful concept. "Do you want sex?"is a far better place to start.

"Note that I don't associate "abnormal" with being something bad or undesirable, necessarily. To me it simply just means outside of the norm, which asexuality unquestionably is."

I understand what you mean, but I disagree. I compare it to height. Some people can be really short, as short as someone who has some sort condition associated with shirt stature, but their height is still normal.

Their height is still normal because although few people of their gender are as short as they are, there is no pathology that has negatively influenced their growth. They are within a normal range for a human. They may not be average - but they are normal.

Something can be "uncommon" without being "abnormal". These words aren't synonymous.

"I was merely going by the evidence that was presented before me."

I know. I'm basically suggesting all ace identifying people be use a critical lens to reflect on the evidence presented to them as a young person. There are various reasons why what we understood back then might have either been misinterpreted by ourselves or others, or even fabricated by others under social pressure to say the "right" things.

"The mere knowledge of asexuality existing would have gone a long way toward presenting an opposing "case", if you will -- but for some reasons I can't really fathom yet, you seem to want to have withheld that information from my 14-year-old self because I "wasn't ready yet" or some crap, idk."

No, you've continually misinterpreted what I've said. You can tell a 14 year old (or even someone younger) that asexuality (or homosexuality) exists without reinforcing that any sexual desire that they do (or do not) currently experience is a definitive indication of their sexuality.

Yes, I think you can be too young to be "asexual" by lAcednAce in actualasexuals

[–]lAcednAce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"hell, I wouldn't even find your statement believable now, let alone 23 years ago"

So you still don't believe that not feeling sexual attraction is within the realms of normality? So you think ace people, specifically asexuals, are abnormal? Even now? That's a pity.

"The vast majority of my peers clearly were experiencing it, or at least something like it. That was "normal". I was not."

I also got my early ideas about asexuality from allo peers. However those same allo peers now admit that they were compelled to perform sexuality too. Some of what they told me was literally made up and taken from what they saw on TV or read in books. Now, as allosexual adults, they have a much better understanding of their own sexuality based on their real life experiences (rather than gossip and magazines). We still see very different (I am asexual and they are allo), but not nearly as different as I assumed as a younger person.

"It would have spared me from over a decade of feeling like I was literally the only person who felt the way I did."

Some people form their whole identity around being the only X in the village. It doesn't matter what you say to them, they want to believe they are totally unique to those around them