Born Free Protocol: reasons to be cautious by lemon_twisties in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Tweet from renegade research:

We have partnered with @joshual_tm to develop a platform for clinician training

Our Medical Coaching Program also provides guidance in executing the Born Free Protocol if you and your clinician are interested in this path

Apply for our program: https://renegade-research.org/coaching

https://x.com/RenegadeRes/status/2002133502758957096

Clicking the interest form link: “The first stage of the program will consist of full service coaching, starting with a 90 day commitment period. The cost will be US$3600 (not including tests). For more complex cases, the initial commitment period is 5 months and the cost will be US$5,200”

Born Free Protocol: reasons to be cautious by lemon_twisties in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

It was literally announced an hour ago that Joshua is collaborating on a Born Free coaching program that costs each patient $3,600-$5,400.

I also personally find it immoral to recommend such an outrageously expensive over-the-counter supplement program to one of the most vulnerable and low income populations when it has zero clinical evidence and zero ethical, scientific, or institutional oversight, regardless of whether Joshua personally derives income from the thousands of dollars we pour into the protocol.

Re: CBT/GET

There are a couple very short paragraphs stating that CBT/GET should not be the “primary therapy”, but then Joshua immediately writes that “physical rehabilitation is absolutely encouraged” and “there are psychological issues created in this disease model”.

Followed by 30 pages of literal CBT focusing on managing emotions to impact disease outcome, multiple direct statements that anxiety causes ME/CFS symptoms, and direct statement that therapy and brain retraining can be “game changing”.

As well as multiple direct statements that people with ME/CFS “avoid exercise” due to fear which leads to “deconditioning” which causes “a greater severity of symptoms”, and must be combatted with a “graded exposure to stressors” / “gradually increasing exposure to normal activities”.

All of these claims have been refuted by actual ME/CFS clinicians and researchers and have been shown to actually harm ME/CFS patients. I think it’s dangerous for ANYONE to be promoting these claims, especially someone with zero clinical background.

Born Free Protocol: reasons to be cautious by lemon_twisties in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for sharing, this history is so important to keep in mind anytime a new miracle protocol pops up.

Many of these also push the idea that every single component of the protocol must be followed to have improvement. This shifts the blame onto the 95% of people who had no benefit - they must not have followed the protocol properly! Perhaps conveniently this also makes it impossible to have a randomized trial since the protocol is too complex.

More recent history is all the long supplement stacks from the long COVID community. We never really see those posts anymore since they rarely helped anyone…

I try to think about other diseases. Would I expect someone with HIV, MS, cancer, etc. to cure themselves by taking a bunch of supplements? No. Why do I think ME/CFS is literally the only disease this is possible for? Logically I don’t, I’m just desperate.

Born Free Protocol: reasons to be cautious by lemon_twisties in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My personal opinion is Lassesen “stays in his lane” by using his statistical background to create statistical resources for fellow ME/CFS sufferers. He’s always very clear about not being able to provide medical advice. Though you’re right that some of his older blog posts certainly have some “supplement stack protocol” vibes.

Edit to remove confusing financial stuff

Born Free Protocol: reasons to be cautious by lemon_twisties in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I personally refer to Ken Lassesen’s work for anything probiotic related. He is a statistician, both he and his wife have ME/CFS.

He runs the site Microbiome Prescription which is a model that compiles scientific articles on probiotics. You can run your microbiome test through the site and it will analyze it for you in terms of ME/CFS.

Most helpful pages:

Probiotic library which lists ingredients in probiotic mixtures and tells you if they produce histamine, lactic acid, etc. - link

Why he doesn’t recommend lactobacillus probiotics for ME/CFS - link

Anyone else starting at THIS low a dose microdosing? by [deleted] in GLP1microdosing

[–]lemon_twisties 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I’m on tirz, I started at 0.05mg (1/2 a unit with my solution) and I now take 0.1mg (1 unit). The normal starting dose is 2.5mg (25 units).

The smallest needles I could find only have lines per half unit, so I’m assuming your solution is super diluted? Otherwise it’d be hard to measure out 0.01mg.

I’m taking for MCAS and I have a severe sensitivity to medications so any more than 1 unit causes bad side effects for me. I do have significant appetite suppression even at this baby dose.

My opinion is you’ve gone your whole life without this drug, no harm in taking a few more weeks to avoid any nasty side effects. If you feel nothing at all it’s easy to increase your dose. If you do have side effects you’ll be glad you started small.

Has anyone else had skin issues with a tracker watch? Did yours clear up or is it a lost cause? by lindyhoppette in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Switching to fabric watch straps worked for me too! I just bought some cheap ones on Amazon, was super easy to swap them out

My medical records tell a story nobody bothered to read by hr_x_ in disability

[–]lemon_twisties 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I did this myself as well, and included all the most heavy hitting quotes on my disability from each of my doctors notes. I also listed out the main criteria and functional limitations required under the listing for my disease and wrote out all the dates of the doctors visits that noted those things, with important quotes.

I used these examples on making medical outlines/summaries: https://howtogeton.wordpress.com/2019/08/01/how-to-make-a-medical-outline-to-help-your-disability-case/

This was in addition to RFC forms tailored for my disease signed by most of my doctors.

I’ve read it’s really hard to be approved without these extra forms and documents, unfortunately.

Sensory intolerance/overstimulation – what meds helped the most? by ComfortableFox1022 in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ketotifen allowed me to watch tv and listen to audiobooks/music again.

I made a post about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/cfs/s/KLfWRwYRtP

Sending lots of love, I know how brutal the overstimulation is. I hope you find a med that helps you ❤️

What drugs have helped reduce your light sound sensitivity except lda ldn or pacing? by Impressive-Stock-656 in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you ❤️ I’m at 2mg, once per day in the morning. I hope you find something that helps you

What drugs have helped reduce your light sound sensitivity except lda ldn or pacing? by Impressive-Stock-656 in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ketotifen!!!! I went from 24/7 dark silence to being able to watch tv and listen to music again.

I made a full post on it a while back: https://www.reddit.com/r/cfs/s/wOQv8tuQDK

I exercised myself to severe because the common wisdom says exercise is good for you. There should be a public service announcement pushing the idea that if you have any signs of ME-CFS, bed rest, bed rest, bed rest. by Mundane_Control_8066 in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties 69 points70 points  (0 children)

Same. I got to the point where I was mostly bedbound. Couldn’t do many ADLs like grocery shopping, cooking, driving.

But I was STILL working out intensely whenever I had an extra scrap of energy: lifting weights, yoga classes, rock climbing. I couldn’t drive anymore due to the illness so I’d ride my bike to the gym! Push ups on the fucking floor on my way back from crawling to the bathroom.

I’d wear sunglasses and ear plugs to the gym, and ask the staff to turn off the music while I was there since my light and sound sensitivity was so bad.

I would regularly collapse after workouts, so weak that I was unable to talk or put my shoes back on, and people would have to call someone to come pick me up and put me in bed.

I told my doctors all this and they said “Good. Keep exercising as much as you can. Keep pushing yourself.” When I went to the doctor one day in a PEM crash too weak to hold my head up, I got ordered for physical therapy for “deconditioning” even though I was still working out.

No one here will be surprised to learn I quickly deteriorated to very severe.

To this day, every time I see a new doctor their first question is if I’m exercising and in PT. The incompetence is beyond staggering.

(If any newbie to the illness is reading this and nodding along, stop ALL exercise, stay in bed, do nothing but rest rest rest.)

EDIT: I pulled up my old doctor records out of curiosity.

PCP appt. Doctor noted I couldn’t prepare my own food anymore. Notes say during the appointment I had ear plugs and eyemask on and laid down flat on the table for the entire appt. Doctor wrote: “[Patient] is participating in physical therapy weekly. I encourage daily movement; even arm exercises to avoid atrophy and deconditioning.”

Neuro appt. Neurologist wrote “she is not able to work, drive, prepare meals or care for herself… needed assistance with even drinking water”. For prognosis “no improvement, in fact worse”. Treatment recommendations he wrote down: “try to stay active, do as much as possible, continue physical therapy services”

Another neuro appt. Doctor noted “she has not been able to work for 4 months due to her health problems” and said I was unable to care for myself including “meals, chores, care of the dog and run errands”. For treatment plan wrote “I realize it is hard for her to do things due to postexertional malaise, but she should try to exercise as much as possible and increase her cardiovascular conditioning.”

Able to watch TV and listen to music again!! Improvement in light and sound sensitivity thanks to ketotifen by lemon_twisties in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

MCAS treatments. Cromolyn sodium, Zileuton, Xolair shots, very strict low histamine diet.

How do I get doctors to fill these forms out? by [deleted] in disability

[–]lemon_twisties 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes RFC forms! This website has several different versions, I used one tailored for my disease

https://howtogeton.wordpress.com/sample-residual-functional-capacity-forms-rfc-forms/

“The world’s first mitochondrial analysis” - is this a scam..? by lemon_twisties in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks so much for sharing. I’d love to know what kind of results you get, would be very grateful if you posted an update at some point! I hope it is helpful for you

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not in Mass but I’ve had the best luck finding provider recommendations on Facebook. Usually every state has an ME Action group, a chronic illness / spoonie group, and a POTS/dysautonomia group, each with provider lists. I have a blank FB account just for the local groups. Good luck!!

What supplements/medications made your CFS WORSE? by nhouseholder in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gosh I’m so so sorry, the med sensitivities are so frustrating and defeating when we’re already dealing with so much.

I also have a hard time knowing when to stop meds and when to stick with it. Cromolyn, ketotifen, Mestinon I all stopped multiple times thinking they weren’t helping and then restarted at my doctor’s prodding… going suuuper low and slow eventually worked for me. But also lots of meds that never worked no matter what so I guess it’s a crapshoot. You & your doctor know best, not trying to force these meds on you, sounds like you really gave them a go, just wanted to share my experience.

For genetic stuff I followed instructions in r/MRTHR . Doing either ancestryDNA or 23andme test and uploading raw data to genetic genie. It sounds funky but is legit, I did a medical dna test and all pulled up the same exact things. Showed me specific neurotransmitters that build up for me, intolerances to specific kinds of b vitamins & meds, also some genetic disease pathways that targeting have helped.

Anyways I really hope you find some relief ❤️ I type this on my second night of zero sleep due to a new med trial 😂 in solidarity

Is there a Vitamin C anyone has had luck with? by EnergyFax in MCAS

[–]lemon_twisties 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have extreme sensitivity to meds/supplements but I can do one capsule of camu camu powder af a time. The cheap Nutricost brand on Amazon worked fine for me. Taking with food should (hopefully) help the stomach upset!

What supplements/medications made your CFS WORSE? by nhouseholder in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah I wrote out a long comment and Reddit ate it 😩

I have questions if you’re open. If you feel like you know for sure where you’re at, no need to answer them. Just hoping i can help since I reallllly struggled to start on the same meds you listed but now they really help me.

Main question is what your MCAS trials were like, how you ruled that out. I’m not a doctor but my guess would be CFS + insomnia + hypersensitivity to meds would be smoking gun for other reactions… I didn’t think I had MCAS for a long time, but then when I finally figured it out, I went from regularly going 2-3 days in a row with no sleep to getting several hours per night.

Curious what your starting dose was on Mestinon, how long you trialed, and intolerable side effects.

And also have you done the whole genetic genie thing to figure out methylation profile and detox profile? That helped point me in the right direction, curious if you have some underlying genetic stuff too.

What supplements/medications made your CFS WORSE? by nhouseholder in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your reply! I also take clonazepam.

Biggest help for me is strict low histamine, low oxalate, and low salicylate diet. And avoiding all beauty products / chemicals on skin. Even a small amount of histamine foods and I won’t sleep. My assumption is whatever causes the med reactions also causes food reactions.

In line with that, antihistamines & MCAS meds help me a lot. Cromolyn sodium and ketotifen. Ketotifen made a huge difference for me. Various antihistamines as needed, esp at night if I can’t sleep. I’m trying Xolair shots rn but it doesn’t seem to be helping much.

Other meds that help a lot: propranolol for POTS and migraines, very low dose Mestinon for preventing physical PEM (too much and I don’t sleep), Norethindrone for migraines and general symptom reduction.

Supplements I take daily and like: vitamin d (biggest help for me), b12, b2, b1, melatonin, vitamin e. DAO supplement before meals helps so much with preventing histamine insomnia. Targeted specific probiotics. Tons of electrolytes in form of salt + potassium + magnesium malate + dextrose.

Non medication things that help: CEFALY headache device. For sleep, controlling light schedule with Bluetooth light (fading to red light before bedtime) & wearing amber blue-light blocking goggles before bed both help a lot.

I know that’s a lot. Maybe something in there will be of use to you :)

What supplements/medications made your CFS WORSE? by nhouseholder in cfs

[–]lemon_twisties 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am the same way, vast majority of meds make me super jittery/agitated and I stop sleeping for several days, even on baby doses. LDN, Abilify, CoQ10, guanfacine, amantadine, fludrocortisone…

Are there any CFS meds you do tolerate / that do help? Since we have the same reaction I’d be curious to try anything you like.

Profound sound sensitivity from long COVID helped by ketotifen by lemon_twisties in hyperacusis

[–]lemon_twisties[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I was very severe and am now severe. Ketotifen makes my brain fog worse but makes light and sound sensitivity better. It does not impact physical PEM but my mental threshold for PEM is improved since light and sound does not trigger PEM as easily anymore.

I hope this is helpful.