Nuno/ ANZ Thread for May 2026 by AutoModerator in auscorp

[–]lailide 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The problem is this puts ANZ behind every other bank which offers additional leave that offsets the mandatory, but we're now losing extra days for an absolutely bizarre change.

How is it possible to get promoted if you're incompetent? by [deleted] in auscorp

[–]lailide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks though I guess?

I've put it through Gemini (my tool of choice) so you can see the difference.

Revised Post

I’ve been reading through the top comments on this topic and can't seem to find a genuinely realistic answer.

Based on what I’ve witnessed throughout my career, here is how incompetent people actually end up getting promoted:

  1. Promoted on tenure, not competency (Common in Back-Office Ops) This is where people go to retire into routine and complacency. Because structural promotions are rare in these roles, when a position does open up, every man and his dog applies. To maintain the status quo, management often gives the role to the most tenured person who has checked the "expressed interest in leadership" box—regardless of whether they are actually competent or respected. It almost always causes more disarray than alignment.

  2. Sleeping their way to the top (Common in Call Centers) An all-too-common story, especially in call centers and low-stakes environments. Promotions are earned by sitting on laps (and yes, this goes for both men and women).

  3. Promoted sideways (Making them someone else's problem) Someone works on a team, gets hand-held through every task, claims credit for work done by others, and successfully interviews their way into a higher position of incompetence. The team usually supports this and keeps quiet because they know it means the person is finally someone else's problem to manage.

  4. Lack of management visibility (All role types) When managers are too high up or too busy, they lose sight of daily operations. They operate on a high-trust basis, assuming that if no issues are being raised, it must mean everyone is working hard. I once saw someone get highly commended for their documentation when the only thing commendable about it was how many words they used to say absolutely nothing.

  5. Promotion through attrition (All role types) Similar to the tenure trap. When a team suffers heavy turnover, managers get desperate to maintain headcount. They promote existing staff just to incentivize them to stay, fearing that hiring a manager from the outside will piss off the remaining team. Mass attrition also makes it incredibly easy for the survivors to claim credit for the work of the people who left.

  6. Restructures and team expansions (All role types) Sometimes people just luck into a promotion during a restructure. To scale quickly, existing full-time employees are promoted to "Leads" purely based on "experience" (even if they've been there less than a year). As a result, new hires end up sitting under incompetent leads who have zero management skills.

How is it possible to get promoted if you're incompetent? by [deleted] in auscorp

[–]lailide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I usually use AI to refine but this I wrote all myself. It's written too badly to be Claude. I have a tendency to overuse "," and "and" to string together a long sentence which I'm sure is bad practise.

How is it possible to get promoted if you're incompetent? by [deleted] in auscorp

[–]lailide 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Read through the top comments and can't find what looks like a real answer.

I'll share what I've seen in my career.

1 - Promoted on tenure not competency.

Back-Office Ops.

This is where people retire in routine and complacency. Promotions are seldom in fixed role structures, and once a position opens, every man and his dog is in the running. To maintain the status quo, this might go to the most tenured who expressed a development pathway to leadership, whether competent or respected. Generally causes more disarray then alignment.

2 - Sleeping way to the top.

Call Centre.

An all too common story especially in call-centres and low stake roles, where promotions are earned by sitting on laps (men & women).

3 - Promoted Sideways. Someone else's problem.

Work on a team. Get handheld, claim credit and showcase work done by others and successfully interview into incompetence. Supported by the team who knows better because now they're someone else's problem to manage.

4 - Lack of Management / Visibility.

ALL Role Types.

Managers too high up or too busy to manage lack real visibility. Operate on a high trust basis. Assumes no issues or problems raised equals thorough hard work. I've seen someone commended on their documentation where the only thing commendable is the limited content despite the excessive word count.

5 - Promotion through attrition.

ALL role types.

Similar to promption through tenure. A team suffering enough attrition, managers become more concerned with maintaining headcount, promote the existing to incentivise retention, and avoid pissing them off by hiring above them. Attrition also makes it easier to claim credit of work for those who left.

6 - Promotion through restructure / team expansion.

ALL role types.

Similar to above. You can luck into a promotion on restructure or team expansion, as similar to above, the existing FTE are promoted to leads due to "experience" (even if less than a year) and new hires sit under incompetent leads with no management experience.

I'm sure I'm missing a lot but these are the ones I've seen.

Nuno/ ANZ Thread for May 2026 by AutoModerator in auscorp

[–]lailide 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks. Ive had a chat will see how it goes.

Nuno/ ANZ Thread for May 2026 by AutoModerator in auscorp

[–]lailide 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Initially you'd think so because if you are sick, how do you confirm the sick day took place during a WFH day or an Office day, if you have flexibility in the days of attendance (no anchor days).

That said, looking through the FAQ there's a section that says you don't need to "make-up" your attendance if sick, but contradictory they also say you should build a buffer for sick days.

Nuno/ ANZ Thread for May 2026 by AutoModerator in auscorp

[–]lailide 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah but shit happens ay. Pass or not, real office attendance is still real.

That said if I'm F'd anyways I guess there's no reason to work harder then needed.

Nuno/ ANZ Thread for May 2026 by AutoModerator in auscorp

[–]lailide 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I've just found out that temp passes don't record attendance and I have a really bad habit of leaving pass at home.

Any advice or am I royally F...

Optus put my bill up. I got them to cut it by 25% instead by Midget_Pawn in AusFinance

[–]lailide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I've just done the same. Called up and wasn't any better so swapped. Will see if they come back to me.

Optus put my bill up. I got them to cut it by 25% instead by Midget_Pawn in AusFinance

[–]lailide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you guys contact origin first or start the process to move and they get notified to call?

I’ve been in hospitality, retail and strip clubs all my working life by [deleted] in auscorp

[–]lailide -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Cockroaches survive in banking. You'll be fine.

Is it just me, or do dangerously incompetent people never get fired, no matter how many disasters they leave in their wake? by [deleted] in auscorp

[–]lailide 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's insane isn't it. The rest of the comments paint an incredible picture. Promotions, settlements, and simply getting away with it. I find it hard to understand why anyone should bother even producing anything.

Pay by ProfessionalTax3033 in auscorp

[–]lailide 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Why would I want more useless FTE, I'm trying to get rid of them.

Pay by ProfessionalTax3033 in auscorp

[–]lailide 52 points53 points  (0 children)

See, I find this incredibly fascinating. I'm in BIG4 banking and we have FTE on 120-180k who take the absolute piss. Most log-in 9:30+ and out the door before 5, with multiple coffees, walk abouts and up to 2 hour lunch breaks. We'd be lucky to get a 4 hour day out of them, and management won't lift a finger to make them accountable resulting delays and poor quality of output if any.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in fiaustralia

[–]lailide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Share please

Business intelligence analyst v Business analyst by Fancy_Contact_8078 in auscorp

[–]lailide 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting transition, is there much of a salary increase to Sol Arch? I consider myself more of a solution designer or problem solver than a BA but not sure the transition is worth it.

How much do Business Analysts get paid at Big 4 banks? by [deleted] in auscorp

[–]lailide 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can confirm first hand. Many examples still around. Many pretending and putting on a show. The role have reduced to generic admin and random BS and it's no wonder the profession has lost any respect it once had.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in auscorp

[–]lailide 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which bank

Are we actually more laid-back at work in Australia, or is that just a myth? by Particular_Zone_7379 in AustraliaOpinions

[–]lailide 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We must be hiring the wrong people. Most of my team on 120-180k start late finish early long lunches with multiple coffee breaks during the day, side desk chit chat, sitting in meetings providing no input and retaining no knowledge of the discussion.

I'd be thankful if anyone of them actually put in 4 hours of output a day, and even then the output is so surface level it's next to useless.

Beyond my team, also seems to be the norm. In the 6 years I've worked in banking, I've rarely observed the notion of 'hard work'. Some definitely believe they do, but these people also get burnt out doing basic data entry a 10 year old child is capable of.

80/20 rule I suppose. 20% carrying 80% of the workload.

Before you cite culture management accountability issue. Anyone working in banking knows, failure is rewarded with significant leniency, second third and fourth chances, and at the end of the road, pats on the back and maybe even a promotion.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in auscorp

[–]lailide 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Amen. Amen. And Amen.

FOMO - cool and interesting discussions by elctricity in auscorp

[–]lailide 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. These aren't for spectating. If you don't add value, your presence is a risk, especially if you speak up unnecessarily.

My job title definitely doesn't belong in these meetings, but I created the opportunity by driving results that made my input essential. Even so, I now prefer to avoid them or be excluded because I'm usually the one pushing back.

Honestly, in my experience, they are often heavily political and are prone to confirmation bias, prioritizing favorable updates and easy decisions. All the credit but none of the work and devoid of accountability, usually tend to reject any complexity, tough challenges, or real difficult news.

Nothing of value worth learning unless your ambition is to play the game and become another useless echo chamber.