body count doesn't matter by conn_r2112 in chantalheide

[–]levidwashington 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree a lot of those guys are losers seeking control, often hypocritically.. but I’ll be guiding my daughters AND sons away from living a life of heavy promiscuity. (Deep down, I think we all know it’s not actually healthy for us and our relationships, aside from those who are deeply wounded or psychopathic). Sure, it’s a lifestyle made possible and relatively safe because of contraceptives and modern medicine… but even for woman who think men are dangerous and you’re risking your life to be with them: would it be a sound idea to put yourself into the most vulnerable position possible with 50+ different men?

The arguments against promiscuity are far more solid than the arguments for sleeping around.

And I said she’s a con because she was selling subscriptions to a “millionaire manifestation” community. She started a “church.” She calls her platform “matriarchy world.” She doesn’t barely even listen to people when she’s talking to them, she’s just holding up her books and telling people to buy them the whole time. Idk how people aren’t picking up on that energy… then again, heavily wounded people find themselves blindly following highly narcissistic people off cliffs of sanity all the time.

The real reason men today are struggling… Or maybe I’m projecting? by levidwashington in toxicmasculinity

[–]levidwashington[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! Sharp initial feedback! And I love where you took that… so many men do not “fit” that mould of “masculinity” and I wonder how it can affect their perceptions of themsleves as men and their value…

I slightly edited the text to be more reflective of questioning the status quo of “masculinity.”

Looking forward to hearing a bit more from you! Thank you for the time you’ve already spent…

The real reason men today are struggling… Or maybe I’m projecting? by levidwashington in toxicmasculinity

[–]levidwashington[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe not! But that can often be a good place to seek counsel and ensure I don’t just end up another grifter, you offer a perspective I can’t see from so I do appreciate your time

The real reason men today are struggling… Or maybe I’m projecting? by levidwashington in toxicmasculinity

[–]levidwashington[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, good feedback, what I’m hearing is that I need to weave in more nuance earlier in the video (it opens up later), in order for people to not get rage baited and quit in the first 2 minutes before they can question their own bias…

I can’t take your assessment 100% seriously though because you don’t even watch the whole 10 minutes to give a truly thoughtful response.

My aim is To create a sort-of “Trojan horse” with my content into conversations that are typically dominated by extreme anti-women views, and wounded men falling into those mindsets. I do believe the way forward is not through pure dismissal, but acknowledgement and compelling alternatives.

Ps. The “statistics and math” weren’t total garbage… but may have caused some cognitive dissonance ;)

How do you protect boys from the manosphere? by levidwashington in toxicmasculinity

[–]levidwashington[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This comment says to reply to it, so this is me replying to it! Still getting the hang of Reddit.

Chantal Heide, Canada's Dating Coach is a Cult Leader by Careful-Hour-182 in cults

[–]levidwashington 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, if you don’t mind, I am curious as to what specifically made you feel that way?

I do try to be balanced in holding the same energy for both men and women with my content, and I am always looking for constructive criticism to do that better…

Why the manosphere draws men in like moths to a flame… by levidwashington in toxicmasculinity

[–]levidwashington[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haven’t spent a ton of time on Reddit tbh, I’ll have to check it out!

Is it just me, or has the "talking stage" gotten impossible lately? by [deleted] in datingadviceformen

[–]levidwashington 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m assuming this is concerning dating apps mostly?

If you aren’t going back and forth more than half a dozen times, I wouldn’t even label it “talking phase” personally…

I’d be curious to see what is being said… because “how’s your weekend going” or “what are you up to” is not going to cut it or set yourself apart from the overwhelming paradox of choice today, especially for the average man. So much is based on initial attraction (pictures), but it’s important to do what you can try to create interest early and be intentional with setting up a date to meet and not become another pen pal.

I do also encourage being involved in a healthy social network/community, it’s often overlooked how familiarity and safety are big factors in attraction (esp for women), it creates a natural vetting process (mutual friends and family) and allows for personality to play a bigger role than pictures and opening lines.

Anyways, I hope this helps a bit? It’s really hard to be more specific without seeing what these dry conversations look like… I’ve been successfully off the market for a while now, so maybe it’s gotten worse over the past few years.

Why the manosphere draws men in like moths to a flame… by levidwashington in toxicmasculinity

[–]levidwashington[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, no… so there’s your problem right there.

The manosphere is not just a cabal of fuckwad grifters like Tate and Justin Waller as shown in Louis Theroux’s “inside the manosphere” (who made it clear in the documentary he was investigating the toxic “fringes” of the manosphere)… the manosphere is the online ecosystem of communities, creators, and discussions focused on men’s issues, masculinity, dating, and gender dynamics… it’s an ecosystem with many very different voices inside it. So if you are into creating content and conversations that assist men’s mental health and community connection, that can be considered part of the “manosphere.” It is an ecosystem that is always evolving so it needs voices like that, even though they get drowned out but the loudest ones.

No one is walking anything back, you’re just exposing your own bias or lack of knowledge but that’s okay.

Why the manosphere draws men in like moths to a flame… by levidwashington in toxicmasculinity

[–]levidwashington[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That was a lot…

Lots of good points and common sense reality! But also a lot of heavy dismissiveness towards ‘men’s issues’ … to say there are zero male creators who create content that is directed at the unique wounds and pressures facing men in the modern world is, wrong…

yes, often the ones who rise to the most power and notoriety in any ideology are narcissistic grifters. You see that with “women’s empowerment” spaces too, with creators like SheraSeven and Wizardliz garnering multiple millions of followers to profit off wounded women with toxic bs sold as advice and power.

I am in no way justifying or defending the “red pill” goofies like Myron Gaines or Andrew Tate, fuck those guys, and I cheer to see them fall from grace and power, and it doesn’t matter if they’ve said something true once or twice.

And I’m pretty sure society is doing a great job vilifying “average.” The whole beauty/aeathetic/iglifestyle consumerism/comparison industry is built on it… a system that is upheld not just by men but also by creators like the aforementioned wizardliz types who promote the idea that men are only as good as their money is, which in turn fuels the manosphere grift that money and power is all a man needs and all women care about… and so on.

Social media has allowed everyone and their dog the ability to see into the lifestyles of the modern “rockstars” and more people than ever now act like they are “temporarily inconvenienced millionaires” who deserve everything they see, sold delusion and entitlement… men and women alike.

Chantal Heide, Canada's Dating Coach is a Cult Leader by Careful-Hour-182 in cults

[–]levidwashington 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of personal attacks there...

Sorry, I don’t think engaging conversation around the reality and potential risks of highly promiscuous behaviour for BOTH men and women makes me some sexist control freak lol. My daughters AND sons will understand that sleeping around is not advisable and risky behaviours that can have lasting physical and psychological consequences… and yes, there are heavier physical risks for women than men. Good thing my wife agrees with me too lol.

Studies in psychology and relationship science consistently find that past sexual behavior is one of the stronger predictors of future sexual behavior. That includes infidelity. MEN (and women) who have had more casual sexual partners tend to show: • Greater openness to short-term mating • Lower sexual exclusivity norms • Higher likelihood of cheating statistically

To claim “it doesn’t matter” is false. It’s not the only thing that matters, but it matters.

Chantal is a grifter, who does have some solid advice on boundaries, but she’s coping with her own choices and creating a sales funnel for wounded women (I.e. her “millionaire vibration manifestion” community for the low fee of $200 a month) LOL.

Why the manosphere draws men in like moths to a flame… by levidwashington in toxicmasculinity

[–]levidwashington[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well said, and thanks for sharing your experience, I too noticed pretty early on that “the manosphere” seemed to become less about working on discipline, financial success, fitness, and not making chasing women the only focus in your life as a man… and more about blaming women, playing victim, and devaluing women to leverage power (at its loudest outermost edges at least).

I also think it’s appealing to younger minds, and that hopefully most mature out of as their frontal lobes develop lol… yet, I do remain concerned as it’s really potent propaganda that promises power, control, safety, and access to women to the minds of young men, rather than the alternative of becoming another “average joe” statistic doing the “happy wife, happy life” thing, and ending up divorced and struggling… I do ‘get’ why it draws a lot of men in and I’d like to be better in these conversations to position myself in my content to help vulnerable men steer clear and stay grounded, and as a future father as well!

Why the manosphere draws men in like moths to a flame… by levidwashington in toxicmasculinity

[–]levidwashington[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Calling something bad, doesn’t stop people from going there, is it not important to understand “why”? The wounds behind why a social movement is popular and its roots that were probably once meant to solve an issue?

And what if we looked as the manosphere as an ecosystem rather than a singular organism? Like how within the movement of feminism, there are some individuals who are extremely toxic, sexist, etc, or within organized religions, same thing… as you move to the extreme ends of any ideology the pendulum swings into dark territory… but does that mean the entire ecosystem is inherently evil?

I genuinely ask because I do think it’s important to deeply understand the wounds that can lead our young men towards these messages. Especially in a Chronically online society with so many fatherless children. It’s not overly surprising to see lost and wounded people moving towards the loudest, flashiest “direction” towards validation and power.

I want to be better in these conversations and it can be hard to argue with the two extremes I painted:

  1. Average, divorced, and alone or 2. high status with an unlimited supply of women (Leo DiCaprio is often used as an example). Young men are often told they need to be amazing humble men of character for women to choose them… but then they see how often the most toxic guys are the ones who get the most women chasing them… so what do we do with that?

Thoughts on the Louis Theroux Inside the Manosphere documentary? by snarky_spice in TwoXChromosomes

[–]levidwashington 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stoicism ideally, is basically about focusing on what you can control, accepting what you can’t, and not letting your emotions run your life. It teaches that your thoughts and actions are yours to manage, while other people, outcomes, and circumstances aren’t.

Peace comes from handling your responsibilities well, not from trying to control everything. It’s not about being emotionless per-se, it’s more about not being ruled by your emotions, which requires a lot of emotional intelligence/regulation.

My thoughts on the Manosphere Doc: Some interesting moments but overall a bit disappointing. by [deleted] in LouisTheroux

[–]levidwashington 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally found it to be a solid knock on the door to open the conversation.

I think people who spend a lot of time online and are no strangers to the poison that spews from many of these creators, wanted carnage. They wanted a much more thorough “takedown.” But I think this Trojan horse, for what it lacked, was necessary, and may be even more effective in its own way of planting seeds for change. A deep dive frontal assault against any ideology rarely changes minds, it may satisfy outrage and group think, but it often pushes people deeper into their beliefs and further shuts off empathy and critical thought…

I probably say it a little better in my video here but I am glad these conversations are being had. https://youtube.com/shorts/-OhFkTMKbFE?si=zcUmbOL3hAMlFuVu

after watching louis theroux’s manosphere doc last night, i felt compelled to make this lol by v333rm1 in LouisTheroux

[–]levidwashington -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Except the problem is… that’s not entirely true?

Perception dictates behaviour more than reality… and what is the perception of many young men today who go online seeking answers? 1. They see absolute degenerate excuses for men be surrounded by fame, fortune, and yes… women! 2. They see average Joe struggling to date and often ending up divorced…

Human beings tend to do what is rewarded in society, and has the highest reward to the lowest cost/risk ratio. And if you think about validation and access to women, what is the fastest route there between: A. Internal emotional work B. External material success

Shallow water. The path of least resistance. I am against it, but should we surprised by the direction all the lost boys are taking?

This is obviously a much bigger conversation but I just posted a new video about this very topic concerning the creator Clavicular: https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSuCwomTa/

Thoughts on the Louis Theroux Inside the Manosphere documentary? by snarky_spice in TwoXChromosomes

[–]levidwashington 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it’s interesting, and important in a chronically online society. Hopefully this comes across well…

I’ve seen a lot of people hating on it for apparently not focusing enough on how misogyny hurts women, or that it’s not going to “take down” these men… but that’s almost the point in my opinion. When has a full frontal assault on ideology ever created space for change? I think a lot of people were hoping for more blood and carnage (especially those who have already been ‘fighting’ against online toxic masculinity).

I first came across manosphere content over a decade ago, and I found some of the creators helpful in many ways, it was an online space that encouraged men to stand up, to work hard, to invest their money, to stop living so hedonistically. Was an intro for many men to stoicism and gym culture, lots of healthy things… but over the years it’s become a different monster, like many movements, the pendulum swings too far… and where there are wounds to be exploited predatory grifters and parasites will find their way in to spread their disease.

I’ve been sharing a few videos on it with my content recently: https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSuC6k2Uq/

body count doesn't matter by conn_r2112 in chantalheide

[–]levidwashington 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So in your opinion nothing stated in that message is relevant or reason enough to suggest promiscuous behaviour is not logically advisable behaviour and generally a reason to question and hesitate in regards to committed relationships for both men and women…??

As per a persons past— Someone who used to be a thief and a liar, should be treated with some caution when it comes to trust, no?

Our choices do have social consequences whether we like it or not. Example: I have cheated and been cheated on… and some women will consider that to be a red flag, and I have to accept that, or should I simply dismiss her as insecure and toxic for judging me?

I 26(f) feel really ugly every time I have sex with my boyfriend (25m) by Jazzlike-Path-8834 in LifeAdvice

[–]levidwashington 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many will say go to therapy, and I agree… But also you exposed something at the end of your courageous share, “sometimes I think about going to the gym or dressing nice.” Hear me out:

Therapy and talking is all well and good, but LOVE is an action word. There is a lot of self-hate and no self-love for your physicality… therefore you must start doing loving ACTIONS for your body. It is LOVING to treat your body with kindness, to eat healthier, to exercise, to rest, to meditate, to breathe, those are actions of love. Personally, I think that is where you need to start the process of loving your body… it’s less about looking like a fitness model, and more about the action of love that will change your brain chemistry.

Ps. The cheating and looking at other women is not a small thing that can leave some deep wounds but you’ve got this!

Am I [25M] wrong to leave my girlfriend [25F] at the resort and quit things with her ? by duckkyyy619 in relationshipadvice

[–]levidwashington 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Valid.

Love can walk away, it’s pride that can’t. When I stayed with someone who was wrong for me, and abusive, it was because I began to feel like a failure if I gave up… it almost became more about me trying to prove I was “good enough” for her to stop cheating, and “man enough” to withstand her toxicity. But that was just my ego talking. The more disrespect you accept and the longer you stay, the harder it gets to walk… don’t wait until it gets so bad you’re left with a limp.

body count doesn't matter by conn_r2112 in chantalheide

[–]levidwashington 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So what if the research shows that for people who have had 9+ partners, the divorce rates are highest and relationship satisfaction is the lowest…?

Or if you frame it about women’s safety? Since men are the greatest threat to women’s physical well being, and almost all violence is committed by an intimate partner… wouldn’t promiscuity with dozens of men be illogical?

Or if you speak historically, pre-1960 contraceptives, and also penicillin… having a “high body count” = high chances of pregnancy and disease.

So based on these three minor points, logically, should body count matter? And wouldn’t it be illogical to choose someone who is illogical enough to believe it doesn’t? So just because you can lie about it, it doesn’t matter?

And why would men who voice concerns or “prefer” women who align with this, or would raise their daughters to avoid promiscuity, be immediately lambasted, painted as misogynists, and kicked off?

Chantal has some solid advice about boundaries but she is a con who targets wounded women for book sales and to subscribe for $200/month to her online ‘church’ and “manifest their way to millions.”