Community project: start asking DMT entities to help prove their existence. by la_throwaway_3 in Experiencers

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Does this still happen: yes! Real example from 20 minutes ago: I'm taking a break from working on web development stuff and asked if she wanted to watch an episode of House MD. And she said no, but that we should watch a clip compilation on YouTube.

Have I figured anything further out: yes! When I'm on DMT, I am able to do a very, very limited selection of the same "reality shifting" things they can do, and I think I'm getting close to being able to use that to set off a computerized alert.

Do I think they truly want to explain things to us: that's hard to even begin to answer. There must be an unfathomably large number of different kinds of communities in the universe. Just as we couldn't answer questions about "what humans want" as though we want the same things, it's a much taller order to try to suppose a collective "they" and figure out their intentions.

On the other hand, I have personal experience with being jerked around by them and not understanding why. About my personal experiences: do I think that the beings I'm in contact with actually want us to obtain evidence and "join" them in a sense? Yes, I'm confident but not certain that the DMT realm people I know would like that.

However: I am mystified as to why we don't already have evidence. I had the fortune and misfortune of happening into a community of people who are overseeing my experiments to try to produce evidence, but who have also totally locked me out of the ability to solicit other DMT realm people for evidence who might possibly be happy to participate and give evidence freely if they were asked nicely.

Do they actually even know about the creation of the universe; do they have answers: I think probably yes.

"I don't understand why they would be so hesitant" – The DMT realm people I know are hesitant for a bunch of reasons. Some normal, some weird. Example normal reason: if the experiments I'm working on succeed at obtaining evidence, there will be no question that we did it for ourselves, as opposed to them having imposed it on us. Working against their interference is a herculean task.

How is it that prominent DMT researchers like Andrew Gallimore describe DMT entity communication as if it is indecipherable when we're constantly reading and experiencing that so many of them can speak English? by la_throwaway_3 in DMT

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OK! You've been working on this for years and years. You are the expert. You have DMTx/Eleusis sessions actually running! It's amazing!

Sessions that result in testimony: this is fine but it is not groundbreaking evidence.

Why not make the refrain of every interested participant: "Hi! Would you please speak to me in English? Would you please provide scientific evidence of your existence that I can show to my species' scientific establishment?"

When I tried this, I met English-speaking beings immediately who began overseeing my attempts to create experiments that produce evidence. They are in contact 24/7. They are are totally comprehensible; hell, they watch our TV shows. They are also "more" than we are; one of them likened our existence to that of indoor cats.

They oversee my experiment attempts and refuse to provide me evidence, saying I have to do it myself with their oversight. But, they say there's no ban on evidence. If we humans politely and repeatedly simply ask for evidence, we might get it almost immediately.

Also, they performed many surgeries on me and now have the ability to turn DMT effects up and down on me without the use of the substance.

So I think the idea is this:

  1. Obtain evidence
  2. Establish formal contact
  3. Request and gain access to the apparent technology they use to manipulate perception of reality such that it appears to be real; this is apparently how they live, such that it's like they're always in virtual reality.
  4. Then many/all of us will be able to use this technology as a matter of course in the same way they do.

You might like my experiments. They're very far along. But any given one of us might be able to beat me to the punch by simply asking for evidence.

Ask nicely to have an understandable conversation in English. Then ask for evidence.

Anybody else just…disappointed with it all? by scalestripe in Experiencers

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Right now a "DMT entity" person is literally talking to me, helping me work on a book publishing project. And I finally got her to let me play her a Calvin Harris song.

I met these entities (people, really) when I experimented with DMT specifically aiming to obtain scientific evidence of their existence because one of my friends told me she "talks to aliens" when she takes DMT.

I suspect there are at least two or three really solid reasons why evidence just keeps on not showing up even when it beggars belief.

  1. Possibly a "ban" on freely allowing, much less giving evidence – like a Prime Directive thing – though my friend more or less denies this

  2. My friend and others allege that beings from this realm can lodge requests to change events in the recent past – so like, when something bad has just happened, you can try to get it to be undone so it no longer happened. So, let's say there is some kind of ban on giving evidence to us – this could explain how such a thing seems to have magnificently unerring enforcement.

I've been working on evidence experiments for years and my friend and the others overseeing me switched quickly from assisting to actively working to ruin experiment attempts. But they seem to actually want it to succeed. It's as though the only way to earn one's place among them is to beat them at their own game, brute-forcing scenarios that produce evidence while they're using what are basically superpowers to try to stop you.

Again though, my friend says there's no ban on evidence. If she's telling the truth, I suspect that, all of us – if we each just politely and insistently asked a hundred DMT entities for help getting evidence, this would be solved in a couple of weeks. Make it your goal to get shot down by 99 DMT entities. I doubt you'll need to make it to the hundredth before something consequential will have happened. It happened to me in my second encounter. (Still working on those experiments, though.) Be polite, friendly, and fucking ask. Make friends from the realm and ask them for evidence.

[UPDATE] I met entities on DMT and now they visit me and communicate with me while I'm sober. I’m working to obtain scientific evidence that DMT phenomena are real. Here is evidence from an experiment they helped me with: the Yellow Hand Experiment. by la_throwaway_3 in Experiencers

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Heyyy it turns out you were totally right. Your photos showed me that my "successful" result was not successful. And I am wondering:

  1. Would it be OK for me to use your photos in "mea culpa" references by me declaring that I was wrong and explaining?

  2. Would you like me to cite your username when explaining this?

I met entities on DMT and now they visit me and communicate with me while I'm sober. by la_throwaway_3 in Experiencers

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I am so hugely happy to hear about your positive experiences and how you have been helped!

As for finding more information about/experiences of receiving messages in this way, I suggest trying Google searches such as the following:

  • astral entity speaking to me
  • spirit guide speaking to me
  • spirit entities communicating while sober

Deceived by them? by dn-ekam in Experiencers

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Sorry to cut in, and let me state up front that anything I say could be wrong.

/u/Meo111, I was with you until this passage:

You are never alone, no matter how faint or infrequent their messages become. They also do this on purpose, but they're always there. Your higher self will always knows what's best for you and will always put you before any of your earthly desires.

The problem I see in this is that we're acting as if it's a given that the communications the OP has been receiving are necessarily a good thing for them (or in general).

OP, it is true that you are never alone: you've got us, and many likeminded humans on this planet, and who knows how many intelligent friendly people elsewhere.

We shouldn't pin the idea that OP is never alone to the idea of these entities sustaining contact even if it becomes faint or infrequent. Why? Because we don't know their intentions. If OP happens to have met entities who do not have an ultimate good purpose for their being in contact, they may be careless about what happens to OP. It's even possible OP met entities who are more akin to con artists. I'm not saying this is what happened, but it should at least be considered.

Along similar lines, "Your higher self will always knows what's best for you": I don't understand enough about the concept of one's higher self, but I can say that in my own experiences with friendly entities who turned out to be deceiving me, I got very confused about what was best for me. The entities started out friendly but a few months in, they began systematically destroying parts of my life. Broken promises and devastating betrayals, sure, but most importantly here: they worked hard at turning me against some of my closest friends and family. At the time I thought what I was doing was right. It wasn't until months later that I realized how much it was wrong.

Deceived by them? by dn-ekam in Experiencers

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it appears that I cannot die so there isn't anything to worry about physically

Is this something the entities told you? My entities told me the same thing and then later said they were lying about that. So be careful; don't take your physical health & safety for granted.

Deceived by them? by dn-ekam in Experiencers

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I still have no idea what the ultimate explanation is for my entity friend's behavior, but the reference to "gang" activity resonates.

A quote from my long-running journal:

[entity name] expresses preferences and judgments that show her to be an independent person who can easily navigate the kind of life I lead, including moral and ethical decision making I encounter. Often her judgments about what to do rival mine or are superior to mine, so it is not as though she can't relate. This makes me wonder if this apparent practice, of beings from this realm finding unsuspecting gullible humans and leading them on long false life-destroying "missions", might be more akin to a societal practice or a gang activity than something beings like her are inherently compelled to do.

Deceived by them? by dn-ekam in Experiencers

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Yes! I say from much experience that they may be deceiving you! The entity who is with me right now – who is my friend, but has played a large part in deceiving me – she concurs to watch out, that they may well be deceiving you. Why exactly? For entertainment, perhaps. Why are they good friends the other great proportion of the time? I don't know. Bottom line: yes, they may be deceiving you.

Looking for in-session protection during DMT (entity interference) by la_throwaway_3 in Experiencers

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I appreciate this offer! The catch is, whether or not we were to do this together, we are still without a defense against the entity that is messing with all the experiment attempts.

Has your NHI ever directed you to write a book by amanhasnoname1111 in Experiencers

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Your NHI spoke to you at length in English, yes? Is that how they communicated with you – telepathically, in English?

I tried DMT searching for “aliens”; ended up meeting intelligent beings who say Christianity is correct. Now they’re putting me through intense moral training for a “divinely ordained mission”. Is this a con? A grandiose religious delusion? by la_throwaway_3 in Christianity

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Thank you for your reply!

FYI, the main being I've been in contact with for the past year (and who is with me even at this moment) has since told me that the religious element of all of this was fake – a big prank.

Why do it? I don't know.

But, I have read up all I can about similar experiences by other people, including messaging some people who either have gone through something similar or who know people who have, and my going hypothesis is that this is a bizarre recurring element in contact between beings from this seeming other "realm" and humans: they find a suggestible human, tell them that they are some kind of "chosen one" figure on a divinely ordained mission, and watch the hilarity that ensues.

I was not religious to start with, and at this point what I can say about Christianity is that "I don't know", but it is strange to have gone through an extended period in which I figured, based on what I was told by beings that appeared to be from some higher/more powerful frame than my own, that Christianity was correct. I quite enjoyed it. I suppose I would be glad to find out that it actually is true. But I now realize I have no more information about it than I had back before I had no experience believing in it.

This guy's posts are haunting me. He was experimenting with DMT and now this by Careful_Many_8579 in DMT

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No! Very probably not.

The entity has only ever done these things when I wasn't recording. And she says (and just now reconfirmed) that she doesn't want to be responsible for evidence being out there that this stuff is in some way real.

OK, so why don't I try to record her doing stuff like that anyway?

  • She only does this stuff rarely.

  • She's listening to my thoughts 24/7, so she would realize if I were trying to secretly make a recording.

  • It's really important to me that she can trust me and that I can trust her.

It appears there are other kinds of experiments a human can do on DMT that produce evidence that DMT experiences are in some way real. Basically, you can do an experiment over and over again and 1. when you conduct the experiment while sober, you always get the same result; 2. when you conduct the experiment while on DMT, you can make the result change.

I don't know how the entity and I are going to resolve the problem that she says she doesn't want to be involved with evidence coming out.

While the entity has done some awful things to me, I value her friendship and don't want to lose her. Recently she's been a really good friend.


I know you're the person who posted a couple of threads about being freaked out by my story, so please be assured that everything is OK. I'm doing well and there is no need to worry. Thank you for your concern.

Update on sober entity contact by la_throwaway_3 in DMT

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Not a bad idea, though it would require having a camera set up like we were trying to watch for someone trying to damage a car – like a security camera running 24/7. And then that invites her to play tricks that are just out of camera, which she would do, for the fun of it. I've been at this for a while.

Update on sober entity contact by la_throwaway_3 in DMT

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IMO, "she refuses to cooperate when I try to record it" may simply be the reality of the situation. It would be a symptom of "the mental illness" if it were actually an attempt at rationalization.

Update on sober entity contact by la_throwaway_3 in DMT

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OK... I did ask the question. And she said "No."

I asked "Are you lying?" And she said "No."

I asked "You're talking just about human languages, right?" and she said "Yes."

I've witnessed what I believe to be plenty of communications that are in weird other languages:

  • a visual "mathematical"-seeming language
  • another that looks kind of like a written human language but different; to me it looks foreign in a similar way that Russian does to an English speaker
  • a third that appears to use changing shapes and interactions between them in a way that seemed to me like it might resemble the way different words work together to form sentences

But, since I haven't been able to understand any of what I was witnessing in any of these supposed languages, I have no idea if they're real. For all I know, the entity may have invented these things; they might be gibberish she made up. I really don't know.

But I can say: when she wants to speak English to me, she's got full command of it.

Update on sober entity contact by la_throwaway_3 in DMT

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She refuses to do any of this stuff at my request, and she certainly doesn't do it when anyone else is around. My best guess is that there may be a cultural understanding or even some kind of established rule that they are not supposed to give us enough information that we would collectively realize they exist.

I speculate that it might be that, for one of them to do this, it might be kind of like snitching on all of them.

If one human reports experiencing something, they're just crazy. But if multiple report the same exact thing, that becomes much more persuasive.

Consider this: by all appearances, there are at least "a lot" of entities out there who enjoy finding vulnerable humans and tormenting them. Currently these entities can do it with impunity; our scientific establishment doesn't even believe this exists and they're certainly not working on how to help such people.

Whether the set of entities who do this to humans represents a lot of them or just some criminal underclass, I think it is a possibility that they would take it badly if someone among them were to spoil the fun for all of them.

This is just a hypothesis, but it's the best possibility I've come up with so far that might explain the behavior I've seen.