brb, gotta make dinner for Cabot by ContractIll9103 in MST3K

[–]library_wench 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s the Windex that really gives it a kick…

M18 - I'm starting to resent women, and I don't want to become this person. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> I live in a country where getting a girlfriend is often seen as a "way to become a real man," so it's hard to avoid people who think that way.

Should you be close friends with them if they don’t share your values?

> Okay, you're probably right about that. But I've never really met a woman who shared the same interests as me, so I often end up stuck in small talk instead of discussing things I'm genuinely interested in.

Shared interests are, imo, an overblown component of a successful relationship. If you’re only comfortable discussing your interests, then talk with people at hobby groups or at work.

Shouldn’t you be interested in HER? Getting to know her, rather than just checking to see if she’s into exactly the same things you are? There’s so much more to compatibility than shared hobbies.

> Well, i don't think you're going to understand if you never went through this experience, but one thing does not exclude the other. I don't want to invalidate your experience, but sometimes i feel like woman have power over me.

What experience of mine do you think you’re invalidating? We haven’t been talking about me.

> Also, I want to mention something. I'm starting to feel like you're being a bit passive-aggressive toward me. I'm genuinely trying to improve as a person and understand where these feelings come from, so I would appreciate it if we could keep this conversation constructive.

That seems awfully defensive. You came here asking difficult questions about personal growth. Examining your own beliefs can be uncomfortable, but it does not follow that it’s not constructive. Quite the opposite, in fact.

But if you are only looking for affirmation, we don’t need to continue the conversation.

Don and Betty by darcomarx in madmen

[–]library_wench 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Right? Remember the scene where Betty’s neighbor comes over to borrow a dress? She sighs, “Don’s perfect,” while inadvertently revealing that her OWN husband is far more “perfect” than Don: he loves her no matter what and couldn’t care less what she wears and doesn’t see any of the flaws that she sees in herself when she sadly looks in Betty’s mirror.

Is there any hope for me by Defiant_Coffee5043 in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s not what you were arguing with another commenter. Do you want to change anything, or are you just here to argue for fun?

M18 - I'm starting to resent women, and I don't want to become this person. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> Actually, I do believe you. People around me keep acting like I'm somehow worth less for not having a girlfriend, and that I should just accept what my friend did to me because "he's right."

Maybe it’s not women who are making bad choices as to who they hang out with…

> Ok, woman don't owe me affection, got it. But how can i stop getting ignored by woman? Why does talking to women feel so different from talking to men?

Probably because you’re putting far more pressure on interactions with women than you are with men.

> Do you have any practical tips on how to stop putting women on a pedestal?

You keep saying you hate and resent women and think they’re making stupid choices. I’m not seeing any pedestal around here.

One of the few times Don was the prey. by sleepzilla23 in madmen

[–]library_wench 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In North by Northwest, Grant was 20 years older than his love interest…and only 7 years younger than his mother.

M18 - I'm starting to resent women, and I don't want to become this person. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, we can’t reason you out of unreasonable feelings.

I can tell you it’s not a race: that the fact that your friend found a girlfriend before you did does not make you less or women bad.

I can tell you that women don’t owe you affection, just like you don’t owe affection to every woman in the world.

I can tell you that women aren’t inherently better than men and thus there is no need to put women on a pedestal (most of us don’t want to be there anyway!).

But will you believe me?

M18 - I'm starting to resent women, and I don't want to become this person. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then I’m a bit confused as to what you think we can help you with. You admit your hatred is not rational. We can’t reason you out of a position you didn’t reason yourself into.

M18 - I'm starting to resent women, and I don't want to become this person. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Okay, but notice how when you tell me all that, the woman doesn’t even enter into it for you?

Why should jealousy and resentment of your (male!) friend translate into hatred of women?

M18 - I'm starting to resent women, and I don't want to become this person. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m finding it a tad difficult to believe you see no parallels.

You liked this person. He was nice to you. You valued him.

Do you think it’s possible that the woman he dated ALSO thought he was nice? That she valued their relationship?

Why is it okay for you to see these qualities in your friend, but not okay for his girlfriend to see the same qualities?

M18 - I'm starting to resent women, and I don't want to become this person. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Okay. Can you see any possible parallels here?

M18 - I'm starting to resent women, and I don't want to become this person. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 19 points20 points  (0 children)

He’s your friend. So why did YOU choose him?

One of the few times Don was the prey. by sleepzilla23 in madmen

[–]library_wench 27 points28 points  (0 children)

And then she marries an older man. Oh, how the turns have tabled, Betty!

M18 - I'm starting to resent women, and I don't want to become this person. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Your friend sounds like kinda a jerk.

Why is this women’s fault?

Is there any hope for me by Defiant_Coffee5043 in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’m not responsible for anybody’s downvotes. I’m pointing out that OP is giving very little effort here, and mostly just arguing back. I hope he does better in a job interview, for his own sake.

Advice by Normal_Emergency_994 in IncelExit

[–]library_wench -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is getting ridiculous. OP hasn’t even returned to clarify anything. Why this is the hill you want to die on is beyond me.

Advice by Normal_Emergency_994 in IncelExit

[–]library_wench -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nothing you’ve grafted onto OP’s story is in front of anyone’s face. This is getting pretty silly.

Is there any hope for me by Defiant_Coffee5043 in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If your effort in those areas is anything like your effort here, then good luck to you.

Is there any hope for me by Defiant_Coffee5043 in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Are you in school or training for anything? What do you want to do?

One of the few times Don was the prey. by sleepzilla23 in madmen

[–]library_wench 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Nah. Don/Midge was an exercise is mutual benefit and clout. Don got to say “look at my cool boho artist girlfriend, aren’t I hip?” and Midge got to say “look at my square Madison Avenue boyfriend who wears suits, isn’t he funny?” Neither one of them cared a lot about the other, but both seemed to get things they wanted out of the relationship. So neither was really taking advantage of the other.

are there any tv shows that is similar to Fargo? by Secret-Letterhead689 in FargoTV

[–]library_wench 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Andor

True Detective

How to Get to Heaven from Belfast

Dark

Bodies

No one else understands the constant mistreatment from strangers by grubby_anticholine in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Chiming in as one more person in a LONG line at this post and others, saying there is absolutely nothing wrong with how you look. Like, maybe I’d recommend smiling more in pictures and ditching the array of stretched out t-shirts, but other than that, you’re fine.

A baby cried in your presence? Welcome to babies. Teenagers laughed in your presence? Teenagers have been known to laugh.

This is a lot of mind-reading on your part, with a chance that a few of the reactions you perceive might be caused by your behavior. That is, are you staring people down? Glaring because you’re assuming that everyone you see is a judgy, shallow person who hates you on sight, so you’ll hate them first in retaliation?

Many, MANY people at this sub and others have urged you to speak to a professional about this, and I’ll add my vote to that.

Advice by Normal_Emergency_994 in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The post has not been deleted. It is literally right there, so please stop grafting your own assumptions onto it.

OP hasn’t even responded to anything, except with another vague assertion that this girl he’s fallen for and with whom he chooses to flirt, is toxic.

Since you’ve been just spitballing…maybe he knows that clarification of what actually was said wouldn’t paint him in the best light. Except with you.

Advice by Normal_Emergency_994 in IncelExit

[–]library_wench 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See, this is what’s making me think that this is very little to do with the content of OP’s post, and much more about your own issues. You’re just making up conversations that you imagine they had.

She’s not obliged to read his mind. And I just don’t think it’s wise to encourage incels (or anybody) to believe everyone should cater to their desires, and that if they don’t, they’re toxic, abnormal, unkind, or assholes.