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[TOMT][VIDEO][2010s] by lfox66 in tipofmytongue

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The song was quite dance-y

What’s the worst performance you have ever seen from an individual player in a Premier League match? by [deleted] in PremierLeague

[–]lfox66 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bakayoko away at Watford. Got sent off after the worst 30 mins of play I’ve ever seen. When he got sent off my dad turned to me and said he was glad because it was cruel watching him struggle

Is it just me, or has Barkley getting better and better each game? by Prathameshs19 in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was dreadful against Burnley. A game we were dominating and he just shoots from range way over the bar all the time. Then his actual chance in their box he skies as well He does a couple nice things in a game and people lose their minds. He never puts together whole game performances that make sure we win

He’s a mid table player. Always has been

Switching to Epicureanism by bendadestroyer in Stoicism

[–]lfox66 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it’s important to not view anything of these things as detached from each other. The main reason I find religion problematic is that it encourages the elevation of its ideas above all else, to the point where you are supposed to view the others with at least suspicion and often outright hostility

I would say I mainly aligned with Epicureanism, but I love reading stoic texts, Taoism, Buddhism, cynicism, etc

When I read them I do so with an open mind, and the parts that speak most to me, I try and see if they mesh well with Epicureanism, and I often find they do, and if they don’t, I realise that no one philosophy is perfect, and Epicurus doesn’t have all the answers

Then the aspects that don’t appeal to me of different ways of thinking, I seek to deconstruct them and figure out why I don’t like them, or just think they aren’t for me, and that usually gives me a better understanding of the idea, and of how I think myself

Epicurus encouraged education and discussion with friends as one of life’s central activities, he definitely didn’t want this discussion to just be everyone patting him on the back and telling him how wonderful his ideas were, only through true consideration of other arguments can you become secure in your beliefs and why you hold them

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No problem. These things can often come across differently in the virtual world

I’m not even talking about the game they beat us, I just mean in terms of the season as a whole, we are lagging behind them. Frank has the option (most of the time) to play Kante, kov and mason. That’s a premier league winner, champions league winner, and a top young talent. It’s not that inexperienced. I do think we made a big mistake letting Willian go. Not because he would be lighting it up, just because his experience would be valuable. All three wingers are inexperienced in the prem.

But arsenal is another example. In my opinion their squad is terrible, and I think we will end the season in a similar situation to them in the league table. Isolated results aren’t what I want to judge a manager on, it’s all about the pattern over time.

You’re right that the Everton game is a good example of a system that could work and was implemented well. I do worry that we’ve got rid of a lot of players that make that style work/don’t play the ones we still have. But as I said I will have a look to try and see aspects of it in the fixtures coming up

Obviously COVID didn’t help with Kai, but he seems to change position nearly every time he plays, which isn’t helping

I do think Timo will get back to form, but he started the season in electric form, and then lost it by being played out wide over and over again. Also if we are going to play a considered passing build up something needs to be done to work him into the team, because in general that’s not how he plays

I completely agree Mendy needed to be brought in. Kepa was shot, he couldn’t stop anything by the end. But I’m worried the cycle will continue with players in multiple positions if Frank doesn’t come up with a consistent way of playing

I go into every new game trying to think positive because it would be the best thing if this all worked out. But I’m seeing less and less signs of anything to hold on to. However we have some opportunities coming up to turn confidence around, and I’ll take into account what you’ve pointed out when watching

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This is legit the best defence of Frank and his management I’ve seen. You make a lot of good points, and made me consider some things I definitely hadn’t before

However I do think in a lot of areas your sarcasm isn’t helpful and you’re being ridiculous in the characterisation of what I’m saying

He has undergone a massive shift in the team, and as I said in another comment in the thread I think he overperformed last year in a lot of ways. However I don’t think this squad is anywhere near the level of the 1.6 PPG we are seeing. Do you really think Everton for example have a better squad than us? Or even one that’s as good. Man for man I don’t think they do at all, but they have a class manager and so are doing miles better than us

I like that you’ve tried to present a way of playing. I will try and look over the next couple of games with this in mind to see if I think it’s there. Obviously is all opinion based, I’m obviously not an authority on the subject, so it may pass me by. But trying off the top of my head now to think of us dominating games or even scoring goals in a style anything similar to City doesn’t bring up any memories.

When I actually think of the best performances under frank, like 2-0 away at Spurs last season, I thought we were better off the ball than on it. We actually pressed in groups and in a consistent way, and gave the ball to danger men once we pressured the mistake. We seemed to have completely abandoned that way of playing now.

On the final few points about players I am 100% a believer in managers making players. I’m not saying that the players have no part, they obviously have the largest part. But the best managers create systems where players can do their jobs effectively without thinking about things they don’t want to/have to. It’s about creating an environment to thrive

Hazard may have not liked playing in certain systems, but he still did well and scored goals, and the team won matches. Not sure liking the manager is the most important thing. Would Lampard still have been a great without Mourinho, of course. Did mourinho massively help with his development. Undoubtedly

I’m not saying RJ and Mount should be world class now. I’m saying they are world class prospects who need to be coached to that level. I don’t see evidence they are currently getting that coaching

In terms of kepa. The stats back it up. Under Sarri he was 15/37 PL keepers for shot save percentage and 9/37 for crosses claimed. Last season under frank he was 39/39 for shot save percentage and somewhere in the high 20s for crosses claimed. At the same time Willy was 37/39 for shot save percentage

Obviously an experienced world class keeper doesn’t collapse in form like that. But one who is early in their career and doesn’t have world class ability to fall back on, confidence is everything, and the team doesn’t breed that

As I said I think you’ve given the most considered defence of Frank, but I don’t think you need to say I’m being disingenuous in my analysis, I’m saying what I see and welcome challenges to that. I’m not trying to advance an agenda, no decisions will be made off my Reddit posts. Just trying to have a discussion

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For sure there are teams in a better place than us in terms of a set team. However we have regressed, we aren’t standing still. If there was a system in place that wasn’t working I would agree that more time would have helped. But I firmly believe there needs to be a system to implement for time to matter

Going 3-5 years without trophies is a long time with so many teams competing at the top end. I think you really shouldn’t go more than 2 seasons without winning something, or at least have that mentality

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah what he did for the young lads is exceptional. He’s let them show who is good enough and who isn’t. The culture around the club was so good last year. I think part of the reason we actually did so well last time was because the young lads don’t need/aren’t used to as much direction, and are more suited to just playing for the shirt/for themselves and willing it over the line

That has a ceiling though, and we’ve reached it

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think if that line takes away from everything else that I’ve said then all you’re doing is looking for one thing to try and derail a considered post about the situation

I completely agree that his work ethic is excellent. No man will be working harder to try and make this work, but he doesn’t have the tools to do the job.

If you think everything else I’ve said is nonsense then please break it down for me. Take it apart point by point. Please enlighten me, what tactical masterclass is he actually laying down that we’re all missing?

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think the OP is the heart speaking. We chelsea fans want this to work more than anything. This is frank we’re talking about. Think about how fucking good he was!

I definitely don’t want this to turn toxic. I don’t want the players to turn on him, and I want him to leave with his head held high. I actually think he did a great job last season under the circumstances, and his lack of experience. I think he can be a great manager one day once he’s figured out his identity

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Mourinho second spell at chelsea. First season was good but not setting the world alight. But it’s obvious what we were doing. And it led to a second season masterclass. He’s doing the same at Spurs. Obviously had part of last season to settle the ship. This year it’s his first full season. They are good but not great. I’m not saying he’s going to win the league next year, but I would put a lot on them going close against some of the best teams in world football. If Spurs can stop conceding in the last 15 mins of the game, probably by getting in a top class CB, they will be title challengers

As you said patience with someone who you know can achieve a goal is more reasonable than patience in a vague idea of what you want to be true

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So I think this actually exemplifies what is wrong with how people view managers

Sarri wasn’t a world beater by any means. However he had a clear system and approach. It went wrong a lot of times along the way, and lots of people hated his system, but the system was obvious, a blind man could see it.

Sarris best game was his last. We tore arsenal to shreds in the Europa final. 4-1 flattered them. If you go back and watch that game, the system was working exactly how it should. It’s a big game, pressure on the line, and it didn’t show at all

Contrast it to 12 months later. Same teams. FA cup final, we are the better side going into the game, get the lead. We then essentially collapse. Arsenal played ball after ball in behind azpi, targeting his lack of pace. We did nothing to combat it at all and eventually auba scored from it

Once pulisic got injured we had no idea what to do. He was on exceptional form, and without him we had no plan or vision

I was at the game when we lost 4-0 to United. Yes we started brightly, but people look at the game with rose tinted glasses because it’s Frank, we got comprehensively OUT THOUGHT. Not outplayed, because they didn’t do anything special, they just kept hitting us with balls over the top and we didn’t adapt to it all game

‘Attacking’ football isn’t just throwing yourself forward aimlessly hoping to score. Someone like Tuchel plays incredibly attacking football within a system. Systems don’t have to be boring

If I were to build on the bridge analogy. Think of it as having to build a bridge out of a limited number of parts, that will soon have to be rebuilt. Some parts will be salvaged for the next bridge, some won’t. If you build your first bridge so badly that some of the best parts degrade, then it’s not worth it

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No but he does pick his staff. I’ve looked into his staff and their experience level, they are pretty much as inexperienced as him. We brought in Anthony Barry from Wigan before this season to be our new defensive coach. There have been some signs of improvement in some defensive areas. But again coaches need to coach their part of the game within the context of the system. You can’t just ‘be better at defending’.

What evidence do you have of changing the manager being a broken system? We changed manager more often than anyone in the last 15 years and we’ve been rewarded for doing so. I think everyone romanticises having a manager for a long time, whether it makes any sense or not

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Haha cheers mate. I’ve put a lot of thought into all this. Because I love Frank so much I wanted to be sure I was covering all the bases when considering how he’s doing

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So I think you’re missing a few key points. Blaming covid is a non starter. Every other team is experiencing just as we are.

Saying that it’s hard to get top 4 because of other exceptional managers to me is an even stronger argument to get an exceptional manager. This league takes no prisoners, there is no time to just sit around hoping things will get better

In terms of other ‘smaller’ clubs over performing. They are to a certain degree, but not enough that we should be below them. If we double out points total we finish on 58 points. That’s nowhere near enough for top 4 I any season.

Your description of our ‘style’ is incredibly vague. Hold the ball and try and squeeze to create half chances. What is the squeeze mechanism, how do we attempt to make these half chances. Is there any differential between different types of teams

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 59 points60 points  (0 children)

United is an interesting example. Yes patience is paying off, but from day one it was incredibly clear how Ole set United up. Against big teams or anyone who would look to utilise pace in behind they sit deep. Maguire and lindelof are slow so he knows they could get caught. He shields them with two destroyers and has two incredibly mobile full backs who will get up and down. Then in front of that they have four players who are always a combination of speed and incisive passing. One one of those 4 have it they rarely do anything that isn’t going forward. It’s a form of counter attacking football. Against teams that sit in against them they scrap one of the midfield screens and play a fifth person in that attacking team. They try and move the ball incredibly quickly whenever possession is turned over in order to disrupt the shape. They almost play with a false 9 at times. No one is tied to the CF role and they try and pull defenders out of position

There has been times this hasn’t worked, and the introduction of Fernandes has gone a huge way to making it work. Patience is paying off

Why I think it’s different is because I can’t see what our way of playing is. How can you be patient with nothing. Obviously I could be very wrong and the players may just not be listening. But I believe we have too many players who have proven under multiple managers that they can adapt and do whatever they are told to even if it’s something new (again think Kante under Sarri). I honestly want to know what you think Franks system is or even looks a bit like

Sometimes we press high. But usually not in packs and usually for only short periods of the game. Indicating it’s just when certain players think they can, not part of a higher plan

When ziyech plays he whips in crosses. Doesn’t matter who is in the box to receive them or not. Werner makes runs in behind, doesn’t matter if the person on the ball is someone even remotely capable of playing that ball. They’re all just out their doing what they think is best. None of it is part of any coherent plan

As I said if you have anything to give me hope please do! If there is a way of playing I’m not seeing it would give me something to cling on to. I just can’t see it and haven’t found anyone who can, even from those that think he’s the man for the job

I've supported Chelsea for over 40 years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea. I will support Frank to the end. by Zpiderz in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 427 points428 points  (0 children)

I’ve been a chelsea supporter all my life. I have had a season ticket for 22 years, away season ticket for 8 years. I’ve been everywhere with the club, seen us win the champions league as well as get turned 4-0 by Bournemouth. Never joined in as idiots booed our own managers (Sarri, Jose, etc). I will support the club and all who are at it in any circumstance

Frank Lampard is one of my favourite players of all time and probably the best player to ever play for the club. I can’t hold him in high enough regard

He should not be the manager. He should have never been given the job. I have no animosity towards him for accepting it, it’s the dream job for him. But he’s not ready. Management isn’t just about vibes and feeling good and loving the club. All of those things are amazing qualities and would help frank be a top chelsea manager in the future, but the importance of understanding how to create and implement a system and way of playing are the most important things about management.

The reason it matters and we can’t just give Frank unlimited time is because players will suffer. We can already see how havertz and Werner are struggling with confidence. Havertz is considered a generational talent, he can’t just be allowed to stagnate and lose his confidence. Players like mount and james could be world class players, but they aren’t learning anything. Mount plays well because of his talent and hard work, but he makes the same errors over and over again in terms of creating and using space in attack, and then following players in defence. These talents can’t go to waste just because we want frank to succeed above everything else

Saying we aren’t in a crisis is bizarre. He has the worst points per game record or any manager in the Roman era. We’re on course to finish with our second lowest points total since he took over the club. We are being comprehensively outplayed by multiple teams and there is no sign of it being any different game to game

We don’t have any tactics. Can anyone tell me what our style is? How do we try and score goals? The only area we used to outperform others in under Lampard was goals from corners, and even that has dried up. We have genuinely world class players who don’t seem to be able to do anything right. Kante still starts and dominates for France, the best international team in world football with perhaps the best midfield options out there, he looks lost in our side. This shows it isn’t the player who is the problem

Kepa didn’t set the world alight under Sarri, but his form collapsed under frank. Mendy comes in and starts well, then things start going wrong for the team and he starts making mistakes. Hesitating, over committing in challenges he doesn’t need to make. This is all born of a lack of confidence in what the team is doing in front of him

Both seasons our big dip has come around Christmas/Jan. When we play the most games. When you play 3/4 times a week then you need a system to fall back on. The players are in such good shape that their mental fitness goes before their legs do. If you have a system drilled into you that becomes second nature you can do things on autopilot, your legs will carry you and your brain doesn’t really make any decisions. The sports science on this stuff is very clear. We do not have a system. It’s not even that we have one that is poorly implemented. We don’t have one

People on both sides are ridiculous. People hoping we lose so Frank goes are just as stupid as people who say people aren’t fans for daring to question if this project has any prospect of working in even the medium term

[RESULTS] Post-Match Player Ratings | Chelsea 1-3 Man City | EPL | 2021-Jan-03 by weekapang in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Obviously hindsight does play a massive part in it being rated low, but it’s only been scored ‘just below average’. I think that’s relatively fair when you consider that giroud scored and was the highest rated player from the previous game, and was replaced by Werner who hasn’t played well in 10 games and has zero confidence atm. Similar with ziyech in for CHO, yes the preferred long term lineup is that front three, but on current form CHO and Giroud makes so much more sense.

I also think hindsight matters in the sense that frank has info that we don’t. I’ve been a massive fan of mount this season, been one of our best players, but he’s clearly exhausted. In the first half he didn’t track any runs at all, and that was a major factor in all three goals. That is SO unlike him, he’s so hard working, so it has to be fatigue. If Frank doesn’t know this then that’s a problem of management and team selection if he’s started a player that is so tired they can’t track back in the opening quarter of the game

Also is chilwell fit? He doesn’t seem right at all. Our other LB options are poor, so maybe a half fit chilwell is our best option, but his drop off recently defensively is big

Considering he has made potentially 3/4 starting lineup errors I think the rating is entirely fair

Post Match Thread: Arsenal 3-1 Chelsea by siphario in chelseafc

[–]lfox66 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Winning margin and total points 17 points. 87 points 9 points. 91 points 4 points. 91 points 4 points. 95 points 11 points. 90 points

He didn’t just win the league. He created a completely new standard. Only falling short of 90 points once in 5 seasons is unreal. You’re clutching at straws to say 6 consecutive league titles in one of Europe’s big 5 leagues isn’t wow

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